HOW THE US PAVED THE WAY TO MOSCOW’S INVASION OF UKRAINE | |
The Future Hegemon (OP) User ID: 84246919 ![]() 01/17/2023 09:15 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We should have never got involved with Ukraine during the Obama administration we caused this whole debacle and it has cost taxpayers tremendously I thought commanders could order anything.” "They can order the moon to turn blue, too, but it doesn't happen. Listen, Ender, commanders have just as much authority as you let them have. The more you obey them, the more power they have over you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85121588 ![]() 01/17/2023 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80082094 ![]() 01/17/2023 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85121588 Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. No, it's not, it's an American protectorate. The US toppled the legitimate Ukranian government in 2014 and installed a puppet regime to do its job against Russia. The US wants to divide Russia and put its hands on the vast Russian natural resources. Just read the Rand Corporation papers. The Ukrainian people is a victim of the US and its European servants. As Oliver North recently said, "Their blood, our bullets". Russia just wants to exist and be Russia. They are fighting for survival. It's their sacred right. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80082094 ![]() 01/17/2023 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85121588 Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. No, it's not, it's an American protectorate. The US toppled the legitimate Ukranian government in 2014 and installed a puppet regime to do its job against Russia. The US wants to divide Russia and put its hands on the vast Russian natural resources. Just read the Rand Corporation papers. The Ukrainian people is a victim of the US and its European servants. As Oliver North recently said, "Their blood, our bullets". Russia just wants to exist and be Russia. They are fighting for survival. It's their sacred right. They are not Ukrainian "separatists", they are Russians. Russians left inside Ukraine when the Soviet Union fell and Russia was to weak to really discuss the issue of just borders with the West. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80082094 ![]() 01/17/2023 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85121588 Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80082094 ![]() 01/17/2023 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85121588 Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. Of course they did attack! They spent 8 years shelling the Russian regions in the East, causing almost 14,000 deaths, confirmed by the UN. Did you hear in on TV? Of course not! The Russians warned and warned and warned. Did you hear those warnings on TV? Of course not! They were left with no other option but military intervention. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84866949 ![]() 01/17/2023 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nearly a year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the western narrative of an ‘unprovoked’ attack has become impossible to sustain. Quoting: The Future Hegemon Hindsight is a particularly powerful tool for analyzing the Ukraine war, nearly a year after Russia’s invasion. Last February, it sounded at least superficially plausible to characterize Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to send troops and tanks into his neighbor as nothing less than an “unprovoked act of aggression.” Putin was either a madman or a megalomaniac, trying to revive the imperial, expansionist agenda of the Soviet Union. Were his invasion to go unchallenged, he would pose a threat to the rest of Europe. Plucky, democratic Ukraine needed the West’s unreserved support – and a near-limitless supply of weapons – to hold the line against a rogue dictator. But that narrative looks increasingly threadbare, at least if one reads beyond the establishment media – a media that has never sounded quite so monotone, so determined to beat the drum of war, so amnesiac and so irresponsible. Anyone demurring from the past 11 months of relentless efforts to escalate the conflict – resulting in untold deaths and suffering, causing energy prices to skyrocket, leading to global food shortages, and ultimately risking a nuclear exchange – is viewed as betraying Ukraine, and dismissed as an apologist for Putin. No dissent is tolerated. Putin is Hitler, the time is 1938, and anyone seeking to turn down the heat is no different from Britain’s appeasing prime minister, Neville Chamberlain. Or so we have been told. But context is everything. End to ‘forever wars’ Barely six months before Putin invaded Ukraine, President Joe Biden pulled the US military out of Afghanistan after a two-decade occupation. It was the apparent fulfillment of a pledge to end Washington’s “forever wars” that, he warned, “have cost us untold blood and treasure.” The implicit promise was that the Biden administration was going not only to bring home US troops from the Middle East “quagmires” of Afghanistan and Iraq, but also to make sure US taxes stopped flooding abroad to line the pockets of military contractors, arms makers and corrupt foreign officials. US dollars would be spent at home, on solving homegrown problems. But since Russia’s invasion, that assumption has unraveled. Ten months on, it looks fanciful that it was ever considered Biden’s intention. Read full article here: [link to www.blacklistednews.com (secure)] Bullshit. Russia's intervention in the ongoing (since 2014) was completely in accordance with international law and the UN charter. Russia had a responsibility to protect the Russian speaking population on the Donbass which had suffered 14k killed due to indiscriminate shelling. As well, the Russian initial strategy of going in with a light hand nearly worked. In end of March, early April 2023 an agreement along the lines of Minsk I and II was reached in Istanbul was ready for signing when PM Boris Johnson flew in to Kiev to order Zelinsky not to do so. The Deep State was not about to give up their goal of regime change in Moscow and breaking up Russia. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74124476 ![]() 01/17/2023 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | U.S. policy makers have learned that Americans won’t stand (long) for wars that American soldiers fight and die in. It’s the age of the proxy war. Al Qaeda, Ukrainians, etc. Another population fights. We arm them. Americans don’t seem to give two shits about that. |
The Future Hegemon (OP) User ID: 84246919 ![]() 01/17/2023 10:27 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85121588 Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. No, it's not, it's an American protectorate. The US toppled the legitimate Ukranian government in 2014 and installed a puppet regime to do its job against Russia. The US wants to divide Russia and put its hands on the vast Russian natural resources. Just read the Rand Corporation papers. The Ukrainian people is a victim of the US and its European servants. As Oliver North recently said, "Their blood, our bullets". Russia just wants to exist and be Russia. They are fighting for survival. It's their sacred right. ![]() I thought commanders could order anything.” "They can order the moon to turn blue, too, but it doesn't happen. Listen, Ender, commanders have just as much authority as you let them have. The more you obey them, the more power they have over you. |
The Future Hegemon (OP) User ID: 84246919 ![]() 01/17/2023 10:28 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nearly a year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the western narrative of an ‘unprovoked’ attack has become impossible to sustain. Quoting: The Future Hegemon Hindsight is a particularly powerful tool for analyzing the Ukraine war, nearly a year after Russia’s invasion. Last February, it sounded at least superficially plausible to characterize Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to send troops and tanks into his neighbor as nothing less than an “unprovoked act of aggression.” Putin was either a madman or a megalomaniac, trying to revive the imperial, expansionist agenda of the Soviet Union. Were his invasion to go unchallenged, he would pose a threat to the rest of Europe. Plucky, democratic Ukraine needed the West’s unreserved support – and a near-limitless supply of weapons – to hold the line against a rogue dictator. But that narrative looks increasingly threadbare, at least if one reads beyond the establishment media – a media that has never sounded quite so monotone, so determined to beat the drum of war, so amnesiac and so irresponsible. Anyone demurring from the past 11 months of relentless efforts to escalate the conflict – resulting in untold deaths and suffering, causing energy prices to skyrocket, leading to global food shortages, and ultimately risking a nuclear exchange – is viewed as betraying Ukraine, and dismissed as an apologist for Putin. No dissent is tolerated. Putin is Hitler, the time is 1938, and anyone seeking to turn down the heat is no different from Britain’s appeasing prime minister, Neville Chamberlain. Or so we have been told. But context is everything. End to ‘forever wars’ Barely six months before Putin invaded Ukraine, President Joe Biden pulled the US military out of Afghanistan after a two-decade occupation. It was the apparent fulfillment of a pledge to end Washington’s “forever wars” that, he warned, “have cost us untold blood and treasure.” The implicit promise was that the Biden administration was going not only to bring home US troops from the Middle East “quagmires” of Afghanistan and Iraq, but also to make sure US taxes stopped flooding abroad to line the pockets of military contractors, arms makers and corrupt foreign officials. US dollars would be spent at home, on solving homegrown problems. But since Russia’s invasion, that assumption has unraveled. Ten months on, it looks fanciful that it was ever considered Biden’s intention. Read full article here: [link to www.blacklistednews.com (secure)] Bullshit. Russia's intervention in the ongoing (since 2014) was completely in accordance with international law and the UN charter. Russia had a responsibility to protect the Russian speaking population on the Donbass which had suffered 14k killed due to indiscriminate shelling. As well, the Russian initial strategy of going in with a light hand nearly worked. In end of March, early April 2023 an agreement along the lines of Minsk I and II was reached in Istanbul was ready for signing when PM Boris Johnson flew in to Kiev to order Zelinsky not to do so. The Deep State was not about to give up their goal of regime change in Moscow and breaking up Russia. ![]() I thought commanders could order anything.” "They can order the moon to turn blue, too, but it doesn't happen. Listen, Ender, commanders have just as much authority as you let them have. The more you obey them, the more power they have over you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74124476 ![]() 01/17/2023 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia armed seperatists inside Ukraine and when Ukraine tried to clear them out, then they attacked a sovereign country by making it as an excuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85121588 Just imagine this scenario: UK is stronger than USA and arms seperatists inside USA "loyal to crown" and when USA tries to get rid of the pest, UK claims people loyal to the crown getting genocided and attacks USA. This is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country, they have right to exist, they did not attack any part of Russia whatsoever and they can join whichever organization they want. Soviet Union is collapsed, if current Russian leadership can't handle this fact, they can go fuck themselves. You forgot the part about the West-backed coup in 2014 that ousted a democratically elected Ukrainian President. |
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