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| The professor User ID: 385883 United States04/03/2008 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4069036 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. 40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. 43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. 44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. << John 1 >> That is one man's opinion. Of course, there are others. I won't give you mine, because...that also is only one man's opinion, and there are others. |
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Tessa  User ID: 383010 United States04/03/2008 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP thank you for posting that. It was wonderful to take a few minutes and read it. Sets a better tone for my day. And you are right, there is no other.  "Whether this song is about sex, drugs, or Ramen Noodles, it's moving. And you can bet your ass that you can fuck to it." |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you know this How? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 256229King James Bible I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "Anyone who has seen me has seen the father" 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 12 ¶ Then Solomon said, O Lord, thou hast said that thou wouldst dwell in the thick darkness. 13 And I have surely built thee a house to dwell in, a settled place for thee to abide in forever. 14 Then the king turned his face about and blessed all the congregation of Israel; and all the congregation of Israel stood; 15 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, who spoke with his mouth to David my father, and has with his hands fulfilled his promise, saying, 16 Since the day that I brought forth my people Israel out of Egypt, I chose no city out of all the tribes of Israel to build a house, that my name might be therein; but I chose David to be over my people Israel. 17 And it was in the heart of David my father to build a house for the name of the Lord God of Israel. 18 But the Lord said to David my father, Whereas it was in your heart to build a house to my name, you did well that it was in your heart. 19 Nevertheless you shall not build the house to my name; but your son who shall come forth out of your loins, he shall build the house to my name. 20 Now the Lord has performed the word that he spoke, and I have risen up in the place of David my father and sit on the throne of Israel, as the Lord promised, and have built a house to the name of the Lord God of Israel. 21 And I have set there the Ark of the Covenant of the Lord, which he made with our fathers when he brought them out of the land of Egypt. 22 And Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven and prayed; 23 And he said, O Lord God of Israel, there is no one like thee in heaven above or on earth beneath, who keepeth covenant and mercy with thy servants who walk before thee in truth with all their heart and with all their soul; 24 Who hast kept with thy servant David my father what thou didst promise him; thou didst speak with thy mouth, and hast fulfilled it with thy hand, as it is this day. 25 Therefore, now, O Lord God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father what thou didst promise him, saying, There shall not fail you a man in my sight to sit on the throne of Israel; if only your sons take heed to their way, to walk before me in truth as you have walked before me. 26 And now, O Lord God of Israel, let thy word be confirmed, which thou hast sworn to thy servant David my father. 27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have built? 28 But turn toward the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my God, to hearken to the supplication and to the prayer which thy servant prays before thee this day; 29 That thine eyes may be open upon this house day and night, even toward this place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there; that thou mayest hearken to the prayer which thy servant prays before thee for this place. 30 And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant and of thy people Israel, when they pray before thee in this place; and hear thou, O our God, from thy dwelling place in heaven, and forgive. And then in the next chapter, I kings 9:1-9; 1 And when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the Lord and the king's house and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do, 2 Then the Lord appeared to him the second time, as he had appeared to him at Gibeon. 3 And the Lord said to him, I have heard your prayer and your supplication that you have made before me; and I have hallowed for me this house which you have built to put my name there for ever; and my eyes and my heart shall be there perpetually. 4 And as for you, if you will walk before me, as David your father walked in integrity of heart and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded you, and will keep my statutes and my judgments; 5 Then I will establish the throne of your kingdom over Israel for ever, as I promised to David your father, saying, There shall not fail you a man upon the throne of Israel. 6 But if you shall indeed turn from following me, you or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods and worship them; 7 Then I will destroy Israel from the face of the land which I have given them; and this house which I have hallowed for my name will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all peoples; 8 And this house shall be in ruins; every one that passes by it shall be astonished and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why has the Lord done thus to this land and to this house? 9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them and served them; therefore the Lord has brought upon them all this evil. 70 ad Then the next temple is mentioned in Daniel Nine after the real temple is established by the messiah and he the messaih after completing his work is cut off then ressurected. He is the King on the throne That Solomon was seeking to be on the Gods throne forever also he made the temple Gods house, For God to be amongst his people forever (temple) The body of Christ. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Daniel nine even though it states the second temple is destroyed by the people of the rpince who comes in the future. the romans were the people of the prince that same prince comes in the end of days and sets up the abomination of desolation. And makes the city of jerusalem a desert like place until Jesus returns as the king from heaven to destroy that evil one forever and sets up the kingdom of God on earth, then hands over the kingdom to the father. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 403810 United States04/03/2008 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Quoting: The professor 3858836 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. 40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. 43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. 44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. << John 1 >> That is one man's opinion. Of course, there are others. I won't give you mine, because...that also is only one man's opinion, and there are others. Its not one mans opinion.More like a billion others over the last almost 2000 years since the cross an pentecost in the book of Acts.And its also not an opinion,its a fact to those who have been supernaturaly saved an filled with the holy spirit of Jesus.Its not an opinion or faith when you have revelation or impartation.God can turn your faith to fact with one encounter with him. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you know this How? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 406903I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. HE SPOKE HIS WORD 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4069033 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. HE SPOKE HIS WORD 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 6 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 252875 United Kingdom04/03/2008 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was God, why did he repeatedly emphasize the importance of the unity of God? For example: (a) Hear O Israel the first commandment is that Thy God is One and there is none other than He (Mark 12:28, 32, Matthew 22:34-40) (b) I can do nothing on my authority, as I hear, I judge and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. (John 5:30, 31) |
| mathetes User ID: 327572 United States04/03/2008 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fact that you need someone else to die for your sins speaks volumes about you, religious people Quoting: vedrusa 407139 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 406158 United States04/03/2008 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fact that you need someone else to die for your sins speaks volumes about you, religious people Quoting: vedrusa 407139That's got to be one of the most incredibly brainless, and ignorant statements on this forum. A complete and total lack of intelligence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 252875 United Kingdom04/03/2008 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was God, why did he not know what was going to happen on the Day of Judgment? But of that day or that Hour no one knows, not even the Angels in Heaven, not the Son but only the Father. (Mark 13:32) If Jesus was God, why would he say that he was sent by God? (John 6:29) If Jesus was God, what need did he have to pray? (Mark 1:35, Luke 5:16) Jesus is reported to have said: He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me (Matthew 10:40, Luke 10:16, John 12:44). Who sent Jesus if he himself was God? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 406158 United States04/03/2008 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Ahhh...yes... The old raising of the BS flag, with absolutely nothing to offer. Imagine someone so stupid, as to believe what they read on some liftwing rag, and yet call Jesus Christ a BS'er. Wow, talk about mind-wiped. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 406158 United States04/03/2008 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was God, why did he not know who had touched him? (Mark 5:30) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 252875If Jesus was God, why did he not know what was going to happen on the Day of Judgment? But of that day or that Hour no one knows, not even the Angels in Heaven, not the Son but only the Father. (Mark 13:32) If Jesus was God, why would he say that he was sent by God? (John 6:29) If Jesus was God, what need did he have to pray? (Mark 1:35, Luke 5:16) Jesus is reported to have said: He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me (Matthew 10:40, Luke 10:16, John 12:44). Who sent Jesus if he himself was God? Ahhhh... yes.... Another Jehovah's Witness... |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was God, why did he repeatedly emphasize the importance of the unity of God? For example: (a) Hear O Israel the first commandment is that Thy God is One and there is none other than He (Mark 12:28, 32, Matthew 22:34-40) Why do you not believe the words of God? John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. question If Jesus was God, why did he repeatedly emphasize the importance of the unity of God? (b) I can do nothing on my authority, as I hear, I judge and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. (John 5:30, 31) answer 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Here Jesus Reveals his name is the name Of God The father! 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Here Jesus reveals he came out from God For he is God , for what comes out of God but God? 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. Here Jesus again reveals that his name is the very name of God And also that He is One With God for He is God In The Flesh. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. Here Jesus reveals that the Power of His own name Jesus is the Very Power of God to Keep, For here he Reveals he kept all safe in His Name "Jesus" Which is the Nmae Of God. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Here Jesus reveals he was with God before the foundation of the world ,for he is God. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was God, why did he not know who had touched him? (Mark 5:30) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 252875If Jesus was God, why did he not know what was going to happen on the Day of Judgment? But of that day or that Hour no one knows, not even the Angels in Heaven, not the Son but only the Father. (Mark 13:32) If Jesus was God, why would he say that he was sent by God? (John 6:29) If Jesus was God, what need did he have to pray? (Mark 1:35, Luke 5:16) Jesus is reported to have said: He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me (Matthew 10:40, Luke 10:16, John 12:44). Who sent Jesus if he himself was God? Why do you not believe the words of God? 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JOHN Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 406903 United States04/03/2008 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was God, why did he not know who had touched him? (Mark 5:30) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 252875If Jesus was God, why did he not know what was going to happen on the Day of Judgment? But of that day or that Hour no one knows, not even the Angels in Heaven, not the Son but only the Father. (Mark 13:32) If Jesus was God, why would he say that he was sent by God? (John 6:29) If Jesus was God, what need did he have to pray? (Mark 1:35, Luke 5:16) Jesus is reported to have said: He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me (Matthew 10:40, Luke 10:16, John 12:44). Who sent Jesus if he himself was God? Ok I will answer you in human reason you and your genses came from your mother and your father you have their genetic makeup even if you father is not with you , you still are a part of him and came out from him AND- AND THIS IS THE BIG AND! IF YOU FATHER AND MOTHER WERE THE ONLY HUMAN BEINGS THAT EVER EXISTED JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE THEIR SON DOES IT MEAN YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN BEING AND ARE NOT PART OF THEM AND SO IN A REAL SENSE THEM ? OR SHALL I SAY AN EXTENSION OF THEM BUT STILL OF THEIR KIND STILL HUMAN!! REPLACE THE WORD HUMAN WITH GOD AND YOU HAVE THE ANSWER YOU PROBABLY WANT TO RESIST BUT IT IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO ACCPET IF YOU DONT HAVE THE FAVOUR OF GOD TO ACCEPT TRUTH BY HIS GRACE. |
| Ever opening Flower User ID: 256229 United States04/03/2008 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the beginning was the agenda. And the agenda was control. How do we control people and get them to do whatever we tell them to do. We make them believe in a God. Not the real God of course but the one we construct for their consuption and our pleasure.We will call this God (fill in the blank with any label you like) And so it was!The end! Of free will and free thought....Or so they believed. |
| FightingSpirit User ID: 407288 United Kingdom04/03/2008 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bottom line: What does the Bible tell us about our man-made images of God? Consider Deuteronomy 4:15-16. It warns us that, since we have not personally seen God, we ought not make or recreate His likeness. Does this warning apply to the incarnate Christ who came to earth as both Man and God? I am not sure. But any man-made image of God could be misleading, since it plants an untrue picture of God in our minds and imagination. The New as well as the Old Testament warns us that man's sincere attempts to recreate images of God are likely to clash with His will: “Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising." Acts 17:29 Emphasis added No human imitation can match God's own descriptions in Isaiah 53 or in Revelation 1:13-15. While movies didn't exist back when the first books of the Bible were written, God's message through Moses was clear: The people must not make "carved images" (the only three-dimensional figures at the time) of God nor of the false gods of their pagan neighbors. The fact that Hollywood can now create far more realistic three-dimensional likenesses makes today's moving images all the more persuasive, memorable and deceptive. The following verses suggest that God does not want our help, ingenuity or "creativity" in making a more visible image of Himself: “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure...." Deuteronomy 4:15-16 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth...." Exodus 20:4 “To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal and compare Me, that we should be alike?" Isaiah 46:5 "Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man...." Romans 1:22-23 God's Word doesn't give us these warnings in order to deprive us of visual gratification. After all, He filled His creation with glorious flowers, magnificent multicolored birds, vibrant, luminous fish and countless other delights to our eyes. But, like the forbidden fruit in the garden (often assumed to be an apple because artists painted their own interpretations of Genesis 3), one kind of image would be out of bounds: any image that depicted God Himself or any of the world's false gods. Instead of man-made images, God will "show his face" through the power of the Holy Spirit in us. Far more glorious than any piece of art are God's own spiritual revelations to our hearts. May we, like the shepherd-king David, set the eyes of our hearts on the only God who can make His grace and gospel real to us through His wonderful Word and Spirit. "I have set the Lord always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will rest in hope." Psalm 16:7-9 When we, too, "set the Lord" before us through His Word and by His Spirit, "we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory...." (2 Cor. 3:18) "Pray for solace..Pray for resolve..Pray for a savior..Pray for deliverance..Some kind of purpose..A glimpse of a LIGHT in this VOID OF EXISTENCE..Now witness the END of an age..Hope dies in hands of believers..Who seek the truth in the LIAR'S EYE" "The greatest TRICK the Devil ever pulled was not convincing the world he doesn't exist..But convincing it that he is GOD" "I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: It is a gift of GOD. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: He knows how it drives the EVIL spirit OUT of US." - Martin Luther "What have I done?..Where have I come from?..When I burnt the backs with the SUN through a GLASS..Did I SEAL the loss that's become me?.. Feeling undone..What have I become? ..When I turned my back on you..I turned my back on MYSELF and became this MACHINE" "What you IGNORE now..Will come OUT of YOU later" "Stones to throw at my Creator.. MASOCHISTS to which I cater..You don't need to bother..I don't need to be..I'll keep slipping farther.. But once I hold on..I won't let go 'til it BLEEDS" |
