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Trump Nat Sec Advisor HR McMaster:Russian Army On Brink of Collapse After Defeat in Lyman

 
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The loss in Lyman, which was used as a transportation hub amid Russia's invasion, has been viewed as a major setback for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who just a day before troops withdrew from the city had illegally annexed four regions of Ukraine including Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk, the latter in which Lyman is located.


On Saturday, the Ukrainian army forced Russian troops to retreat from the city after surrounding up to 5,000 troops in the strategic location. The Russian Defense Ministry later confirmed that troops "retreated to more advantageous lines."
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Appearing on CBS's Face the Nation, host Margaret Brennan asked McMaster about Ukraine's recent victory.

"What do you see happening, and what do you forecast is Vladimir Putin's next move?" Brennan asked.

McMaster said he believes that Saturday's success for Ukraine "could turn into a cascading series of defeats of Russian forces," and added that "what we might be at here is really at the precipice of really the collapse of the Russian army in Ukraine, a moral collapse. I think they must really be at a breaking point."

He continued: "If you look at just the numbers of casualties, the vast area that they're trying to defend, and now, of course, Russia is trying to mobilize conscripts and send them to the front untrained. And I think it's very important to also understand that these forces that are in full retreat, now out of Lyman, were really the first round of mobilization."

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They want putin to use nukes.
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Putin will carpet bomb Kiev before hes finished.

Don't be foolish to think Ukraine will win
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Putin will carpet bomb Kiev before hes finished.

Don't be foolish to think Ukraine will win
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don't be foolish enough to think that russia will win!
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Putin will carpet bomb Kiev before hes finished.

Don't be foolish to think Ukraine will win
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don't be foolish enough to think that russia will win!
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They have already won ,look at the map!
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this is so dumb if true, we are defeating a nuclear power on their border because why again?
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Putin will carpet bomb Kiev before hes finished.

Don't be foolish to think Ukraine will win
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don't be foolish enough to think that russia will win!
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Let's use critical thinking here

Russia has nukes

Ukraine isn't even allowed to join NATO lol


This doesn't end well
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this is so dumb if true, we are defeating a nuclear power on their border because why again?
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to insure the territorial integrity and democracy of an independent ally and repel totalitarian aggression

CLEAR ENOUGH???
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Putin will carpet bomb Kiev before hes finished.

Don't be foolish to think Ukraine will win
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81410711


don't be foolish enough to think that russia will win!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


They have already won ,look at the map!
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LOOK AT THE STATE OF THEIR RETREATING FORCES!
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McMasters is a know nothing piece of shit working for the MIC.

"Send anther $40 billion, Zelensky's got them on the ropes!"
That's all that this is.
He should be hanged for treason.
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Putin will carpet bomb Kiev before hes finished.

Don't be foolish to think Ukraine will win
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81410711


don't be foolish enough to think that russia will win!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


They have already won ,look at the map!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81034120



LOOK AT THE STATE OF THEIR RETREATING FORCES!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


They just annexed a quarter of the country, what are you talking about?
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don't be foolish enough to think that russia will win!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


They have already won ,look at the map!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81034120



LOOK AT THE STATE OF THEIR RETREATING FORCES!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


They just annexed a quarter of the country, what are you talking about?
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THEY ARE A DISORGANIZED MOB RETREATING FROM OCCUPIED TERRITORY!

SPENT A LOT OF TIME COMMANDING TROOPS DIDN'T YOU?
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The loss in Lyman, which was used as a transportation hub amid Russia's invasion, has been viewed as a major setback for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who just a day before troops withdrew from the city had illegally annexed four regions of Ukraine including Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk, the latter in which Lyman is located.


On Saturday, the Ukrainian army forced Russian troops to retreat from the city after surrounding up to 5,000 troops in the strategic location. The Russian Defense Ministry later confirmed that troops "retreated to more advantageous lines."
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Appearing on CBS's Face the Nation, host Margaret Brennan asked McMaster about Ukraine's recent victory.

"What do you see happening, and what do you forecast is Vladimir Putin's next move?" Brennan asked.

McMaster said he believes that Saturday's success for Ukraine "could turn into a cascading series of defeats of Russian forces," and added that "what we might be at here is really at the precipice of really the collapse of the Russian army in Ukraine, a moral collapse. I think they must really be at a breaking point."

He continued: "If you look at just the numbers of casualties, the vast area that they're trying to defend, and now, of course, Russia is trying to mobilize conscripts and send them to the front untrained. And I think it's very important to also understand that these forces that are in full retreat, now out of Lyman, were really the first round of mobilization."

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But locals offered another explanation: that Russian forces had left the city on Friday in an orderly fashion.

“They got on their tanks, and drove out,” said Tanya, riding her bicycle back to the bomb shelter, where she still spends the nights with 15 others.

Read the full article for context.

Basically Ukraine claimed that they destroyed/killed the majority of the Russians in Lyman, but CNN found no evidence of that when they arrive 30 minutes after Z-dog said it was cleared. Locals said that the Russians left the city on Friday in an orderly fashion (Putin also said that he redeployed them also). So, it looks like Ukraine just occupied an empty and destroyed city (no water/power).

I think the Ukrainians are being set up, they soon will be occupying (invaders) Russian territory if they stay there or advance, then they may be toast when the annexation is complete.
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They have already won ,look at the map!
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LOOK AT THE STATE OF THEIR RETREATING FORCES!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


They just annexed a quarter of the country, what are you talking about?
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THEY ARE A DISORGANIZED MOB RETREATING FROM OCCUPIED TERRITORY!

SPENT A LOT OF TIME COMMANDING TROOPS DIDN'T YOU?
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


Not as much time as you have spent pushing propaganda.
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If and when this happens, that’s all she wrote.


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this is so dumb if true, we are defeating a nuclear power on their border because why again?
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to insure the territorial integrity and democracy of an independent ally and repel totalitarian aggression

CLEAR ENOUGH???

 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


Why would I want NATO/WEF to win?

Every single one of the woke ideologies from the globalists

(LGBT, gender neutrality, climate change, covid fear, masks that don’t allow you to breathe, experimental vaccines risking declining fertility, vaccine mandates risking labor shortages, anti-2A, banning fertilizers, broke ESG transitions that lead to commodity scarcity and poverty, cancel culture, deplatforming/demonetizing, defunding the police, stand with Ukraine, Taiwan / pro war, pro-abortion until the very last second… etc) have one thing in common.

They all help reduce the size of the population, without exception.

These facts are impossible to deny… a logical person cannot argue against them. One day everyone will understand.
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The loss in Lyman, which was used as a transportation hub amid Russia's invasion, has been viewed as a major setback for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who just a day before troops withdrew from the city had illegally annexed four regions of Ukraine including Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk, the latter in which Lyman is located.


On Saturday, the Ukrainian army forced Russian troops to retreat from the city after surrounding up to 5,000 troops in the strategic location. The Russian Defense Ministry later confirmed that troops "retreated to more advantageous lines."
t
Appearing on CBS's Face the Nation, host Margaret Brennan asked McMaster about Ukraine's recent victory.

"What do you see happening, and what do you forecast is Vladimir Putin's next move?" Brennan asked.

McMaster said he believes that Saturday's success for Ukraine "could turn into a cascading series of defeats of Russian forces," and added that "what we might be at here is really at the precipice of really the collapse of the Russian army in Ukraine, a moral collapse. I think they must really be at a breaking point."

He continued: "If you look at just the numbers of casualties, the vast area that they're trying to defend, and now, of course, Russia is trying to mobilize conscripts and send them to the front untrained. And I think it's very important to also understand that these forces that are in full retreat, now out of Lyman, were really the first round of mobilization."

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But locals offered another explanation: that Russian forces had left the city on Friday in an orderly fashion.

“They got on their tanks, and drove out,” said Tanya, riding her bicycle back to the bomb shelter, where she still spends the nights with 15 others.

Read the full article for context.

Basically Ukraine claimed that they destroyed/killed the majority of the Russians in Lyman, but CNN found no evidence of that when they arrive 30 minutes after Z-dog said it was cleared. Locals said that the Russians left the city on Friday in an orderly fashion (Putin also said that he redeployed them also). So, it looks like Ukraine just occupied an empty and destroyed city (no water/power).

I think the Ukrainians are being set up, they soon will be occupying (invaders) Russian territory if they stay there or advance, then they may be toast when the annexation is complete.

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LET ME SIMPLIFY IT FOR YOU:


THEY FLED!
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this is so dumb if true, we are defeating a nuclear power on their border because why again?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80598349


to insure the territorial integrity and democracy of an independent ally and repel totalitarian aggression

CLEAR ENOUGH???

 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


Why would I want NATO/WEF to win?

Every single one of the woke ideologies from the globalists

(LGBT, gender neutrality, climate change, covid fear, masks that don’t allow you to breathe, experimental vaccines risking declining fertility, vaccine mandates risking labor shortages, anti-2A, banning fertilizers, broke ESG transitions that lead to commodity scarcity and poverty, cancel culture, deplatforming/demonetizing, defunding the police, stand with Ukraine, Taiwan / pro war, pro-abortion until the very last second… etc) have one thing in common.

They all help reduce the size of the population, without exception.

These facts are impossible to deny… a logical person cannot argue against them. One day everyone will understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83809054


IF YOU CRITICISED RUSSIA LIKE THIS YOU WOULD BE IN PRISON.

WAKE UP!
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If and when this happens, that’s all she wrote.



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You Klaus Schwab shills were here last year defending the forced clot shots and booster and encouraging the government to beat up vaxx resistor, deny them work and travel and if they didn't comply, put them in death camps.

Now you are here doing it all again supporting Klaus Schwab and more death.

We don't forget government propaganda that killed family and friends.

Motherfucker.

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this is so dumb if true, we are defeating a nuclear power on their border because why again?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80598349


to insure the territorial integrity and democracy of an independent ally and repel totalitarian aggression

CLEAR ENOUGH???

 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


Why would I want NATO/WEF to win?

Every single one of the woke ideologies from the globalists

(LGBT, gender neutrality, climate change, covid fear, masks that don’t allow you to breathe, experimental vaccines risking declining fertility, vaccine mandates risking labor shortages, anti-2A, banning fertilizers, broke ESG transitions that lead to commodity scarcity and poverty, cancel culture, deplatforming/demonetizing, defunding the police, stand with Ukraine, Taiwan / pro war, pro-abortion until the very last second… etc) have one thing in common.

They all help reduce the size of the population, without exception.

These facts are impossible to deny… a logical person cannot argue against them. One day everyone will understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83809054


IF YOU CRITICISED RUSSIA LIKE THIS YOU WOULD BE IN PRISON.

WAKE UP!
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How many innocent patriots are in jail right now without bail for Jan 6th?

You can fight for Kazarian bankers. I won't.
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to insure the territorial integrity and democracy of an independent ally and repel totalitarian aggression

CLEAR ENOUGH???

 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


Why would I want NATO/WEF to win?

Every single one of the woke ideologies from the globalists

(LGBT, gender neutrality, climate change, covid fear, masks that don’t allow you to breathe, experimental vaccines risking declining fertility, vaccine mandates risking labor shortages, anti-2A, banning fertilizers, broke ESG transitions that lead to commodity scarcity and poverty, cancel culture, deplatforming/demonetizing, defunding the police, stand with Ukraine, Taiwan / pro war, pro-abortion until the very last second… etc) have one thing in common.

They all help reduce the size of the population, without exception.

These facts are impossible to deny… a logical person cannot argue against them. One day everyone will understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83809054


IF YOU CRITICISED RUSSIA LIKE THIS YOU WOULD BE IN PRISON.

WAKE UP!
 Quoting: Captain KC Jones


How many innocent patriots are in jail right now without bail for Jan 6th?

You can fight for Kazarian bankers. I won't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83809054


Imagine a mob attacking and breaking into the Kremlin while the Duma was in session

Wonder what would happen to rioters and insurrectionists in Russia?
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The area is in the Donetsk Oblast and has been declared Russia proper, not some Ukrainian region supported by Russia anymore. I think the commanders of the DPR forces (not Russian regulars) who held the place know this and pulled their dudes back, theres no need for them to face the 4 to 1 odds and die for no reason. They can pull back knowing the cavalry will come. Russia has no choice now but to take it back and they will. If these areas are now "Russia" they can declare war, no more special military operation nonsense.

For Ukraine, who is on their 6th wave of mobilization and now forcing women into the military, to hold this land against Russia who now considers this a city in Russia, who is just starting their first and its partial, it will take WW3 and NATO holding it for them.
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The loss in Lyman, which was used as a transportation hub amid Russia's invasion, has been viewed as a major setback for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who just a day before troops withdrew from the city had illegally annexed four regions of Ukraine including Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk, the latter in which Lyman is located.


On Saturday, the Ukrainian army forced Russian troops to retreat from the city after surrounding up to 5,000 troops in the strategic location. The Russian Defense Ministry later confirmed that troops "retreated to more advantageous lines."
t
Appearing on CBS's Face the Nation, host Margaret Brennan asked McMaster about Ukraine's recent victory.

"What do you see happening, and what do you forecast is Vladimir Putin's next move?" Brennan asked.

McMaster said he believes that Saturday's success for Ukraine "could turn into a cascading series of defeats of Russian forces," and added that "what we might be at here is really at the precipice of really the collapse of the Russian army in Ukraine, a moral collapse. I think they must really be at a breaking point."

He continued: "If you look at just the numbers of casualties, the vast area that they're trying to defend, and now, of course, Russia is trying to mobilize conscripts and send them to the front untrained. And I think it's very important to also understand that these forces that are in full retreat, now out of Lyman, were really the first round of mobilization."

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But locals offered another explanation: that Russian forces had left the city on Friday in an orderly fashion.

“They got on their tanks, and drove out,” said Tanya, riding her bicycle back to the bomb shelter, where she still spends the nights with 15 others.

Read the full article for context.

Basically Ukraine claimed that they destroyed/killed the majority of the Russians in Lyman, but CNN found no evidence of that when they arrive 30 minutes after Z-dog said it was cleared. Locals said that the Russians left the city on Friday in an orderly fashion (Putin also said that he redeployed them also). So, it looks like Ukraine just occupied an empty and destroyed city (no water/power).

I think the Ukrainians are being set up, they soon will be occupying (invaders) Russian territory if they stay there or advance, then they may be toast when the annexation is complete.

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LET ME SIMPLIFY IT FOR YOU:


THEY FLED!

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Perhaps. Perhaps not. I sure and fuck don't trust pro Ukrainian propaganda.

Why would I believe anyone who assumes

1) that the 2020 presidential election was fair, and not stolen

2) that the January 6th so called insurrection was real and not a planned false flag.

3) further, that the patriots still suffering in a Federal gulag need to be there.

You negation snake assholes shouldn't even be in the conversation.

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These deep state morons have been saying this since three weeks into the war

lol



People still listen to these idiots?
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The area is in the Donetsk Oblast and has been declared Russia proper, not some Ukrainian region supported by Russia anymore. I think the commanders of the DPR forces (not Russian regulars) who held the place know this and pulled their dudes back, theres no need for them to face the 4 to 1 odds and die for no reason. They can pull back knowing the cavalry will come. Russia has no choice now but to take it back and they will. If these areas are now "Russia" they can declare war, no more special military operation nonsense.

For Ukraine, who is on their 6th wave of mobilization and now forcing women into the military, to hold this land against Russia who now considers this a city in Russia, who is just starting their first and its partial, it will take WW3 and NATO holding it for them.
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It’s only Russia on a piece of paper that Putin signed.
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Russia is fucked.

Well, we're all fucked.

But we're not fucked like Russia.





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