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Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town

 
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Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town


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What a nightmare! A new truck and when he gets home, all electricals shut off immediately. No lights for vehicle egress. and then he has to hook it up to a charger to survive the next day's stupidity.

Then... They have a current sensor on the battery that you have to outsmart when you recharge it. Because if you recharge the battery from the terminals, and the current sensor doesn't see the recharge amps being added, it will keep your electricals shut down because it is trying to save your battery for the next start.

And the thing is still hogging power even with the truck shut off. The guy has to set a mega charger up to 40 freaking amps to recharge the battery. At 5 amps the battery is still discharging!

The future is dark.

If the driver is doing lots of stop and go driving, the vehicle needs recharged when it gets home. If it gets home.

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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
They honestly dont want you owning an automobile.

Motor Laws and Motor protests are on the horizon.
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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
Why don't they just put in an alternator of adequate size to keep the battery charged? I guess MPG. Everything is for MPG now, even the piston rings fit looser in the cylinder, you get oil leaking thru, if you're lucky you don't get fuel leaking the other way into the oil, but all to reduce friction and eke out a little more MPG.

There should be an aftermarket beefier alternator. Does this exist?
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A minute of work revealed that it does exist.

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Get a better alternator in there, and it should solve this problem.
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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
Why don't they just put in an alternator of adequate size to keep the battery charged? I guess MPG. Everything is for MPG now, even the piston rings fit looser in the cylinder, you get oil leaking thru, if you're lucky you don't get fuel leaking the other way into the oil, but all to reduce friction and eke out a little more MPG.

There should be an aftermarket beefier alternator. Does this exist?
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The issue is with stop and go driving. The vehicle shuts off and restarts at every traggic light, so it continually discharges unless you can get on a highway and drive it long enough to recharge.

Not my truck. I have an older GMC Sierra with none of that modern crap on it.

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Why don't they just put in an alternator of adequate size to keep the battery charged? I guess MPG. Everything is for MPG now, even the piston rings fit looser in the cylinder, you get oil leaking thru, if you're lucky you don't get fuel leaking the other way into the oil, but all to reduce friction and eke out a little more MPG.

There should be an aftermarket beefier alternator. Does this exist?
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The issue is with stop and go driving. The vehicle shuts off and restarts at every traggic light, so it continually discharges unless you can get on a highway and drive it long enough to recharge.

Not my truck. I have an older GMC Sierra with none of that modern crap on it.
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Ouch, that's retarded. Wonder how hard it is to bypass that "feature".
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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
Why don't they just put in an alternator of adequate size to keep the battery charged? I guess MPG. Everything is for MPG now, even the piston rings fit looser in the cylinder, you get oil leaking thru, if you're lucky you don't get fuel leaking the other way into the oil, but all to reduce friction and eke out a little more MPG.

There should be an aftermarket beefier alternator. Does this exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84235510


The issue is with stop and go driving. The vehicle shuts off and restarts at every traggic light, so it continually discharges unless you can get on a highway and drive it long enough to recharge.

Not my truck. I have an older GMC Sierra with none of that modern crap on it.
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Ouch, that's retarded. Wonder how hard it is to bypass that "feature".
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I don't know, but I would be looking for a way if I owned that truck.
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LOL, I just noticed my typo. (I swear the famn computer changes the words when I type them.)

Traggic light. Actually kind of fitting.
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Why don't they just put in an alternator of adequate size to keep the battery charged? I guess MPG. Everything is for MPG now, even the piston rings fit looser in the cylinder, you get oil leaking thru, if you're lucky you don't get fuel leaking the other way into the oil, but all to reduce friction and eke out a little more MPG.

There should be an aftermarket beefier alternator. Does this exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84235510


The issue is with stop and go driving. The vehicle shuts off and restarts at every traggic light, so it continually discharges unless you can get on a highway and drive it long enough to recharge.

Not my truck. I have an older GMC Sierra with none of that modern crap on it.
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Ouch, that's retarded. Wonder how hard it is to bypass that "feature".
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I don't know, but I would be looking for a way if I owned that truck.
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I have been in the car with someone that has a new ford suv that has this shit in it. There is an override pushbutton to disable it but it resets after you turn the car off. There is an aftermarket diagnostic port module that can make the pushbutton remember to not keep shutting the car off.

This is obviously a step towards forcing people into not wanting a gas vehicle as only a retarded person would design something as worthless as this. Annoying as fuck and that can't be good on the motor starting and stopping so many times.
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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
Ah, this guy found a way!

Brilliant! costs no money.

You just get a nearly dead battery.
Make it go dead a few times while driving.
This ratchets up an event counter which then disables the "feature". Then you put a good battery back on the vehicle and DO NOT RESET THE BMS FEATURE) .

He says all the aftermarket devices will also end up screwing up a bunch of other truck operations that you probably want to keep. (like remote door lock function etc).



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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
the thing about a BMS is this.


if you have properly matched cell in a bank you don't need a bms and if you need a bms, then you don't have properly matched cells in a bank.

either way, the bms is useless.

i'm still waiting for people to wake up on this fact.
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Re: Insanely stupid new truck design - Ford pickup Start/stop system and BMS (Battery Monitor Sys.) batteries lose charge as they drive in town
My Honda has a 6 cylinder engine and had some variable cylinder BS system on it that would turn off half the cylinders unless you were accelerating.

After hearing a few Youtube mechanics talk about how this greatly shortens the life of the engine, I bought a kit for around $70 that disables the feature. Amazing improvement in power and drive-ability.

Then after a few months, the engine stumbled a couple times at a light, so I decided to change the spark plugs.

No more stumbles and yet another improvement in power. Not sure why, but I'm not complaining. Ridiculous acceleration.

I think I lost 1 mpg on average. If the engine lasts twice as long, it was well worth it.

Luckily, my GMC Sierra was the year before they added the variable cylinder crap feature. Awesome truck.

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Nice. :)
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The issue is with stop and go driving. The vehicle shuts off and restarts at every traggic light, so it continually discharges unless you can get on a highway and drive it long enough to recharge.

Not my truck. I have an older GMC Sierra with none of that modern crap on it.
 Quoting: JustmeTX

Ouch, that's retarded. Wonder how hard it is to bypass that "feature".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84235510


I don't know, but I would be looking for a way if I owned that truck.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


I have been in the car with someone that has a new ford suv that has this shit in it. There is an override pushbutton to disable it but it resets after you turn the car off. There is an aftermarket diagnostic port module that can make the pushbutton remember to not keep shutting the car off.

This is obviously a step towards forcing people into not wanting a gas vehicle as only a retarded person would design something as worthless as this. Annoying as fuck and that can't be good on the motor starting and stopping so many times.
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I had a loaner truck a few months back with this "feature".

Just going through a drive-thru, the engine shut off probably a dozen times.

Stupidest shit I've ever seen.
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In other Ford news that you won’t hear in the media, Berkshire Hathaway recently paid Ford Motor Company $35 million for “new dealership territorial exclusivity” near the Frisco Texas area. Soon afterward some Ford suits made surprise visits to a couple of small long time area dealerships and told them they have been cancelled. True story.
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My favorite commercial.


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The constant minute to minute starting & stopping mimics the brain activity of a typical Liberal Democrat. It’s why the truck doesn’t work. It’s why the Country doesn’t work. Thanks Ford. Thanks JoeBama.
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