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Dugin, advisor to B. Putin: We are on the brink of World War III, nuclear Armageddon is approaching - Defeat in Kharkiv is of key importance"

 
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Alexander Dugin, adviser to the president of Russia, speaks about World War III in a fiery article, whose remarks are of particular importance as he is considered by many to be the mastermind behind Russia's Vladimir Putin's moves on the geopolitical "chessboard".

A. Dugin reports what Chinese analysts said a few days ago: A compromise between the West and Russia is now almost impossible as the US wants the defeat and disintegration of Russia.

Also Read: PLA Preparations in China: “Preparing for the Worst in Ukraine – US Aims to Defeat and Disintegrate Russia”

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"In recent days there have been significant changes in the balance of power in Ukraine. This needs to be looked at as a whole.

Kiev counterattacks were generally unsuccessful in the Kherson region, but, unfortunately, successful in the Kharkov region. The situation in the Kharkiv area and the forced retreat of the allied forces is the turning point.

Leaving aside the psychological effects and justified feelings of patriots, we should note that in the entire history of SMO (special military operation, as Russia calls the invasion of Ukraine) we have reached the point of no return.

Everyone is now recommending emergency measures to reverse the situation, and some of them are quite rational. We do not claim originality by any means, but will only attempt to summarize the most fundamental points and propositions and place them in the global geopolitical context.

World War III
We are on the brink of a Third World War, into which the West is pushing us obsessively. And this is no longer a fear or an expectation, this is a fact.

Russia is estimated to have over 1,450 ready-to-use nuclear warheads, about 100 more than the US

Russia is at war with the collective West, with NATO and their allies (though not with all of them – Turkey and Greece have their place, and some European countries, notably France and Italy, but not only , they do not want to actively participate in the war with Russia). And yet the threat of a Third World War looms (Rest of article warnews247.gr)
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people don't realize yet

Thread: Russian Ambassador to Washington accused the United States of provoking a clash of nuclear powers
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Who is B. Putin? Vladimir’s brother?
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Who is B. Putin? Vladimir’s brother?
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the name Vladimir starts with B in Russian language
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What poj t don't you yet discern that since 8 December 2020 the nuclear weapons have been incoming?


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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
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Going to be an interesting day at UN tomorrow for sure.

Top of the agenda the act of terrorism committed on Nord Stream 1/2.

The Russians will be delivering a speech on what they know about it.And who they think is responsible.

I think US will counter Russia accusations,By directly blaming Russia for the attack. Calling for Article 5 to be invoked.

Not to be missed this one.

Might be the last UN meeting.
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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
 Quoting: darth


I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.

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Going to be an interesting day at UN tomorrow for sure.

Top of the agenda the act of terrorism committed on Nord Stream 1/2.

The Russians will be delivering a speech on what they know about it.And who they think is responsible.

I think US will counter Russia accusations,By directly blaming Russia for the attack. Calling for Article 5 to be invoked.

Not to be missed this one.

Might be the last UN meeting.
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Jeremiah 5:21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not...
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THIS GUY HAS HIS DAUGHTER MURDERED AND STILL HANGS IN THERE!!!
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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
 Quoting: darth


I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.
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Revbo, with all due respect, I studied nuclear war strategy at the Hudson Trade School for Wayward Boys. Later, I was involved in nuclear strategy while working on Reagan’s Star Wars programs.

Right now, I have the book “Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War” based on THEIR training documents.

This is how the Russians would expect to win a nuclear war:

1. Multiple warheads on each silo to ensure destruction.
2. Destroy all aircraft on the ground and ships in port with SLBMs.
3. Destroy every carrier battle group and sub at sea using nuclear depth charges and torpedoes.
4. Destroy the comm facilities on land with SLBMs to prevent launch codes from being transmitted to subs on patrol that may have survived.
5. AVOID hitting cities. They are hostages.
6. Demand negotiation/surrender or the cities would be hit.

The only counter is a President who will retaliate even if over 90% of our nukes are destroyed in the first strike.

YES, the Russians and Chicoms would be taking a huge risk.

However, in their calculation it might be the only move that they think they have.

IMHO, the probability that Putin will use tactical nukes in Ukraine is over 75%.

How do we prevent escalation?

A more basic question: What is the US national interest in Ukraine that requires us to spend so much blood and treasure while risking annihilation?
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So...everyone here thinks the most destructive weapons are Nukes? U guys are so armchair 1940's and have no idea what's in the classified cabinet.
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So...everyone here thinks the most destructive weapons are Nukes? U guys are so armchair 1940's and have no idea what's in the classified cabinet.
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I worked on a few weapons programs and invented one myself.

However, nothing that I saw rivaled the power of thermonuclear weapons.

I was not in the Black World; I lived next door.
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be careful with this warnews247.gr website.

I've seen some trash there.

Rather surprising "Dugin" doesn't know how many nuclear warheads Russia really has.

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Russian weapon systems include 4,477 deployed and reserve nuclear warheads, with about 1,900 of these being "non-strategic" warheads, otherwise known as tactical nuclear weapons, according to the...
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be careful with this warnews247.gr website.

I've seen some trash there.

Rather surprising "Dugin" doesn't know how many nuclear warheads Russia really has.

7 days ago
Russian weapon systems include 4,477 deployed and reserve nuclear warheads, with about 1,900 of these being "non-strategic" warheads, otherwise known as tactical nuclear weapons, according to the...
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Russians LIE!

I worked on a program over 20 years ago when I was an aerospace engineer.

We were paying them billions to dismantle nukes.

I know this will come as a total shock, but they CHEATED!

I estimate they have over 20,000 warheads.

In that program I learned that US inspectors were not allowed to witness the actual destruction of the nukes. The Russians said that would be “espionage”.

They said we should rely on our Russian employees who all happened to be retired military officers.

Our employees told us, “If we help you too much, we will be executed”.
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Russia has over 12k... the US about 5k... FACT. The US is fucked
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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
 Quoting: darth


I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Revbo, with all due respect, I studied nuclear war strategy at the Hudson Trade School for Wayward Boys. Later, I was involved in nuclear strategy while working on Reagan’s Star Wars programs.

Right now, I have the book “Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War” based on THEIR training documents.

This is how the Russians would expect to win a nuclear war:

1. Multiple warheads on each silo to ensure destruction.
2. Destroy all aircraft on the ground and ships in port with SLBMs.
3. Destroy every carrier battle group and sub at sea using nuclear depth charges and torpedoes.
4. Destroy the comm facilities on land with SLBMs to prevent launch codes from being transmitted to subs on patrol that may have survived.
5. AVOID hitting cities. They are hostages.
6. Demand negotiation/surrender or the cities would be hit.

The only counter is a President who will retaliate even if over 90% of our nukes are destroyed in the first strike.

YES, the Russians and Chicoms would be taking a huge risk.

However, in their calculation it might be the only move that they think they have.

IMHO, the probability that Putin will use tactical nukes in Ukraine is over 75%.

How do we prevent escalation?

A more basic question: What is the US national interest in Ukraine that requires us to spend so much blood and treasure while risking annihilation?
 Quoting: darth


Oh, don't get me wrong, brother. I knew about, and respect, your knowledge on the matter. I am certainly hoping for de-escalation, as well, although like you I don't see it happening, and I agree we have zero business (other than criminal business) in Ukraine. My only point was that the "winner" in a nuclear exchange is gonna suffer greatly in addition to the loser. Not that my point is a new point by any means, but to use Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an example of how a country can win a nuclear war, in my opinion, is sort of apples and oranges when his proposed winner in the next nuclear war has an enemy with comparable weapons where Japan did not.

As to how do we prevent escalation, I think Trump's proposal is a good one. If anyone can get a deal done, it's him, but it will never happen. That leaves us with the odds being slim to none.
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IIT a bunch of uneducated Russians postulate about 80 year old military tech as if it is still the dominant force on Earth.

History will not be kind to these children who rock the boat with the intention to tip it over

Regardless of the stories your Kremlin leaders and alt-news sites sell as truth
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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
 Quoting: darth


I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Revbo, with all due respect, I studied nuclear war strategy at the Hudson Trade School for Wayward Boys. Later, I was involved in nuclear strategy while working on Reagan’s Star Wars programs.

Right now, I have the book “Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War” based on THEIR training documents.

This is how the Russians would expect to win a nuclear war:

1. Multiple warheads on each silo to ensure destruction.
2. Destroy all aircraft on the ground and ships in port with SLBMs.
3. Destroy every carrier battle group and sub at sea using nuclear depth charges and torpedoes.
4. Destroy the comm facilities on land with SLBMs to prevent launch codes from being transmitted to subs on patrol that may have survived.
5. AVOID hitting cities. They are hostages.
6. Demand negotiation/surrender or the cities would be hit.

The only counter is a President who will retaliate even if over 90% of our nukes are destroyed in the first strike.

YES, the Russians and Chicoms would be taking a huge risk.

However, in their calculation it might be the only move that they think they have.

IMHO, the probability that Putin will use tactical nukes in Ukraine is over 75%.

How do we prevent escalation?

A more basic question: What is the US national interest in Ukraine that requires us to spend so much blood and treasure while risking annihilation?
 Quoting: darth


That last question is pretty easy to answer at least:

The US is a dying empire. When empires die they don't go gently into the night, they lash out in a desperate attempt to delay the inevitable.

The US is today a hollowed-out shell that only survives by printing dollars to buy what it needs from the rest of the world, which the rest of the world only accepts because they get bombed to smithereens if they don't.

But now a certain rising power (China) has grown in strength to the point where it feels it can challenge the US. This emboldens other nations to attempt to escape their subservience to the US by aligning themselves with China instead. The dollar is being abandoned by a huge chunk of the world. Which will mean the end of US global dominance and parasitism if nothing is done about it.

And so the US is lashing out.

The war in Ukraine was orchestrated partly to break up the economic ties between Germany and Russia to keep a competing power from arising in Eurasia, and partly with the hope of fracturing Russia and plundering its resources. If successful, China will be next on the chopping block.

TL/DR:
It's all about the dollar.
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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
 Quoting: darth


I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Revbo, with all due respect, I studied nuclear war strategy at the Hudson Trade School for Wayward Boys. Later, I was involved in nuclear strategy while working on Reagan’s Star Wars programs.

Right now, I have the book “Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War” based on THEIR training documents.

This is how the Russians would expect to win a nuclear war:

1. Multiple warheads on each silo to ensure destruction.
2. Destroy all aircraft on the ground and ships in port with SLBMs.
3. Destroy every carrier battle group and sub at sea using nuclear depth charges and torpedoes.
4. Destroy the comm facilities on land with SLBMs to prevent launch codes from being transmitted to subs on patrol that may have survived.
5. AVOID hitting cities. They are hostages.
6. Demand negotiation/surrender or the cities would be hit.

The only counter is a President who will retaliate even if over 90% of our nukes are destroyed in the first strike.

YES, the Russians and Chicoms would be taking a huge risk.

However, in their calculation it might be the only move that they think they have.

IMHO, the probability that Putin will use tactical nukes in Ukraine is over 75%.

How do we prevent escalation?

A more basic question: What is the US national interest in Ukraine that requires us to spend so much blood and treasure while risking annihilation?
 Quoting: darth


Oh, don't get me wrong, brother. I knew about, and respect, your knowledge on the matter. I am certainly hoping for de-escalation, as well, although like you I don't see it happening, and I agree we have zero business (other than criminal business) in Ukraine. My only point was that the "winner" in a nuclear exchange is gonna suffer greatly in addition to the loser. Not that my point is a new point by any means, but to use Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an example of how a country can win a nuclear war, in my opinion, is sort of apples and oranges when his proposed winner in the next nuclear war has an enemy with comparable weapons where Japan did not.

As to how do we prevent escalation, I think Trump's proposal is a good one. If anyone can get a deal done, it's him, but it will never happen. That leaves us with the odds being slim to none.
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Agreed!
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I cannot embed the video on this crappy tablet computer, but there was a GREAT video on utube last night.

Canadian Prepper interviewed David Pyne who has quite the resume regarding war and nuclear weapons.

Pyne is the first guy I have heard that understands that the Russians have far more nukes than we do. He estimates the Chicoms may have up to 4,000 warheads as well.

He concludes that if there is a WWIII, the USA will lose decisively.

Go to utube and search for Canadian Prepper. Look for the video titled “Buckle Up”.

Our leaders in the West are leading us into a deadly conflict with two nuclear armed nations. Apparently, there is no effort in Congress or the Maladministration of Joseph the Usurper to build more nukes.

Even if YOU personally believe that nuclear wars cannot be won, the Russians and CCP do not agree.

Like Pyne said, “Of course you can win a nuclear war. We proved that in 1945”.

It is past time to prep for what is coming.
 Quoting: darth


I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.
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Revbo, with all due respect, I studied nuclear war strategy at the Hudson Trade School for Wayward Boys. Later, I was involved in nuclear strategy while working on Reagan’s Star Wars programs.

Right now, I have the book “Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War” based on THEIR training documents.

This is how the Russians would expect to win a nuclear war:

1. Multiple warheads on each silo to ensure destruction.
2. Destroy all aircraft on the ground and ships in port with SLBMs.
3. Destroy every carrier battle group and sub at sea using nuclear depth charges and torpedoes.
4. Destroy the comm facilities on land with SLBMs to prevent launch codes from being transmitted to subs on patrol that may have survived.
5. AVOID hitting cities. They are hostages.
6. Demand negotiation/surrender or the cities would be hit.

The only counter is a President who will retaliate even if over 90% of our nukes are destroyed in the first strike.

YES, the Russians and Chicoms would be taking a huge risk.

However, in their calculation it might be the only move that they think they have.

IMHO, the probability that Putin will use tactical nukes in Ukraine is over 75%.

How do we prevent escalation?

A more basic question: What is the US national interest in Ukraine that requires us to spend so much blood and treasure while risking annihilation?
 Quoting: darth


That last question is pretty easy to answer at least:

The US is a dying empire. When empires die they don't go gently into the night, they lash out in a desperate attempt to delay the inevitable.

The US is today a hollowed-out shell that only survives by printing dollars to buy what it needs from the rest of the world, which the rest of the world only accepts because they get bombed to smithereens if they don't.

But now a certain rising power (China) has grown in strength to the point where it feels it can challenge the US. This emboldens other nations to attempt to escape their subservience to the US by aligning themselves with China instead. The dollar is being abandoned by a huge chunk of the world. Which will mean the end of US global dominance and parasitism if nothing is done about it.

And so the US is lashing out.

The war in Ukraine was orchestrated partly to break up the economic ties between Germany and Russia to keep a competing power from arising in Eurasia, and partly with the hope of fracturing Russia and plundering its resources. If successful, China will be next on the chopping block.

TL/DR:
It's all about the dollar.
 Quoting: Lazy Monk


Lazy, I have a different opinion.

Ukraine is important to politicians and bureaucrats because it is one of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

I think it is all about the kickbacks.

What percent of the money we send to the Ukies is being skimmed off by pols?

Why did pols, e.g., Pelosi, go to a WAR ZONE to visit?

IMHO, so that they could arrange their payoff and launder it without incriminating emails and phone calls.

Ukraine is also a primary source for the slave trade in prostitutes. A beautiful child is worth more than a stack of gold.

It is nauseating that our country has become so corrupt.

Lastly, there are stupid pols in DC who think they will profit from WWIII by being able to attack political opponents as “Russian assets”. Just look at what they just did to Tulsi Gabbard.

They also think that a war will absolve them of the blame for the coming inflationary collapse.

They are risking destruction of modern civilization for profit.
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IIT a bunch of uneducated Russians postulate about 80 year old military tech as if it is still the dominant force on Earth.

History will not be kind to these children who rock the boat with the intention to tip it over

Regardless of the stories your Kremlin leaders and alt-news sites sell as truth
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And why don't you tell us what the dominate power is?

And prove it really exists.
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I agree with most of that, but 1945 was a special situation where the recipient of the bombs had no answer to them other than surrender, more comparable to Europeans having guns and Indians having bows and arrows than anything going on now. Guaranteed, if the Japanese had had nukes, Honolulu and San Francisco would have looked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, China and Russia have more combined nukes than we do, but we have plenty to get the job done. They would certainly destroy us in a nuclear war, but it would be the most pyrrhic victory (if it even would be a victory) in the history of the world.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Revbo, with all due respect, I studied nuclear war strategy at the Hudson Trade School for Wayward Boys. Later, I was involved in nuclear strategy while working on Reagan’s Star Wars programs.

Right now, I have the book “Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War” based on THEIR training documents.

This is how the Russians would expect to win a nuclear war:

1. Multiple warheads on each silo to ensure destruction.
2. Destroy all aircraft on the ground and ships in port with SLBMs.
3. Destroy every carrier battle group and sub at sea using nuclear depth charges and torpedoes.
4. Destroy the comm facilities on land with SLBMs to prevent launch codes from being transmitted to subs on patrol that may have survived.
5. AVOID hitting cities. They are hostages.
6. Demand negotiation/surrender or the cities would be hit.

The only counter is a President who will retaliate even if over 90% of our nukes are destroyed in the first strike.

YES, the Russians and Chicoms would be taking a huge risk.

However, in their calculation it might be the only move that they think they have.

IMHO, the probability that Putin will use tactical nukes in Ukraine is over 75%.

How do we prevent escalation?

A more basic question: What is the US national interest in Ukraine that requires us to spend so much blood and treasure while risking annihilation?
 Quoting: darth


That last question is pretty easy to answer at least:

The US is a dying empire. When empires die they don't go gently into the night, they lash out in a desperate attempt to delay the inevitable.

The US is today a hollowed-out shell that only survives by printing dollars to buy what it needs from the rest of the world, which the rest of the world only accepts because they get bombed to smithereens if they don't.

But now a certain rising power (China) has grown in strength to the point where it feels it can challenge the US. This emboldens other nations to attempt to escape their subservience to the US by aligning themselves with China instead. The dollar is being abandoned by a huge chunk of the world. Which will mean the end of US global dominance and parasitism if nothing is done about it.

And so the US is lashing out.

The war in Ukraine was orchestrated partly to break up the economic ties between Germany and Russia to keep a competing power from arising in Eurasia, and partly with the hope of fracturing Russia and plundering its resources. If successful, China will be next on the chopping block.

TL/DR:
It's all about the dollar.
 Quoting: Lazy Monk


Lazy, I have a different opinion.

Ukraine is important to politicians and bureaucrats because it is one of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

I think it is all about the kickbacks.

What percent of the money we send to the Ukies is being skimmed off by pols?

Why did pols, e.g., Pelosi, go to a WAR ZONE to visit?

IMHO, so that they could arrange their payoff and launder it without incriminating emails and phone calls.

Ukraine is also a primary source for the slave trade in prostitutes. A beautiful child is worth more than a stack of gold.

It is nauseating that our country has become so corrupt.

Lastly, there are stupid pols in DC who think they will profit from WWIII by being able to attack political opponents as “Russian assets”. Just look at what they just did to Tulsi Gabbard.

They also think that a war will absolve them of the blame for the coming inflationary collapse.

They are risking destruction of modern civilization for profit.
 Quoting: darth


All of that is also true.

Human trafficking is sadly a thing on this godforsaken planet, and where do you get those really attractive blonde and blue-eyed women and children? Ukraine!

Then there's also the fact a certain people wish to make Israel 2.0 out of Ukraine. The current occupants need to be dispersed first.

On one level, the US is fighting to maintain world dominance, as I said. On one level it's just a bunch of crooks protecting their filthy criminal endeavors, as you said.

And on yet another level it's all a sham, with the same secret elites pulling the strings of puppets on both sides, causing the war for depopulation and destruction, to prepare for whatever it is they wish to build on the ruins.

Many agendas on many levels. Maybe there's even aliens/demons/AI at the root of it all. It almost seems like the evil we're witnessing is beyond human capacity at times...
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This planet is too small for Armageddon.

And WWIII shall last 40 years which had been planned again in October 1989.

For America started WWIII as they had started WWI and WWII with the fugitives of Israel.

[smiles sweetly]

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings from the rising of the sun.

I looked out of the dragon's mouth [both G H.W 'King Akhenaten, Nebuchadnezzar, Herod & Uzziah a.k.a Azazel' Bush and G W 'King Belshazzar, Bel & Antipas Herod' Bush] and the mouth of the beast [Bill 'King Philip Herod, Marc Antony & Beast' Clinton] and the mouth of the false prophet [Obama 'Tutankhamun CIA asset eugenics dog of war' Barack] out three unclean spirits [Joe 'King Joash, Jeroboam & Azaz a.k.a Semyaza' Biden, Hillary 'Queen Jezebel, Herodia & Rahab' Clinton and D J 'King Cyrus, Rehoboam, Henry VIII & Ahaz a.k.a Hananiah' Trump] in the manner of frogs [Boris 'Benjamin Franklin, Cardinal Wosely & Zaccheus' Johnson, Emmanuel 'Saul & Vlad Tepe' Macron and Pope 'Archer, Paul & Cephas a.k.a Peter the swarthy' Francis in the manner of French frogs over the pond].

They are the spirits of devils [ZWO Derp States fugitives of Israel], working miracles [fake news media], which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

I [Elijah the prophet] come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

He [Lord Jesus] gathered them together into a place called in [email protected], Armageddon. - Revelation 16:12-16





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