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The Vatican has released the first pictures of Pope Benedict XVI's body laying in state in a chapel, but he's dressed just a little differently than previous dead Pontiffs who were always laid out literally dressed fit to be buried. Noticeably missing are the full vestments of a sitting Pope, presumably withheld since he officially abandoned the throne of St. Peter when he resigned. It's kinda' like Buckingham Palace who -just to make a point- wouldn't allow Prince Harry to wear his military uniform at QEII"s funeral. And, I can at least grasp that kind of logic.

But what about Benedict's SHOES? Traditionally dead Pontiffs are shod in brand-new, bright red [and custom-made] Ferragamo slippers to denote the "shoes of the fisherman" even though there is no historical record that tells us what color shoes the angler-apostle Peter wore. And not to be too picky, but we do know that they certainly wouldn't have been shiny slippers at all but rather crude, unpolished sandals just like everyone else wore. So, there's that.

In fact, as a lay preacher Peter would've restricted his wardrobe to muted humble garments and left the bling to the high temple Priests... where every nomad knew it rightfully belonged!

And speaking of bling, most of that flashy stitching and incredibly intricate embroidery [no doubt created by Nuns who sewed themselves blind] -and those red slippers- were largely products of the opulent Italian renaissance when Gold ruled even more than it does today. I've seen 12th, 13th and 14th-century Papal crowns and vestments and let me tell you, they would've given Liberace a serious run for his money... come to think of it, Lee was also a devout Catholic so now we may know where he got his own fashion sense!

Instead, on Benedict's feet are a pair of scuffed dark brown loafers that have certainly seen better days, right down to the large non-skid pads on the soles. Of course, the devout will spin it by claiming those ratty shoes personify the late Pope's humility [even though that was not one of his more obvious traits]... but I'm not buying it.

But regardless of the reason, it all seems in pretty poor taste to me since those brown shoes look like they could use a good coat of wax.

But then, I'm just a cynical heathen who notices little things like a man's shoes.

Even those of a fisherman.

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Haha, hope the remains of the last on script anti-pope don't stink out St. Peter's or blow up from the unstable, pure concentrated evil on display.
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Popes have always worn red shoes until Pope Francis

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may the horror of the red shoes follow him into the afterlife. only God knows his part
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What a pussy this guy was. Put in a position where he could have fought the globalists and what does he fucking do but wuss the fuck out and resign so he can live a few more years of his pathetic free meals and benefits existence. Fucking pathetic. Have fun in hell Benedict because God is pissed at you.
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Instead, on Benedict's feet are a pair of scuffed dark brown loafers that have certainly seen better days, right down to the non-skid pads on the soles. Of course, the devout will spin it by claiming those ratty shoes personify the late Pope's humility [even though that was not one of his more obvious traits]... but I'm not buying it.

But regardless the reason, it all seems in pretty poor taste to me since those brown shoes look like they could use a good coat of wax.

But then, I'm just a cynical heathen who notices little things like a man's shoes.

Even those of a fisherman.
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You need to remember this.

Bergoglio is now in command. He will have everything done his own way

and his way will be the only way.

Adios opulent Latin masses done the other way.

Adios priests celebrating wearing opulent vestments.

It will all be brought to the minimal, almost Lutheran style, or less.

Bergoglio will deconstruct everything traditional with his crew. There will be no one to contradict him. He will be the Absolute Leader. Leader Massimo.

Conservative Traditionalists will split up from the Church of Bergoglio and they will go their own way.

Sedevacantists, and other groups.

After former Pope BEnedict XVI Joseph Ratzinger is buried, everything will change.

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Instead, on Benedict's feet are a pair of scuffed dark brown loafers that have certainly seen better days, right down to the non-skid pads on the soles. Of course, the devout will spin it by claiming those ratty shoes personify the late Pope's humility [even though that was not one of his more obvious traits]... but I'm not buying it.

But regardless the reason, it all seems in pretty poor taste to me since those brown shoes look like they could use a good coat of wax.

But then, I'm just a cynical heathen who notices little things like a man's shoes.

Even those of a fisherman.
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You need to remember this.

Bergoglio is now in command. He will have everything done his own way

and his way will be the only way.

Adios opulent Latin masses done the other way.

Adios priests celebrating wearing opulent vestments.

It will all be brought to the minimal, almost Lutheran style, or less.

Bergoglio will deconstruct everything traditional with his crew. There will be no one to contradict him. He will be the Absolute Leader. Leader Massimo.

Conservative Traditionalists will split up from the Church of Bergoglio and they will go their own way.

Sedevacantists, and other groups.

After former Pope BEnedict XVI Joseph Ratzinger is buried, everything will change.

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Actually, since I don't really care what the Vatican does I need remember nothing except history -which remains the truest barometer of human behavior we have. And the only ones the un-Holy See can influence are those whom have placed both their corporeal and eternal lives under its pervasive wings. Which leaves me on the outside scoping in and not on the inside peering out.

There have been internal schisms since before it was even a recognized religion and that's something that will never change because these are men who authoritatively think they speak for God when in reality they are mere mortals who assumed those golden mantles for themselves... to guide control the masses.

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red shoes represent feet of the martyrs.
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Back to Benedict's body: if you pull up the photos I referenced above, you'll notice something else that seems oddly crude.

In his old age, Benedict was stooped from Osteoporosis. So, in order to counteract the forward leaning of his body -and make him appear to lay perfectly supine- a large velvet cushion was placed under the base of his spine. And, this is actually a common practice among the funeral industry for public viewings of the elderly.

But, in the past when an aged deceased Pontiff was so deformed by the hand of God and the same forced positioning was done, it was accomplished with much more finesse so that cushioned support was fully concealed by his vestments, robe or by the catafalque covering itself.

In Benedict's case, the attempt was clumsy at best which -along with those unpolished shoes- indicates to me that there are those among the Vatican hierarchy who are determined to diminish the level of respect normally accorded their deceased spiritual leaders.

It's a subtle affront to be sure, but it's obvious to those with eyes wide open and serves as a visible testament to the pettiness of the College of Cardinals, who were no doubt consulted on the protocols of Benedict's funeral.

As I stated in a post a little above this one, schisms in Rome have been around a very, very long time and take many forms!

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red shoes represent feet of the martyrs.
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According to WHOM? Care to cite a historical reference for that? Go ahead: TRY.

Here's what TRUE history tells us: going back to Etruscan times, red shoes were a symbol of POWER, and not due to any divine authority, but one based upon WEALTH. Red/Crimson dyes were extracted from sea Snails and as such were rare and extremely costly so only the most wealthy wore such shades of clothing. The color itself was called "Royal Purple" and in fact, even today those same natural red dyes are taken from Cochineal Beetles!

History is your friend - especially when it's not adulterated by esoteric revisionist mumbo-jumbo.

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Back to Benedict's body: if you pull up the photos I referenced above, you'll notice something else that seems oddly crude.

In his old age, Benedict was stooped from Osteoporosis. So, in order to counteract the forward leaning of his body -and make him appear to lay perfectly supine- a large velvet cushion was placed under the base of his spine. And, this is actually a common practice among the funeral industry for public viewings.

But, in the past when an aged deceased Pontiff was so deformed by the and of God and the same forced positioning was done, it was accomplished with much more finesse so that cushioned support was fully concealed by his vestments and robe.

In Benedict's case, the attempt was clumsy at best which -along with those unpolished shoes- indicates to me that there are those among the Vatican hierarchy who are determined to diminish the level of respect normally accorded their deceased spiritual leaders.

It's a subtle affront to be sure, but it's obvious to those with eyes wide open and serves as a visible testament to the pettiness of the College of Cardinals, who were no doubt consulted on the protocols of Benedict's funeral.

As I stated in the post just above this one, schisms in Rome have been around a very, very long time and take many forms!
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ratzinger was a humble, devout man. when he came out strongly against homosexuality, trafficking, marxism, and all of the other evils of this world, he was pressured to resign. read his books and see what a strong Christian man he was. The Jesus narratives are especially exceptional. The rulers of this world hated this man.
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Back to Benedict's body: if you pull up the photos I referenced above, you'll notice something else that seems oddly crude.

In his old age, Benedict was stooped from Osteoporosis. So, in order to counteract the forward leaning of his body -and make him appear to lay perfectly supine- a large velvet cushion was placed under the base of his spine. And, this is actually a common practice among the funeral industry for public viewings.

But, in the past when an aged deceased Pontiff was so deformed by the and of God and the same forced positioning was done, it was accomplished with much more finesse so that cushioned support was fully concealed by his vestments and robe.

In Benedict's case, the attempt was clumsy at best which -along with those unpolished shoes- indicates to me that there are those among the Vatican hierarchy who are determined to diminish the level of respect normally accorded their deceased spiritual leaders.

It's a subtle affront to be sure, but it's obvious to those with eyes wide open and serves as a visible testament to the pettiness of the College of Cardinals, who were no doubt consulted on the protocols of Benedict's funeral.

As I stated in the post just above this one, schisms in Rome have been around a very, very long time and take many forms!
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ratzinger was a humble, devout man. when he came out strongly against homosexuality, trafficking, marxism, and all of the other evils of this world, he was pressured to resign. read his books and see what a strong Christian man he was. The Jesus narratives are especially exceptional. The rulers of this world hated this man.
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That narrative simply doesn't match facts. When Ratzinger resigned, the Vatican was facing global derision for the homosexual abuse scandals that the Pontiff did very little to eradicate. He may have vocally condemned the practices, but he flatly REFUSED to hold Bishops accountable. And that -as one would say- is the bottom line.

As for a forced resignation? Perhaps. But it's also been revealed that Benedict underwent a personal crisis of faith and questioned the validity of his own position as a spiritual leader. The Vatican is like an Onion with layer upon layer upon layer of deceptive -yet protecting- skins that must be peeled away to reveal the most potent core.

And the first step in such a revelation is not to believe everything you read or hear that emanates from Rome... particularly since the word "propaganda" itself was coined to describe a powerful branch of the Catholic hierarchy: the "Congregatio de Propaganda Fide" which dates to 1622 as authorized by Pope Gregory XV. The sole purpose of that congregation of Bishops was to force the Catholic faith upon "ignorant" heathens at all costs, even unto torture and death.

Again: history is your friend!

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Back to Benedict's body: if you pull up the photos I referenced above, you'll notice something else that seems oddly crude.

In his old age, Benedict was stooped from Osteoporosis. So, in order to counteract the forward leaning of his body -and make him appear to lay perfectly supine- a large velvet cushion was placed under the base of his spine. And, this is actually a common practice among the funeral industry for public viewings.

But, in the past when an aged deceased Pontiff was so deformed by the and of God and the same forced positioning was done, it was accomplished with much more finesse so that cushioned support was fully concealed by his vestments and robe.

In Benedict's case, the attempt was clumsy at best which -along with those unpolished shoes- indicates to me that there are those among the Vatican hierarchy who are determined to diminish the level of respect normally accorded their deceased spiritual leaders.

It's a subtle affront to be sure, but it's obvious to those with eyes wide open and serves as a visible testament to the pettiness of the College of Cardinals, who were no doubt consulted on the protocols of Benedict's funeral.

As I stated in the post just above this one, schisms in Rome have been around a very, very long time and take many forms!
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ratzinger was a humble, devout man. when he came out strongly against homosexuality, trafficking, marxism, and all of the other evils of this world, he was pressured to resign. read his books and see what a strong Christian man he was. The Jesus narratives are especially exceptional. The rulers of this world hated this man.
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He never came out strongly about any of those things. He was a whimp who because he was a scholar, and that is where his primary attention was, didn't pay serious attention to what was going on around him. His attitude was mostly one of disbelief.

But what I find strange here is that he was noted to be quite the dude. His clothes and vestments were the very finest money could buy and hands could make. Mention was always made of his handmade red shoes. I wonder if the brown slippers were even his? There has got to be some deeper meaning here.
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red shoes represent feet of the martyrs.
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According to WHOM? Care to cite a historical reference for that? Go ahead: TRY.

Here's what TRUE history tells us: going back to Etruscan times, red shoes were a symbol of POWER, and not due to any divine authority, but one based upon WEALTH. Red/Crimson dyes were extracted from sea Snails and as such were rare and extremely costly so only the most wealthy wore such shades of clothing. The color itself was called "Royal Purple" and in fact, even today those same natural red dye is taken from Cochineal Beetles!

History is your friend - especially when it's not adulterated by esoteric revisionist mumbo-jumbo.
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There are countless references to it, even Benedict himself references it. And there are numerous references about red shoes only being a symbol of power. You don’t suppose symbols can, and do, often have different meanings. My opinion is this is another subtle jab by the powers that be against this man and those who believe as he did (does).

Ratzinger wrote brilliantly about the evil of moral relativism and all that flows from it. They hate him for that. Now watch as the push to eradicate traditional values is escalated even further.
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Back to Benedict's body: if you pull up the photos I referenced above, you'll notice something else that seems oddly crude.

In his old age, Benedict was stooped from Osteoporosis. So, in order to counteract the forward leaning of his body -and make him appear to lay perfectly supine- a large velvet cushion was placed under the base of his spine. And, this is actually a common practice among the funeral industry for public viewings.

But, in the past when an aged deceased Pontiff was so deformed by the and of God and the same forced positioning was done, it was accomplished with much more finesse so that cushioned support was fully concealed by his vestments and robe.

In Benedict's case, the attempt was clumsy at best which -along with those unpolished shoes- indicates to me that there are those among the Vatican hierarchy who are determined to diminish the level of respect normally accorded their deceased spiritual leaders.

It's a subtle affront to be sure, but it's obvious to those with eyes wide open and serves as a visible testament to the pettiness of the College of Cardinals, who were no doubt consulted on the protocols of Benedict's funeral.

As I stated in the post just above this one, schisms in Rome have been around a very, very long time and take many forms!
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ratzinger was a humble, devout man. when he came out strongly against homosexuality, trafficking, marxism, and all of the other evils of this world, he was pressured to resign. read his books and see what a strong Christian man he was. The Jesus narratives are especially exceptional. The rulers of this world hated this man.
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He never came out strongly about any of those things. He was a whimp who because he was a scholar, and that is where his primary attention was, didn't pay serious attention to what was going on around him. His attitude was mostly one of disbelief.

But what I find strange here is that he was noted to be quite the dude. His clothes and vestments were the very finest money could buy and hands could make. Mention was always made of his handmade red shoes. I wonder if the brown slippers were even his? There has got to be some deeper meaning here.
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I suspect those are his personal brown loafers. Before posting this thread, my researches of his resignation found several international references concerning his wardrobe [because as you accurately stated he was considered a "un uomo ben vestito"] including his in-office vestments, but particularly the red shoes which he switched out for brown loafers... even though there was no historical precedent since he was only the second Pope to ever resign his office.

So: was he ordered to do this? Again, perhaps! My best guess is that a small conclave of Cardinals was called to decide how the newly-departed Pontiff would be displayed to the public -if at all- and we have also witnessed how rarely THAT was during his remaining years of life!

But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't even be bothered to at least give them a nice coat of polish!

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red shoes represent feet of the martyrs.
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According to WHOM? Care to cite a historical reference for that? Go ahead: TRY.

Here's what TRUE history tells us: going back to Etruscan times, red shoes were a symbol of POWER, and not due to any divine authority, but one based upon WEALTH. Red/Crimson dyes were extracted from sea Snails and as such were rare and extremely costly so only the most wealthy wore such shades of clothing. The color itself was called "Royal Purple" and in fact, even today those same natural red dye is taken from Cochineal Beetles!

History is your friend - especially when it's not adulterated by esoteric revisionist mumbo-jumbo.
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There are countless references to it, even Benedict himself references it. And there are numerous references about red shoes only being a symbol of power. You don’t suppose symbols can, and do, often have different meanings. My opinion is this is another subtle jab by the powers that be against this man and those who believe as he did (does).

Ratzinger wrote brilliantly about the evil of moral relativism and all that flows from it. They hate him for that. Now watch as the push to eradicate traditional values is escalated even further.
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You used the term "martyrs", which is false. I'm the one who accurately referenced red shoes as a symbol of POWER, which only tangentially has anything to do with divinity. But we DO agree that the internal level of respect being shown to this dead Pope differs radically from the past.

And this speaks volumes about the hidden machinations of the un-Holy See.

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Thanks for the report of these very interesting observations because Benedict. more than any other recent pope, revived the opulent dress of 19th century popes with Ermin collars and he always wore red shoes. I can only think laying him out in warm shoes was some kind of symbolic reprimand or way of not detracting from Francis being the current pope.
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Back to Benedict's body: if you pull up the photos I referenced above, you'll notice something else that seems oddly crude.

In his old age, Benedict was stooped from Osteoporosis. So, in order to counteract the forward leaning of his body -and make him appear to lay perfectly supine- a large velvet cushion was placed under the base of his spine. And, this is actually a common practice among the funeral industry for public viewings.

But, in the past when an aged deceased Pontiff was so deformed by the and of God and the same forced positioning was done, it was accomplished with much more finesse so that cushioned support was fully concealed by his vestments and robe.

In Benedict's case, the attempt was clumsy at best which -along with those unpolished shoes- indicates to me that there are those among the Vatican hierarchy who are determined to diminish the level of respect normally accorded their deceased spiritual leaders.

It's a subtle affront to be sure, but it's obvious to those with eyes wide open and serves as a visible testament to the pettiness of the College of Cardinals, who were no doubt consulted on the protocols of Benedict's funeral.

As I stated in the post just above this one, schisms in Rome have been around a very, very long time and take many forms!
 Quoting: GSB/LTD


ratzinger was a humble, devout man. when he came out strongly against homosexuality, trafficking, marxism, and all of the other evils of this world, he was pressured to resign. read his books and see what a strong Christian man he was. The Jesus narratives are especially exceptional. The rulers of this world hated this man.
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He never came out strongly about any of those things. He was a whimp who because he was a scholar, and that is where his primary attention was, didn't pay serious attention to what was going on around him. His attitude was mostly one of disbelief.

But what I find strange here is that he was noted to be quite the dude. His clothes and vestments were the very finest money could buy and hands could make. Mention was always made of his handmade red shoes. I wonder if the brown slippers were even his? There has got to be some deeper meaning here.
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I suspect those are his personal brown loafers. Before posting this thread, my researches of his resignation found several international references concerning his wardrobe [because as you accurately stated he was considered a "un uomo ben vestito"] including his in-office vestments, but particularly the red shoes which he switched out for brown loafers... even though there was no historical precedent since he was only the second Pope to ever resign his office.

So: was he ordered to do this? Again, perhaps! MY best guess is that a small conclave of Cardinals was called to decide how the newly-departed Pontiff wold be displayed to the public... if at all, and we have also witnessed how rarely THAT was during his remaining years of life!

But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't even be bothered to at least give them a nice coat of polish!
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My thoughts here are maybe his resignation had to do with his crisis of faith. He may have realized his whole life was a lie. Thus he took off the red shoes that were representative of the office.

He knew he was dying. The brown shoes were his choice, a statement. He was trapped at the Vatican and could not get out of Babylon the Great. But the brown shoes are his witness to the world. He escaped spiritually. I hope so, for his sake.
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ratzinger was a humble, devout man. when he came out strongly against homosexuality, trafficking, marxism, and all of the other evils of this world, he was pressured to resign. read his books and see what a strong Christian man he was. The Jesus narratives are especially exceptional. The rulers of this world hated this man.
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He never came out strongly about any of those things. He was a whimp who because he was a scholar, and that is where his primary attention was, didn't pay serious attention to what was going on around him. His attitude was mostly one of disbelief.

But what I find strange here is that he was noted to be quite the dude. His clothes and vestments were the very finest money could buy and hands could make. Mention was always made of his handmade red shoes. I wonder if the brown slippers were even his? There has got to be some deeper meaning here.
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I suspect those are his personal brown loafers. Before posting this thread, my researches of his resignation found several international references concerning his wardrobe [because as you accurately stated he was considered a "un uomo ben vestito"] including his in-office vestments, but particularly the red shoes which he switched out for brown loafers... even though there was no historical precedent since he was only the second Pope to ever resign his office.

So: was he ordered to do this? Again, perhaps! MY best guess is that a small conclave of Cardinals was called to decide how the newly-departed Pontiff wold be displayed to the public... if at all, and we have also witnessed how rarely THAT was during his remaining years of life!

But that still doesn't explain why they couldn't even be bothered to at least give them a nice coat of polish!
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My thoughts here are maybe his resignation had to do with his crisis of faith. He may have realized his whole life was a lie. Thus he took off the red shoes that were representative of the office.

He knew he was dying. The brown shoes were his choice, a statement. He was trapped at the Vatican and could not get out of Babylon the Great. But the brown shoes are his witness to the world. He escaped spiritually. I hope so, for his sake.
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I'm an agreement with most of what you surmise, especially regarding Benedict's continued personal, spiritual commitment to his office. My only question would be whether it really was his decision or one forced upon him by those seeking power themselves... something else that history has proven to have happened repeatedly in those not-so-hallowed halls of sanctimony where even shoes have significance!

BTW: the clue that those loafers were really his comes from the large non-skid pads on the soles... something most older folks know all too well!

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When I go fishing I wear fluffy Garfield the Cat slippers.

That's just how I roll when I catch sole!
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When I go fishing I wear fluffy Garfield the Cat slippers.

That's just how I roll when I catch sole!

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Well, you COULD do worse! "Hello Kitty" springs to mind. Keep on casting, you well-shod fisherman!

And thanks for the smile you brought me!
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I just checked the latest pics of Benedict laying in state; at least they got his shoes polished and laid him out on some classier cushions! So that's something...

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I just checked the latest pics of Benedict laying in state; at least they got his shoes polished and laid him out on some classier cushions! So that's something...
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Hey. As long as he's comfortable.
No good deed goes unpunished.
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The Vatican has released the first pictures of Pope Benedict XVI's body laying in state in a chapel, but he's dressed just a little differently than previous dead Pontiffs who were always laid out literally dressed fit to be buried. Noticeably missing are the full vestments of a sitting Pope, presumably withheld since he officially abandoned the throne of St. Peter when he resigned. It's kinda' like Buckingham Palace who -just to make a point- wouldn't allow Prince Harry to wear his military uniform at QEII"s funeral. And, I can at least grasp that kind of logic.

But what about Benedict's SHOES? Traditionally dead Pontiffs are shod in brand-new, bright red [and custom-made] Ferragamo slippers to denote the "shoes of the fisherman" even though there is no historical record that tells us what color shoes the angler-apostle Peter wore. And not to be too picky, but we do know that they certainly wouldn't have been shiny slippers at all but rather crude, unpolished sandals just like everyone else wore. So, there's that.

In fact, as a lay preacher Peter would've restricted his wardrobe to muted humble garments and left the bling to the high temple Priests... where every nomad knew it rightfully belonged!

And speaking of bling, most of that flashy stitching and incredibly intricate embroidery [no doubt created by Nuns who sewed themselves blind] -and those red slippers- were largely products of the opulent Italian renaissance when Gold ruled even more than it does today. I've seen 12th, 13th and 14th-century Papal crowns and vestments and let me tell you, they would've given Liberace a serious run for his money... come to think of it, Lee was also a devout Catholic so now we may know where he got his own fashion sense!

Instead, on Benedict's feet are a pair of scuffed dark brown loafers that have certainly seen better days, right down to the large non-skid pads on the soles. Of course, the devout will spin it by claiming those ratty shoes personify the late Pope's humility [even though that was not one of his more obvious traits]... but I'm not buying it.

But regardless of the reason, it all seems in pretty poor taste to me since those brown shoes look like they could use a good coat of wax.

But then, I'm just a cynical heathen who notices little things like a man's shoes.

Even those of a fisherman.
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The apostle Peter didn’t start the Catholic Church. Simon Peter the sorcerer did.
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The Vatican has released the first pictures of Pope Benedict XVI's body laying in state in a chapel, but he's dressed just a little differently than previous dead Pontiffs who were always laid out literally dressed fit to be buried. Noticeably missing are the full vestments of a sitting Pope, presumably withheld since he officially abandoned the throne of St. Peter when he resigned. It's kinda' like Buckingham Palace who -just to make a point- wouldn't allow Prince Harry to wear his military uniform at QEII"s funeral. And, I can at least grasp that kind of logic.

But what about Benedict's SHOES? Traditionally dead Pontiffs are shod in brand-new, bright red [and custom-made] Ferragamo slippers to denote the "shoes of the fisherman" even though there is no historical record that tells us what color shoes the angler-apostle Peter wore. And not to be too picky, but we do know that they certainly wouldn't have been shiny slippers at all but rather crude, unpolished sandals just like everyone else wore. So, there's that.

In fact, as a lay preacher Peter would've restricted his wardrobe to muted humble garments and left the bling to the high temple Priests... where every nomad knew it rightfully belonged!

And speaking of bling, most of that flashy stitching and incredibly intricate embroidery [no doubt created by Nuns who sewed themselves blind] -and those red slippers- were largely products of the opulent Italian renaissance when Gold ruled even more than it does today. I've seen 12th, 13th and 14th-century Papal crowns and vestments and let me tell you, they would've given Liberace a serious run for his money... come to think of it, Lee was also a devout Catholic so now we may know where he got his own fashion sense!

Instead, on Benedict's feet are a pair of scuffed dark brown loafers that have certainly seen better days, right down to the large non-skid pads on the soles. Of course, the devout will spin it by claiming those ratty shoes personify the late Pope's humility [even though that was not one of his more obvious traits]... but I'm not buying it.

But regardless of the reason, it all seems in pretty poor taste to me since those brown shoes look like they could use a good coat of wax.

But then, I'm just a cynical heathen who notices little things like a man's shoes.

Even those of a fisherman.
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The apostle Peter didn’t start the Catholic Church. Simon Peter the sorcerer did.
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They were one and the same man, so don't try to argue that point! And to be specific: Simon was Peter's ORIGINAL name, but since Jesus called him Cephas which translates from Aramaic into Greek as "Petros" -or Peter- that's how he's commonly called.

But to paraphrase Shakespeare and just satisfy you: "A rose by any other name will still smell as foul."

And for my money whomever did found the Catholic church was very foul, indeed. The trouble is, there are plenty of historical culprits to choose from, not the least of which would be Constantine I [who in 313AD declared Christianity the official religion of Rome for his own political gains, thus guaranteeing the empire's downfall] and his fully-dominating Machiavellian mother, Helena... who was the one who traveled the holy land "miraculously" discovering a string of fake relics including the "true cross", the "Crown of Thorns", Jesus' "robe" and Moses' "burning bush" and then built new temples at every location before she moved on down more dusty -and lucrative- roads.

Those same relics that are today venerated and prayed-before at towering altars in Catholic basilicas all around the world.

So, you are clearly another one who needs to be reminded that HISTORY is your FRIEND.

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But what I find strange here is that he was noted to be quite the dude. His clothes and vestments were the very finest money could buy and hands could make. Mention was always made of his handmade red shoes. I wonder if the brown slippers were even his? There has got to be some deeper meaning here.
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[link to www.vatican.va (secure)]

Most of them were antiques taken from the Vatican former Popes vestments collection that weren't worn since before Pope Pius XII I believe - this was WWII time.

So Pope Benedict XVI who was a Traditionalist, decided to get them out and wear them for special occasions. Christmas, Easter and other holy celebrations. As he was the Pope no one could say anything.

Some of the lace undergarments may have been more recent identical copies handcrafted by Italian ecclesiastical tailors.

This page explains the Pope's attire in detail, including the red shoes.

[link to vestment.co.uk (secure)]

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Origins of ecclesiastical vestments (includes Protestantism and Anglicanism)
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may the horror of the red shoes follow him into the afterlife. only God knows his part
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You got THAT right. ALL of the blood of the innocents is on his hands. Howz he gonna explain those red shoes to the living God Who he will stand before in judgement?

We DO know what those red shoes are made from, right?





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