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Breaking news! Tesla Engineer testifes Elon Musk lied that his Tesla could self drive and that his lie caused numerous deaths

 
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A 2016 video that Tesla used to promote its self-driving technology was staged to show capabilities like stopping at a red light and accelerating at a green light that the system did not have, according to testimony by a senior engineer.

The video, which remains archived on Tesla’s website, was released in October 2016 and promoted on Twitter by Chief Executive Elon Musk as evidence that “Tesla drives itself.”

But the Model X was not driving itself with technology Tesla had deployed, Ashok Elluswamy, director of Autopilot software at Tesla, said in the transcript of a July deposition taken as evidence in a lawsuit against Tesla for a 2018 fatal crash involving a former Apple engineer.

The previously unreported testimony by Elluswamy represents the first time a Tesla employee has confirmed and detailed how the video was produced.



The video carries a tagline saying: “The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.”

Elluswamy said Tesla’s Autopilot team set out to engineer and record a “demonstration of the system’s capabilities” at the request of Musk.

Elluswamy, Musk and Tesla did not respond to a request for commentcomment


Drivers intervened to take control in test runs, he said. When trying to show the Model X could park itself with no driver, a test car crashed into a fence in Tesla’s parking lot, he said.


When Tesla released the video, Musk tweeted, “Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets, then finds a parking spot.”
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A 2016 video that Tesla used to promote its self-driving technology was staged to show capabilities like stopping at a red light and accelerating at a green light that the system did not have, according to testimony by a senior engineer.

The video, which remains archived on Tesla’s website, was released in October 2016 and promoted on Twitter by Chief Executive Elon Musk as evidence that “Tesla drives itself.”

But the Model X was not driving itself with technology Tesla had deployed, Ashok Elluswamy, director of Autopilot software at Tesla, said in the transcript of a July deposition taken as evidence in a lawsuit against Tesla for a 2018 fatal crash involving a former Apple engineer.

The previously unreported testimony by Elluswamy represents the first time a Tesla employee has confirmed and detailed how the video was produced.



The video carries a tagline saying: “The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.”

Elluswamy said Tesla’s Autopilot team set out to engineer and record a “demonstration of the system’s capabilities” at the request of Musk.

Elluswamy, Musk and Tesla did not respond to a request for commentcomment


Drivers intervened to take control in test runs, he said. When trying to show the Model X could park itself with no driver, a test car crashed into a fence in Tesla’s parking lot, he said.


When Tesla released the video, Musk tweeted, “Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets, then finds a parking spot.”
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JUST A STUPID LIBERAL TRYING TO GET ELON TO STOP RELEASINGANY PERSON THAT BELIEVES A ny PAPER IS AN ABSOLUTE MORON1!
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but muh elon mursk is duh man of duh peeble
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but muh elon mursk is duh man of duh peeble
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I kunt think fa myself hurrrr
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but muh elon mursk is duh man of duh peeble
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When lefties loved him I told people he was a pathological lier and conman. Now that righties love him I tell people he is a pathological lier and conman. It was tru then, and it is true now. Anyone who believes Musk is a good person or on their side is a very poor judge of character.
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but muh elon mursk is duh man of duh peeble
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When lefties loved him I told people he was a pathological lier and conman. Now that righties love him I tell people he is a pathological lier and conman. It was tru then, and it is true now. Anyone who believes Musk is a good person or on their side is a very poor judge of character.
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Fucking spell check!
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Well maybe in 2016 but today they DO drive themselves.

There's tons of videos of Tesla owners on YouTube showing the car driving itself. It's pretty impressive actually to look at.
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He said the car drives itself, he did not say the car drives itself sucessfully.

Hahaha.

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Yah but people have these cars now.



So uh...ask the thousands of owners what's up.



Or buy one yourself. Why do we need an email from 2016



Its on the market. Just asking
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but muh elon mursk is duh man of duh peeble
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When lefties loved him I told people he was a pathological lier and conman. Now that righties love him I tell people he is a pathological lier and conman. It was tru then, and it is true now. Anyone who believes Musk is a good person or on their side is a very poor judge of character.
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Elon musk has killed and TORTURED THOUSANDS of monkeys trying to create his version of a matrix


He's an evil made scientist
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i don't see how a promotional video was produced has any relation to how the vehicle performed once they were for sale.

i don't get the logic behind claiming that the self driving was staged for the promotional video was the cause of a death in a production vehicle.
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What have they got against actual COLORS?

Enforced boredom, or they know Tesla people are already nondescript and can't choose stuff like colors.

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... wonder how much the engineer was paid? ... or did "they" have something on him? ... or threatened him or family? ...
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85047159


When lefties loved him I told people he was a pathological lier and conman. Now that righties love him I tell people he is a pathological lier and conman. It was tru then, and it is true now. Anyone who believes Musk is a good person or on their side is a very poor judge of character.
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Fucking spell check!
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Take your "meds" little Karen.
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Physically 'driving' is a rudimentary skill that a 7 year old can master (assuming they could reach the controls).

Driving in the real world to a very high degree requires a significant amount of discretion, prediction, communication, and situational awareness. This all distills down to priorities and estimation of relative probabilities and the weighing of outcomes.

Sure, AIs can make sure it doesn't grossly crash.
Show me an AI that can scan persons sitting on the stoop and the looks on their faces and determine that you shouldn't continue down that street.

Can, in theory, AI do that? Sure, you can incrementally program those things and get closer and closer to expert human performance.

Will they? No. The programming and processing load is huge and it would be politically unpopular. It may in fact be programmed to do the exact opposite to support an agenda.
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JUST A STUPID LIBERAL TRYING TO GET ELON TO STOP RELEASINGANY PERSON THAT BELIEVES A ny PAPER IS AN ABSOLUTE MORON1!
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That's exactly what this is. Musk and Tesla should sue him for slander.
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No shit , planet sherlock
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Elon lied and people DIED!
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Oh nooooo, Elon lied and 10/20/30 people died..
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It is possible for AI piloted vehicles to operate flawlessly. But our roads are fucked up. Even humans can be confused sometimes, resulting in accidents too.
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BS the feature is labeled as "assisted" not self-driving.
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TPTB are now ready to punish Musk for releasing information that was not scheduled for release at that time.
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He said/she said bs.

They're gunning for Elon.

Guess who ... ?
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people pass driving tests all the time but they still get in accidents.

if someone asked a person who was in a car accident to testify if they could drive and they said "yes" would them make them a liar just because they got in accident?

Did Elon testify that the autonomous driving system worked flawlessly?

Im sure there are many stipulations that there small probabilities of accidents occurring.. it sucks but system is still learning...needs to learn in real time.
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Death is not mentioned. It says Tesla told people to use Autopilot with their hands on the steering wheel.

Fuck around and find out! Is what happened.
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[link to nypost.com (secure)]


A 2016 video that Tesla used to promote its self-driving technology was staged to show capabilities like stopping at a red light and accelerating at a green light that the system did not have, according to testimony by a senior engineer.

The video, which remains archived on Tesla’s website, was released in October 2016 and promoted on Twitter by Chief Executive Elon Musk as evidence that “Tesla drives itself.”

But the Model X was not driving itself with technology Tesla had deployed, Ashok Elluswamy, director of Autopilot software at Tesla, said in the transcript of a July deposition taken as evidence in a lawsuit against Tesla for a 2018 fatal crash involving a former Apple engineer.

The previously unreported testimony by Elluswamy represents the first time a Tesla employee has confirmed and detailed how the video was produced.



The video carries a tagline saying: “The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.”

Elluswamy said Tesla’s Autopilot team set out to engineer and record a “demonstration of the system’s capabilities” at the request of Musk.

Elluswamy, Musk and Tesla did not respond to a request for commentcomment


Drivers intervened to take control in test runs, he said. When trying to show the Model X could park itself with no driver, a test car crashed into a fence in Tesla’s parking lot, he said.


When Tesla released the video, Musk tweeted, “Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets, then finds a parking spot.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84015342


JUST A STUPID LIBERAL TRYING TO GET ELON TO STOP RELEASINGANY PERSON THAT BELIEVES A ny PAPER IS AN ABSOLUTE MORON1!
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Ya, Elon's had a target on his back from MSM since the releases started.

Esp the CIA and FBI stuff which makes the agents look like corrupt sacks of garbage.

They mad.





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