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What does the bible say, who or what is the devil? Self created by opposition to Eden? | |
DGN (OP) User ID: 77062792  United States02/02/2023 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Angels sinning vs people sinning Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85192316 Maybe the Bible leaves the impression that God punishes angels more than humans, but sinse humans can't fathom angels they have the impression they are special humans. If angels are like robots or nature without free will that fulfills automatic duties on top of cause and effect in the great domino game then maybe its justified to discard the automatons. But if they have hearts, feelings and intelect, a great multitude of people would cry mercy. Maybe but only in God defying ignorance because of this difference; That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned. ro6:12 Human sin is somehow genetically passed on down thru the ages, like a defective copy of a copy of a copy. Not so with perfect spirit creatures with no excuse for this: Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.. figure that out. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80723911 United States02/02/2023 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Angels sinning vs people sinning Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85192316 Maybe the Bible leaves the impression that God punishes angels more than humans, but sinse humans can't fathom angels they have the impression they are special humans. If angels are like robots or nature without free will that fulfills automatic duties on top of cause and effect in the great domino game then maybe its justified to discard the automatons. But if they have hearts, feelings and intelect, a great multitude of people would cry mercy. 1st Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 77062792 United States02/02/2023 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Angels sinning vs people sinning Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85192316 Maybe the Bible leaves the impression that God punishes angels more than humans, but sinse humans can't fathom angels they have the impression they are special humans. If angels are like robots or nature without free will that fulfills automatic duties on top of cause and effect in the great domino game then maybe its justified to discard the automatons. But if they have hearts, feelings and intelect, a great multitude of people would cry mercy. 1st Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! This is the 144,000 chosen to serve as assistant kings in heaven, not the Great Crowd delivered thru the tribulation, they will be the benefactors of the 1000 year reign on resurrecting/healing all Satan's reign of terror hurt. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80723911 United States02/02/2023 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Angels sinning vs people sinning Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85192316 Maybe the Bible leaves the impression that God punishes angels more than humans, but sinse humans can't fathom angels they have the impression they are special humans. If angels are like robots or nature without free will that fulfills automatic duties on top of cause and effect in the great domino game then maybe its justified to discard the automatons. But if they have hearts, feelings and intelect, a great multitude of people would cry mercy. 1st Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! This is the 144,000 chosen to serve as assistant kings in heaven, not the Great Crowd delivered thru the tribulation, they will be the benefactors of the 1000 year reign on resurrecting/healing all Satan's reign of terror hurt. What Angels do you believe are going to be judged by men ? The one's in Heaven with God or the ones that sinned and was placed in chains? |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 77062792 United States02/02/2023 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Angels sinning vs people sinning Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85192316 Maybe the Bible leaves the impression that God punishes angels more than humans, but sinse humans can't fathom angels they have the impression they are special humans. If angels are like robots or nature without free will that fulfills automatic duties on top of cause and effect in the great domino game then maybe its justified to discard the automatons. But if they have hearts, feelings and intelect, a great multitude of people would cry mercy. 1st Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! This is the 144,000 chosen to serve as assistant kings in heaven, not the Great Crowd delivered thru the tribulation, they will be the benefactors of the 1000 year reign on resurrecting/healing all Satan's reign of terror hurt. What Angels do you believe are going to be judged by men ? The one's in Heaven with God or the ones that sinned and was placed in chains? None, those chosen to serve as kings, after dying are transformed into spirit creatures. But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55“Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting? 1Cor15:50 Last Edited by DGN on 02/02/2023 09:50 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80855121 United States02/02/2023 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What color was the sky before God made it blue" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85191474 Now you feel the skizm and disturbance in your mind, because you think the ansver is in some chapter of the book. When the truth is that it changes color all the time when you walk about in the day, from Grey and overcast to purple and orange at sundown or sunset etc. Just the way God made it. So in this example the loaded question makes you doubt even the most fundamental accepted rules of nature. All this primes you for brainwashing, all it takes now is the instigator to inject his or her narrative into the plot. Go ahead.  BTW the answer is in the book; Then God said: “Let there be luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night, and they will serve as signs for seasons and for days and years. 15 They will serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God went on to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. 17 Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth 18 and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness. Then God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. Ge1 When the greater luminary shines thru the atmosphere it diffuses revealing the blue light spectrum. DGN, lots of metaphors and parables in the Bible. Sometimes not every scripture should be taken literally. Took a very long time to get this planet refined and just right to sustain human life comfortably. Took a very long time just for this lava spewing “hot rock” to cool down, be at the precise distance from the Sun, have photosynthesis, and much more. Can’t even see the sky for a long time because of the hot gases. And besides, our human concept of time is based on the number of times this planet orbits our sun, which is a time measurement only useful for us. The “universal time” for the cosmos is how many revolutions around the centre of the universe, because everything in this universe revolves around the centre at a constant rate. |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 77062792 United States02/02/2023 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What color was the sky before God made it blue" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85191474 Now you feel the skizm and disturbance in your mind, because you think the ansver is in some chapter of the book. When the truth is that it changes color all the time when you walk about in the day, from Grey and overcast to purple and orange at sundown or sunset etc. Just the way God made it. So in this example the loaded question makes you doubt even the most fundamental accepted rules of nature. All this primes you for brainwashing, all it takes now is the instigator to inject his or her narrative into the plot. Go ahead. BTW the answer is in the book; Then God said: “Let there be luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night, and they will serve as signs for seasons and for days and years. 15 They will serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God went on to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. 17 Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth 18 and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness. Then God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. Ge1 When the greater luminary shines thru the atmosphere it diffuses revealing the blue light spectrum. DGN, lots of metaphors and parables in the Bible. Sometimes not every scripture should be taken literally. Took a very long time to get this planet refined and just right to sustain human life comfortably. Took a very long time just for this lava spewing “hot rock” to cool down, be at the precise distance from the Sun, have photosynthesis, and much more. Can’t even see the sky for a long time because of the hot gases. And besides, our human concept of time is based on the number of times this planet orbits our sun, which is a time measurement only useful for us. The “universal time” for the cosmos is how many revolutions around the centre of the universe, because everything in this universe revolves around the centre at a constant rate. Yes what an inconceivable master work of cosmic physics we're trying to understand. Great contribution.   |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85192316 France02/02/2023 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a great effort to make you belive that YOU are the devil. And at the same time all the Greif you have sustained is rightius and justified. Because you are a human that seeks love like a moth to a flame and it is a desire from your heart that you do not control. Like a babe crawling towards its mothers tit and turning over the wine canter on the table making a mess. Dont be fooled. |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 77062792 United States02/02/2023 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a great effort to make you belive that YOU are the devil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85192316 And at the same time all the Greif you have sustained is rightius and justified. Because you are a human that seeks love like a moth to a flame and it is a desire from your heart that you do not control. Like a babe crawling towards its mothers tit and turning over the wine canter on the table making a mess. Dont be fooled. With this encouragement the intergalactically coveted "THIS BUD'S FOR YOU" award is hereby bestowed upon AC316 for situational awareness and spiritual power savvy! |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 75572724 United States02/03/2023 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who or what is the Devil? WOULD YOU SAY that the Devil is . . . A spirit person? A symbol of the evil inside a person? A product of human imagination? WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS The Devil conversed with and “tempted” Jesus. (Matthew 4:1-4) So the Devil is not imaginary, nor is he just a symbol of evil. He is a wicked spirit person. |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 75477310 United States02/04/2023 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can the Devil control people? SOME PEOPLE SAY that control by the Devil is a hoax, while others dread being possessed by evil spirits. What do you think? WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) The Devil exerts great influence over mankind, but he does not control every human. WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE? The Devil uses deception to increase his influence.—2 Corinthians 11:14. Wicked spirits can in some cases take control of people.—Matthew 12:22. With God’s help, you can successfully “oppose the Devil.”—James 4:7. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83510716  Japan02/04/2023 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. Just Satan. But the Angel's who sinned is for another discussion at a later time on our adventure. But we know that he didn't create the Angel's that sinned like he created Satan, because 2nd Peter 2:4 tells us this: For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; And Jude 6 tells us And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. So the answer to your question is no.  Though he didn't create Satans demons, He did Create Satan as a controlled adversary from the beginning, for a purpose, that led to the Angel's sinning, being cast down, all as a part of God's plan. God is completely and totally a Sovereign God in complete control and no one or nothing has thrown a monkey wrench is God's plan from the beginning. Jehovah declared the beginning to End. Isaiah 46:10 "I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’" Beginning: * Jesus states that he is “the beginning of the creation by God.” —Re 3:14. * Jesus is God’s “firstborn” (Col 1:15) as God’s first creation, called “the Word” in his prehuman existence. (Joh 1:1) The word “beginning” in John 1:1 cannot refer to the “beginning” of God the Creator, for he is eternal, having no beginning. (Ps 90:2) It must therefore refer to the beginning of creation, when the Word was brought forth by God as his firstborn Son. The term “beginning” is used in various other texts similarly to describe the start of some period or career or course, such as the “beginning” of the Christian career of those to whom John wrote his first letter (1Jo 2:7; 3:11), the “beginning” of Satan’s rebellious course (1Jo 3:8), or the “beginning” of Judas’ deflection from righteousness. (Joh 6:64; see JUDAS No. 4 [Became Corrupt].) Jesus is the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 3:16) in that he is the only one of God’s sons, spirit or human, created solely by God, for all others were created through, or “by means of,” that firstborn Son. —Col 1:16, 17; )w.org The angel now-called Satan was a manslayer when he began to lie. God knew what He was going to do about that when/after it began. |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 75477310 United States02/04/2023 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80723911 No. Just Satan. But the Angel's who sinned is for another discussion at a later time on our adventure. But we know that he didn't create the Angel's that sinned like he created Satan, because 2nd Peter 2:4 tells us this: For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; And Jude 6 tells us And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. So the answer to your question is no. Though he didn't create Satans demons, He did Create Satan as a controlled adversary from the beginning, for a purpose, that led to the Angel's sinning, being cast down, all as a part of God's plan. God is completely and totally a Sovereign God in complete control and no one or nothing has thrown a monkey wrench is God's plan from the beginning. Jehovah declared the beginning to End. Isaiah 46:10 "I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’" Beginning: * Jesus states that he is “the beginning of the creation by God.” —Re 3:14. * Jesus is God’s “firstborn” (Col 1:15) as God’s first creation, called “the Word” in his prehuman existence. (Joh 1:1) The word “beginning” in John 1:1 cannot refer to the “beginning” of God the Creator, for he is eternal, having no beginning. (Ps 90:2) It must therefore refer to the beginning of creation, when the Word was brought forth by God as his firstborn Son. The term “beginning” is used in various other texts similarly to describe the start of some period or career or course, such as the “beginning” of the Christian career of those to whom John wrote his first letter (1Jo 2:7; 3:11), the “beginning” of Satan’s rebellious course (1Jo 3:8), or the “beginning” of Judas’ deflection from righteousness. (Joh 6:64; see JUDAS No. 4 [Became Corrupt].) Jesus is the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 3:16) in that he is the only one of God’s sons, spirit or human, created solely by God, for all others were created through, or “by means of,” that firstborn Son. —Col 1:16, 17; )w.org The angel now-called Satan was a manslayer when he began to lie. God knew what He was going to do about that when/after it began. Quite OUTSTANDING. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83510716 Japan02/04/2023 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Though he didn't create Satans demons, He did Create Satan as a controlled adversary from the beginning, for a purpose, that led to the Angel's sinning, being cast down, all as a part of God's plan. God is completely and totally a Sovereign God in complete control and no one or nothing has thrown a monkey wrench is God's plan from the beginning. Jehovah declared the beginning to End. Isaiah 46:10 "I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’" Beginning: * Jesus states that he is “the beginning of the creation by God.” —Re 3:14. * Jesus is God’s “firstborn” (Col 1:15) as God’s first creation, called “the Word” in his prehuman existence. (Joh 1:1) The word “beginning” in John 1:1 cannot refer to the “beginning” of God the Creator, for he is eternal, having no beginning. (Ps 90:2) It must therefore refer to the beginning of creation, when the Word was brought forth by God as his firstborn Son. The term “beginning” is used in various other texts similarly to describe the start of some period or career or course, such as the “beginning” of the Christian career of those to whom John wrote his first letter (1Jo 2:7; 3:11), the “beginning” of Satan’s rebellious course (1Jo 3:8), or the “beginning” of Judas’ deflection from righteousness. (Joh 6:64; see JUDAS No. 4 [Became Corrupt].) Jesus is the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 3:16) in that he is the only one of God’s sons, spirit or human, created solely by God, for all others were created through, or “by means of,” that firstborn Son. —Col 1:16, 17; )w.org The angel now-called Satan was a manslayer when he began to lie. God knew what He was going to do about that when/after it began. Quite OUTSTANDING. u r a sweet cuzzin ! |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 75477310 United States02/04/2023 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80723911 Though he didn't create Satans demons, He did Create Satan as a controlled adversary from the beginning, for a purpose, that led to the Angel's sinning, being cast down, all as a part of God's plan. God is completely and totally a Sovereign God in complete control and no one or nothing has thrown a monkey wrench is God's plan from the beginning. Jehovah declared the beginning to End. Isaiah 46:10 "I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’" Beginning: * Jesus states that he is “the beginning of the creation by God.” —Re 3:14. * Jesus is God’s “firstborn” (Col 1:15) as God’s first creation, called “the Word” in his prehuman existence. (Joh 1:1) The word “beginning” in John 1:1 cannot refer to the “beginning” of God the Creator, for he is eternal, having no beginning. (Ps 90:2) It must therefore refer to the beginning of creation, when the Word was brought forth by God as his firstborn Son. The term “beginning” is used in various other texts similarly to describe the start of some period or career or course, such as the “beginning” of the Christian career of those to whom John wrote his first letter (1Jo 2:7; 3:11), the “beginning” of Satan’s rebellious course (1Jo 3:8), or the “beginning” of Judas’ deflection from righteousness. (Joh 6:64; see JUDAS No. 4 [Became Corrupt].) Jesus is the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 3:16) in that he is the only one of God’s sons, spirit or human, created solely by God, for all others were created through, or “by means of,” that firstborn Son. —Col 1:16, 17; )w.org The angel now-called Satan was a manslayer when he began to lie. God knew what He was going to do about that when/after it began. Quite OUTSTANDING. u r a sweet cuzzin !  |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 75477310 United States02/04/2023 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WHAT ELSE CAN WE LEARN FROM THE BIBLE? The Devil uses deception to increase his influence.—2 Corinthians 11:14. Wicked spirits can in some cases take control of people.—Matthew 12:22. With God’s help, you can successfully “oppose the Devil.”—James 4:7. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85193451 United States02/04/2023 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59564231 He was a liar from "the beginning" and he was created that way by God himself for a purpose. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the craftsman who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its task; and I have created the destroyer (that's Satan) to to destroy John 10:10 The thief (That's Satan) comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. 1st Peter 5:8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to destroy John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He (that's Satan) was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 1st Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Satan is a tool. Just like the Watchtower is of its Father Satan and a tool. There is 5 scriptural witnesses that show Satan was created as Satan from the beginning. I challenge you to cite just 1 scripture that says Satan was once a holy angel. Just 1 scripture and I will concede. he did not stand fast in the truth.” (John 8:44) He became a liar and rebelled against God. That doesn't say Satan was once in the truth and left. I understand you have limited 2nd grade level reading and comprehension skills, so I will lay it out for you like a child. "and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him." The word "because" notes the reason being is "There IS NO TRUTH IN HIM" THAT my friend IS THE REASON WHY he did not stand in the truth to begin with If he had been IN the truth and left it would have been written along these lines for context. He did not "remain" in the truth and there "is no longer" truth in him. Wording and the word format is paramount to proper context and learning how to read and comprehend what someone is conveying. Jesus is The Truth. Jesus is not in him. |
