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Will the Rapture, or Harpazo, happen before or after the Great Tribulation? The Ultimate answer given! | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36175732  United States01/21/2023 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Will the Rapture, or Harpazo, happen before or after the Great Tribulation? The Ultimate answer given! :judethe: In the end you either believe the plain truth as it is written in the Bible, or you go your own way. Quoting: Judethz 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Having trouble following your own advice about following His word? What part of Him saying over and over in the bible that he is coming once more and that it will be on the last day do you not understand? Just listen to your own babble, youve already went your way!  Rapturetards be like you are a believer, but we are the [true believers].  |
Achduke7  User ID: 83994051 United States01/21/2023 04:00 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Will the Rapture, or Harpazo, happen before or after the Great Tribulation? The Ultimate answer given! ... Quoting: Achduke7 No, Zechariah does not say these people are believers. That is your speculation. Zechariah also leaves room for those that do not follow, They get no rain. Just the same these peoples nations attacked Israel during the tribulation. They were not saints. If they were believers that do follow Christ they would have been caught away in the resurrection that happens before the wrath of God. Zec 14:17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. It's not speculation, everything that offends is gathered out of the millennium kingdom, all the heathen are treaded. Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity. The resurrection is NOT at the time you are saying. The left over people from Zechariah 14:16 are part of the wheat and the tares. All the heathen are gathered into the winepress and treaded, which leaves only the believers "the wheat" left. Joel tells us of the judgement of the heathen at the 2nd coming. The sentence is given: Joel 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. The Winepress executes the sentence: Joel 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Nonbelievers come from future offspring. How do you think any heathen avoid the winepress and continue into the millennium? You think every non-believer will leave their nations and show up to fight in Israel including wives and Children, etc. It is speculation because it is not clear. As for the resurrection. Rev 11:11-12 is the resurrection as it shows the 2 witnesses are resurrected and then caught up to heaven in a cloud just before the wrath of God. Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. No, I did not say or suggest that. The attackers were killed in Zechariah 14:12. The unbelievers are treaded in the winepress when separated from the wheat. Once Israel as a nation repents and the Lord returns, it is too late to get saved. Are you suggesting that women and children are immune to the judgement of the winepress? Why would they be spared? Were women and children spared in the judgement of the flood in Noah's day? There is no proof that unbelievers continue into the millennium, the 1st generation will be believers. The rebels come from their offspring. The proof is in Zechariah 14. There is nothing that says they are believers. The non-believers are not defeated until God's Wrath which is after the tribulation. After the tribulation and before the wrath is the resurrection. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 01/21/2023 04:42 PM Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80183121 United States01/21/2023 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Will the Rapture, or Harpazo, happen before or after the Great Tribulation? The Ultimate answer given! Listen, as we speak there is people getting messages and visions of what’s happening. I can’t tell you if these people are the chosen ones, but the messages are to prepare for what’s to come not to be prepared to be raptured or hope of it. Noah was told to prepare and we are in a similar situation. Remember this words Noah wasn’t raptured, no one was or will. Just prepare |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85138491 United States01/21/2023 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Will the Rapture, or Harpazo, happen before or after the Great Tribulation? The Ultimate answer given! Listen, as we speak there is people getting messages and visions of what’s happening. I can’t tell you if these people are the chosen ones, but the messages are to prepare for what’s to come not to be prepared to be raptured or hope of it. Noah was told to prepare and we are in a similar situation. Remember this words Noah wasn’t raptured, no one was or will. Just prepare Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80183121  Live in a state of readiness like the Good Virgins. |
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| Base12 User ID: 78222180 United States01/21/2023 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Will the Rapture, or Harpazo, happen before or after the Great Tribulation? The Ultimate answer given! The millennium is the transition period from the old to the new. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85085494 Sin and death still exists in the millennium, one reason we know this is because of the rebellion and destruction of the rebels at the end of it. The believers that come out of tribulation and make it into the millennium will have long lives, plenty of offspring will be had over a 1000 years. Not all offspring will choose to be believing sheep, and they too will of course have offspring. Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. Isaiah 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. What makes you think any heathen will avoid the winepress and continue into the millennial kingdom? You misinterpreted the verses. The word 'for' should be understood as to mean 'otherwise'... Isaiah 65:20 "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for [otherwise] the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." What the above verse is teaching is that all of the Saved in the New Heavens and New Earth will all be the same age in their Glorified Bodies... OTHERWISE... there will be fetuses that would have to be cared for basically, forever. Old people would stay in their old decrepit bodies for eternity. The verse is highlighting the silliness of being in bodies that never age while being too old or young to be able to do anything. Many have twisted that verse to make it sound like some weird 'transition period' between now and the New Heavens and new Earth. They then (usually) use that argument to jockey for positions of Power during this period. They make it all about Israel being some NWO government. It reeks of agenda. Visit my website... [link to www.mostholyplace.com] |
