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Revelation 20 shows us the 'rapture' - the First Resurredtion - doesn't happen until Satan has been bound and tossed into the 'bottomless pie'.

This is just before Christ's Millenial Reign.

You should also notice that the first 'Judgement' happens - which would be the 'rewards' for the Believers.

Revelation 20

1 And I saw an angel come down from
heaven, having the key of the bottomless
pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that
old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit,

and shut him up, and set a seal upon
him,
that he should deceive the nations
no more, till the thousand years should
be fulfilled: and after that he must be
loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon
them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished.

This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part
in the first resurrection:
on such the sec-
ond death hath no power, but they shall
be priests of God and of Christ, and shall
reign with him a thousand years.



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Paul's description....

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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...Matches what Jesus says....

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the clans of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


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Totally get it
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Tribulation isn't Wrath, and the 'End Times' Tribulation isn't Wrath either.

Think about it.

For the last 2000 years, Christians have died from...

1. Violent persecution

2. Violent storms

3. Wars

4. Famine

5. Plagues

6. Earthquakes

7. Car accidents, diseases, tainted water etc...

NONE of these things were God's 'wrath' - yet they are all the same types of things in the first few Seals in Revelation.

Tribulation isn't wrath folks.

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Totally get it
 Quoting: hwy_ho1

I was working on a 'rebutal' of Pre-Trib talking points last night - and 'First Resurrection' came up in my mind.

I woke up this morning and had the same 'feeling' - so I finally went and took a closer look.

It doesn't get any more straight-forward than what the sequence of scripture describes.

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...Matches what Jesus says....

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the clans of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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This is the First Resurrection / rapture.

31 And he shall send his angels
with a great sound of a trumpet, and

they shall gather together his elect
from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.


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And Jesus brings His 'reward' to Earth.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come

in the glory of his Father
with his angels;

and then he shall reward every man according to his works.



Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly;

and my reward is with me,

to give every man according as his work shall be.


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If this number, an innumerable number, is restricted to only those who are saved during the Great Tribulation, then it is NOT an innumerable number.

It would be a known number. And not that large either.

No, these Saints, an innumerable number, are the resurrected Saints who have placed their faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ down through history. They have resurrected bodies now (they are clothed and have palms in their hands).

They came out of Great Tribulation because that is when the Rapture occurs .. at the end of the Great Tribulation and immediately before God's Wrath is poured out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Revelation 6 shows that the 'judgement' - which happens BEFORE the 'Wrath' - hasn't happened yet.

And those under the altar have been there for a long time - as they are told to 'wait until'....and they are waiting for those FROM the Great Tribulation.

Revelation 6

10 And they cried with a loud voice,
saying, How long, O Lord, holy and
true, dost thou not judge and avenge our
blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto
every one of them; and it was said unto
them, that they should rest yet for a little

season, until their fellowservants also and
their brethren, that should be killed
as
they were, should be fulfilled.
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The Tribulation in its entirety is God’s wrath...
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Says WHO? No scripture states such.

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Show us the verse that says the 'church' does NOT go through 'tribulation'.

You can't - it doesn't exist.

And....looky here....straight from Paul...

...'we must endure MUCH Tribulation'.

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Acts 14

19 And there came thither certain J-Hebrews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

20 Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.

21 And when they had preached the gospel

to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,

22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must

through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.


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Jesus and the Apostles tell readers to 'endure until the end'.

Thread: Fear Not - Endure Until the End - Post-Trib Rapture - KJV Bible Study

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Thread: The Great Tribulation is Not Wrath - Rapture End Times - KJV Bible Study

1. According to Revelation 6, the first 5 Seals are not "judgements" / wrath.

Revelation 6:9 - 10

9 And when he had opened the fifth
seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

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2. In Revelation 7, after the 6th Seal has been opened, we see an angel descend with the 'seal of God', which will be used to mark the foreheads of the 144,000 from the 12 tri-***clans***-bes.

It's easy to argue that these are Messianic Believers, and they need to be 'sealed' BEFORE Wrath can begin.


Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

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3. Wrath is mentioned as part of the 6th Seal in Revelation 6.

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Lall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

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All the verses below empathize being strong 'to the end'.

The phrase "to the end" occurs 8 times in 8 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

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Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Romans 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

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The phrase "unto the end" occurs 9 times in 9 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

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Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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The phrase "end of" occurs 19 times in 19 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

Matthew 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Hebrews 6:16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

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"coming of the Lord" occurs 3 times in 3 verses in the KJV.

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1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

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"in the clouds" occurs 7 times in 7 verses in the KJV.

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Job 37:21 And now men see not the bright light which is in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them.

Psalm 68:34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency is over Israel, and his strength is in the clouds.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the clantribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

"with the clouds"

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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OP. Stop trying to interpret scripture. Your interpretation is blasphemous and wrong.
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OP. Stop trying to interpret scripture. Your interpretation is blasphemous and wrong.
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Prove it. You can't.

Much of scripture is straight-forward.

Not some 'secret' that has to be explained by 'priests'.

You'd have us believe that Father God doesn't want Truth to be easily understood by those who are seeking Him.

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Revelation 20 shows us the 'rapture' - the First Resurredtion - doesn't happen until Satan has been bound and tossed into the 'bottomless pie'.

This is just before Christ's Millenial Reign.


You need to reconcile that more closely with MAT Ch 24.
Which places the Rapture just after the opeming of the sixth seal, Chapter 7, which is mid Trib.
Which saves us from the wrath of the Trumpet Judgements.

The Rapture takes up the living and the dead.
You are looking at the First Resurection of the Dead (and only the righteous dead, coming out of the Tribulation), which comes only after the Tribulation ends.
They inherit the millenial kingdom.
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You need to reconcile that more closely with MAT Ch 24.
Which places the Rapture just after the opeming of the sixth seal, Chapter 7, which is mid Trib.
Which saves us from the wrath of the Trumpet Judgements.

The Rapture takes up the living and the dead.
You are looking at the First Resurection of the Dead (and only the righteous dead, coming out of the Tribulation), which comes only after the Tribulation ends.
They inherit the millenial kingdom.
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Why the Sixth Seal?

Vials of Wrath happen after the Seventh Trumpet

Thread: The Seven Vials of 'Wrath' - Revelation 16 - KJV Bible Study

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It happened
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It happened
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Jesus rose and the dead were seen walking through the streets... 70 ad came around and most of revelation happened then..
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Impossible for the Rapture to happen when the OP suggests, scripturally impossible.


But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
Matthew 24:37-41


What will life be like per scripture during Christ’s Second Coming or when Satan is bound as OP suggests?

It will not be people eating and drinking, having fun, marrying and giving in marriage. No, that’s how life is today, right now at this very moment and now is the season.*** I would venture close to 98% or more of the 8 billion living on this earth presently aren’t expecting or anticipating a rapture (minus the so-called “elite” who knows it’s coming) hence Jesus’ comparison.

At the time OP suggests for a Rapture, the earth will be unrecognizable as far as landscape and nearly inhabitable and most every person on earth left will have the mark and be under mind-control. This will not be a time of “marrying and drinking and eating and having fun” etc. Christ’s bride is gone before the Rapture even begins hence why they’re never mentioned after Ch.4 in Revelation through Ch. 20 when the 7-year Tribulation is explained.

The Rapture can happen at any moment now, even today, at any second, we’re in the season right now. Don’t be deceived and don’t grow lax in your walk with Christ. This is why Jesus tells us to pray to be counted worthy and escape, escape meaning escape the Tribulation.
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OP. Stop trying to interpret scripture. Your interpretation is blasphemous and wrong.
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youknow

"They are altogether foolish [to intermingled] and senseless [to sense their own spirit]; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of [Elijah the prophet] visitation they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18 Vulgate Bible
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