Proving The Existence Of God to an Atheist

I'm either an atheist or a pantheist and everything is god. Really... What's the difference? I guess it's kind of like the difference between half full and half empty. You can call shit a rose but that still doesn't make it any better if you step in it.

If we have been "created", developed and bred by alien gods than we must ourselves be gods over all of our creations; from fields of wheat to nano particles to our pets and livestock.

It's been said before. If there is a god then who created him? And who created whoever created god? Who created alah? Who created the great archetect of the universe? I think it just depends on who you ask... Or who is doing the asking and... How big of a stick they are carrying?

No, I`m not saying he should sell his beliefs out. He is too young yet to know what his beliefs are for sure. That takes time to develope. I think at this stage he should be a little more cautious about who he tells. Should he tell on the college application he is atheist and not get a scholorship or not even get into the school This is the midwest and things are conservative here. Be who you are but be sure you know who you are before you declare it to the world.

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According to the Quran, Allah tells us that He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and that nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us that He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway. He calls Himself by a number of names and three of them are:
A) The First - (Al-Awal)
B) The Last - (Al Akhir)
C) The Eternal, who is sought after by His creation, while He has no need from them at all. (As-Samad)

He always has existed and He never was created, as He is not like His creation, nor similar to it, in any way.

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STUPID ATHEISTS: SEE INFIDELS.

STUPID ATHEISTS ARE FOUL SMELLY GAY/LESBIAN DEMON SPIRITS.

AND THATS A FACT.

LIARS & DENIAL, GODLESS INFIDELS EVIL ATHEISTS.

THE END IS COMIN'
THE END OF EVILDOERS!
TIME IS SHORT!

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The picture above is your average christer waiting for his scumbag god to appear. Its not happening is it? A non existent god cannot appear. The only acceptabe proof of a supernatural god is for it to appeare in person.

Sorry christers but thats just never gonna happen.

Just look in a mirror. Only god could make a face just like that one.


peace

RAPE AND CHILD ABUSE ARE NORMAL ACTIVITIES FOR CHIRSTIANS.

Sex abuse spans spectrum of churches
By Mark Clayton | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.

These are findings from national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources (CMR), a tax and legal-advice publisher serving more than 75,000 congregations and 1,000 denominational agencies nationwide.

CMR's annual surveys of about 1,000 churches nationwide have asked about sexual abuse since 1993. They're a remarkable window on a problem that lurked largely in the shadows of public awareness until the Catholic scandals arose.

The surveys suggest that over the past decade, the pace of child-abuse allegations against American churches has averaged 70 a week. The surveys registered a slight downward trend in reported abuse starting in 1997, possibly a result of the introduction of preventive measures by churches.

"I think the CMR numbers are striking, yet quite reasonable," says Anson Shupe, anIndiana University professor who's written books about church abuse. "To me it says Protestants are less reluctant to come forward because they don't put their clergy on as high a pedestal as Catholics do with their priests."

At least 70 incidents a week

Dr. Shupe suggests the 70 allegations-per-week figure actually could be higher, because underreporting is common. He discovered this in 1998 while going door to door in Dallas-Ft. Worth communities where he asked 1,607 families if they'd experienced abuse from those within their church. Nearly 4 percent said they had been victims of sexual abuse by clergy. Child sexual abuse was part of that, but not broken out, he says.

James Cobble, executive director of CMR, who oversees the survey, says the data show that child sex-abuse happens broadly across all denominations– and that clergy aren't the major offenders.

"The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers," he says.

Of the 350,000 churches in the US, 19,500 – 5 percent – are Roman Catholic. Catholic churches represent a slightly smaller minority of churches in the CMR surveys which aren't scientifically random, but "representative" demographic samples of churches, Dr. Cobble explains.

Since 1993, on average about 1 percent of the surveyed churches reported abuse allegations annually. That means on average, about 3,500 allegations annually, or nearly 70 per among the predominantly Protestant group, Cobble says.

The CMR findings also reveal:

• Most church child-sexual-abuse cases involve a single victim.

• Law suits or out-of-court settlements were a result in 21 percent of the allegations reported in the 2000 survey.

• Volunteers are more likely than clergy or paid staff to be abusers. Perhaps more startling, children at churches are accused of sexual abuse as often as are clergy and staff. In 1999, for example, 42 percent of alleged child abusers were volunteers – about 25 percent were paid staff members (including clergy) and 25 percent were other children.

Still, it is the reduction of reported allegations over nine years that seems to indicate that some churches are learning how to slow abuse allegations with tough new prevention measures, say insurance company officials and church officials themselves.

The peak year for allegations was 1994, with 3 percent of churches reporting an allegation of sexual misconduct compared with just 0.1 percent in 2000. But 2001 data, indicates a swing back to the 1 percent level, still significantly less than the 1993 figures, Cobble says.

Child sexual-abuse insurance claims have slowed, too, industry sources say.

Hugh White, vice president of marketing for Brotherhood Mutual Insurance, in Ft. Wayne, Ind., suggests that the amount of abuse reported in the CMR 2001 data is reasonable though "at the higher end" of the scale.

Mr. White's company insures 30,000 churches – about 0.2 percent to 0.3 percent of which annually report an "incident" of child sexual abuse. But he says that his churches are more highly educated on child abuse prevention procedures than most, which may account for a lower rate of reported abuse than the CMR surveys.

What all the data show is a settling that followed "a large spike" in the frequency and severity of church sexual misconduct claims from the mid-1980s, White says.

"Church insurance carriers implemented educational programs and policies that have helped decrease and then stabilize the trend," agrees Jan Beckstrom, chief operating officer for the church insurer GuideOne Insurance in West Des Moines, Iowa.

CMR surveys also show many smaller churches have lagged in starting such programs, while larger churches with more resources and management controls have led the way. And for good reason: They have more to lose, and a larger abuse problem.

"I don't know of a church that isn't doing this," says Simeon May, of the Richardson, Tex.-based National Association of Church Business Administration, which gives training for large churches with administrators.

At Grace Community Church in Tempe, Ariz., the executive pastor, Gary Maitha, says his church has adopted a tougher sort of love since 2000. That's when criminal background checks, finger printing, detailed questionnaires, and careful policies – such as never having children and adults "one-on-one" – kicked into gear. It's a necessity with 700 to 800 children showing up for Sunday School and many more for other church activities during the week, he says.

"We have fingerprinting and a criminal background check for anyone over age 18 that works with children," says the Rev. Maitha. "If it comes back with a blemish, they're not working with kids. That's all there is to it."

Debby DeBernardi, director of Grace Community's children's ministry, says church policies require, for instance, that adults go in pairs when supervising bathroom breaks for children and that they check to ensure no adults are in the bathrooms, before children enter.

Fingerprints for Sunday school

Men who've been screened and fingerprinted may work in the nursery. But only female staff members – not volunteers – may change diapers. Only adults wearing an identity badge that indicates they've been cleared may work with children – and photo IDs

Before attempting to prove the existence of God to an Atheist, one needs a little practice first. Try proving the existence of water to a fish, and then work your way up to proving God to Atheists.

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Atheist can not prove their theory as to how humans got to where we are now either. So why try to convince them? Its two different stories and there is no hard supporting evidence to either side...

The only proof acceptable of a real god is his/it's physical appearance here on earth with credentials.

Despite thousands or years and hundreds of millions of chirsters braying and pleading with it to please come on down, it is now, and always will be a no show.

A no show god is a uselesss piece of shit god.

Its a fucking imaginary god, Not a real god. Christers should be praying to their toasters. At least they will get toast from it.

When chrsiters say that prayer works. Demand proof. Find me one amputee that god healed an arm or leg back on.

They can't do that either. Their invisible god is a doody head.

The flat earth bible writers failed to even mention the universe, the solar system, or other galaxies, or space, or even the other planets in our own galaxy.

The flat earth bible writers were of course ignorant of all that was beyond their naked eye. They didn't know that other planets existed and that some of them are larger than the earth. They knew nothing of the universe.

The bible says god created two great lights, one to rule the day and one to rule the night.

A real god would obviously know the moon it created was not a light. The flat earth writers didn't know the moon is a dead rock that reflected light..

No real god could possible make that mistake either.

But thats all because god is a figment of mens imagination.
There is no real god

Nice picture of Condoleeeza Rice.

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Thats true...... It really chaps those moron chirsters asse's that their dipshit god is forever a no show.

Despite thousands of years spent on their knees begging their god to appear, he never shows up. HaHa.... Christers have exactly zero to show for spending their lives begging.

Their god is a big zero. Nada, Zip. Just that hollow emptiness. Nothing. Thats all they will ever get too. Their asshole god is imaginary. Bwhahahhahhhhh........Stupid fucking christians

They're not alone. There are equally stupid (and nasty) Jews and Islamotypes.

You clowns keep stroking.

Just because we don't buy into the three main gods - Allah, YHWH and Jesus, does NOT mean we do not believe in a higher Consciousness - a Source of all Creation, etc., For myself, 'god' is Nature. Only Nature knows how to create a beautiful butterfly. I'll bet my bottom dollar that Allah, nor YHWH nor Jesus can create a butterfly. All three of these 'gods' are male. Nature has no gender. Wake up man!!

"We"?

If you buy into any creation myth then you are a religious fruitcake.

When I said "We" I was referring to those of us who DO NOT BUY INTO RELIGIONS!! I disagree with you when you suggest that accepting Nature as the true creator, is "buying into a creation myth." NATURE IS NOT A MYTH!!!!!!!!!!

Nuf said::::

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