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the chief scientist of Congress uap investigation blames the renaissance for our invalid view of everything we look at

i agree with him


"The Renaissance is a period in European history marking the transition from the Middle Ages to modernity and covering the 15th and 16th centuries, characterized by an effort to revive and surpass ideas and achievements of classical antiquity. "
 Quoting: today

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that is our cultural low point in coherence
 Quoting: esy


I went looking for info on when Astrology went from Vedic to modern Western(sidereal vs fixed)

And found more Renaissance mystery...

"The Rise and Fall of Astrology"

"it should be pointed out that the two most popular and well known astronomy texts in the Early Middle Ages, Macrobius’ Commentarii in Somnium Scipionis and Martianus Capella’s De Nuptiis Philologiae et Mercurii were both as much astrology as astronomy."

"in the secular world those rulers on the boarders of the Islamic Empire, in Sicily or Spain, started to adopt the Islamic practice of having court astrologers as political advisors, the evil vizier of Hollywood film, in about the 12th century. This practice spread and by the 15th century nearly every European court had its own mathematicus or astrologus to interpret the stars, amongst other things."

"Astrology entered the world of higher education with humanism at the end of the 14th century. The main driving force was the rise of astro-medicine derived from newly available texts from the Hippocratic corpus. In the 15th century humanist university in Italy and famously in Krakow established chairs for astrology and throughout the next two hundred and fifty years nearly all European universities offered Astrology 101 for medical students taught by the professor for mathematics. Nearly all of the leading Renaissance mathematicians were practicing astrologers, many of them court astrologers. Even Galileo, a practicing astrologer, routinely taught Astro 101 during his tenure as professor for mathematics in Padua."

"Astrology continued to thrive well into the 17th century but went into a steep decline from about 1650. The big question is why? In general histories of science and cultural histories the standard answer, if they deal with the question at all, is that the new heliocentric astronomy killed off astrology as an academic discipline. This is completely false as any superficial examination of the historical facts immediately shows. As I wrote in an earlier post, Robert Westman famously wrote that there were only ten Copernicans in the entire world between the publication of the De revolutionibus in 1543 and the beginning of the 17th century and as a historian of astrology correctly pointed out all ten of them were practicing astrologers. Although Kepler, whose heliocentric system was the one that came to be accepted, rejected traditional horoscope astrology as it was practiced in his own times he believed deeply in celestial influence and wrote extensively about his own attempts to create a reformed astrology. So how are we to explain the loss of status of astrology in the 17th century?"

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Getting reminded of when the 'Precession of the Equinoxes' kept coming up and I think there was a precise point that the precession was sort of abandoned, academically. Maybe the "church" was involved..still looking for that

but I'm in this huge thing I'd like to focus on, back to Queen Tamar/Georgia
 
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