Is the strawman/"legal fiction" thing actually real? | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79557781 Germany 01/13/2023 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The key is to recognize that it’s a contract. If you take no consideration (including having a mailbox, using your SS number, etc.), then they can’t claim that you owe consideration. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47629675 So rejecting your "legal fiction" is just a convoluted way of saying "go off-grid"? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47554015 United States 01/13/2023 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surely if you refuse to have a fixed address, mailbox, bank account, etc, it would be pretty much impossible to rent somewhere to live as what landlord would risk letting to such an untraceable person? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79557781 The key is to have your own property, then file a suit against the town for property taxes claiming no consideration. See the thread on this site “how to obtain allodial title”. Now, the thread really refers to “fee simple absolute” rather than “allodial” title. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64375340 Serbia 01/13/2023 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The key is to recognize that it’s a contract. If you take no consideration (including having a mailbox, using your SS number, etc.), then they can’t claim that you owe consideration. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47629675 Er... I don't think that's exactly correct. A contract is a legally binding agreement between two or more (equal) sides, and "citizens" are definitely not equal to the "state". I've just checked my (Serbian) documents (state-issued ID card, and my debit/bank card), and yep, they both have my name in all capital letters. What those documents really are, legally, are not contracts, but titles of ownership. My state-issued ID card is a title of ownership that declares that "I" (my strawman persona) am owned by the state of Serbia (legally binding only on the territory of Serbia). The other one (debit card) would legally (probably) mean that "I" (the strawman persona) own access to a certain bank account. I can't claim with absolute certainty that that's exactly how it legally works, but I can make a pretty good guess from all I've learned so far about how cattle branding works... which is where all the state laws about "citizens" (of any state on the planet) come from. If you own a passport, your name should also be in all capital letters, and the only difference from a state-issued ID card would be that a "passport" is a title of ownership that is legally binding on the whole planet. That is to say, if "you" (the cattle) are owned by some state entity on Earth, then if you... cross over to graze on grass (to put it like that) on a piece of land that's owned by some other state entity, then the latter state entity is legally obligated to deliver you back to your "rightful owner" on that "owner's" request. People should definitely read all they can find on the European cattle laws of the 19th century. Again, those are the very same laws that have been applied to all the "citizens" on the planet for the last 100 years or so. Ever wondered why a completely different set of (international) laws exists for seas and oceans? Yep... that's because there were no cattle grazing on seas and oceans in the 19th century, so those places had never been covered by cattle laws either. To answer you question... No, you can't get out of your cattle status by simply claiming that you are not the strawman persona. Cattle branding is not cattle either, but that's not going to stop the cattle owner from claiming their title of ownership over their cattle, is it? You are cattle, either with or without cattle branding (state ID/passport), it's just a matter of who (which state entity on the planet) gets to claim ownership over you that may be undecided (not for very long, though) if you happen to be missing your branding. All the wild tribes of the Amazon, for example, are legally owned by Brazil... and I very much doubt that any of them have either IDs or passports issued by the state of Brazil... or that have even heard of such utterly insane things as IDs and passports to begin with. |