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Video taken 20 miles before E Palestine train derailment showed axle fire

 
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Video taken 20 miles before E Palestine train derailment showed axle fire
At 8:12 p.m. on Feb. 3, the southbound freight train passed by Butech Bliss, an industrial equipment manufacturer in Salem. One car, a few dozen behind the first locomotive, glowed brightly on the bottom as it passed.

A minute later and a mile down the track, a camera at a meat processing plant called Fresh Mark captured the same fiery axle.

On the railroad tracks in front of Fresh Mark, there is an instrument called a hot box detector, which scans the temperature of the passing train axles to ensure they are not overheated. If the device finds a problem, a defect detection alert sounds over the train radio.

Detecting a defect so hot that it would appear to be on fire would require the crew to stop the train immediately and inspect the problem, said Scott Wilcox, a retired Norfolk Southern engineer who worked on the Fort Wayne line, where trains travel between Chicago and the big railyard in the Beaver County town of Conway.

Hot box detectors are typically spaced every 10 to 20 miles apart, Mr. Wilcox said. On this particular track, the next detector after Salem was in East Palestine. The train would have passed that one less than a mile before derailing on Feb. 3.

Full article w/video:

[link to www.post-gazette.com (secure)]
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Thanks.

I took multiple fuck ups to make this happen. Reportedly that is not even a normal route for hazardous loads. Yet this was 20 cars with the most hazardous materials there are.
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Please hit the pin button.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Thanks.

I took multiple fuck ups to make this happen. Reportedly that is not even a normal route for hazardous loads. Yet this was 20 cars with the most hazardous materials there are.
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What was the normal route? Towns all across the country have these dangerous trains passing through. It could happen anywhere and there seems to be no plan in place about what to do or to quickly assist residents.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
 Quoting: judahbenhuer
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
 Quoting: thinking...

More and more I'm thinking this could have been an intentional act?

The handling of the scene afterwards. Only one car was leaking. They used "small explosives" to blow holes in the other tankers that contained PV so it would leak out and they could set it on fire. They did this apparently without making any effort to remove the other less volatile but also highly toxic chemicals from the area first.

Sounds too crazy to be true, but that's what they did.
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
 Quoting: thinking...

More and more I'm thinking this could have been an intentional act?

The handling of the scene afterwards. Only one car was leaking. They used "small explosives" to blow holes in the other tankers that contained PV so it would leak out and they could set it on fire. They did this apparently without making any effort to remove the other less volatile but also highly toxic chemicals from the area first.

Sounds too crazy to be true, but that's what they did.
 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


The axles being on fire doesn't sound like sabotage, though.

There was only on care leaking? Do you know what that car contained? Who blew the holes in the cars and who made that decision?
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
 Quoting: thinking...

More and more I'm thinking this could have been an intentional act?

The handling of the scene afterwards. Only one car was leaking. They used "small explosives" to blow holes in the other tankers that contained PV so it would leak out and they could set it on fire. They did this apparently without making any effort to remove the other less volatile but also highly toxic chemicals from the area first.

Sounds too crazy to be true, but that's what they did.
 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


Seems like it may be TIME to limit the TRAIN SIZES
that can be shipped with these kinds of chemicals on-board.
(True...more COSTLY FOR RAIL COMPANIES...but trains that
can cause "miles-long-disaster-zones" need special attention.)

There are special limits for trains carrying NUKE MATERIALS,
right? With terroism a growing threat to this country's
infrastructure and shipping...some "new THINKING" needs to
happen ASAP!

This is just so sad...Saw another article where a journalist
reported the MAJOR RIVER LINKS to this spill-disaster
possibly affecting areas WAY WAY out of the "hot zones"
of PA and OH...look at this:

:ALLisLost1:
From recent journal report on the Palestine train-disaster
--the RED PLUME was the prevailing TOXIC CLOUD that was
propagating from the spill. WIND DIRECTION is all important
to the accumulative DAMAGE. CHECK NULL-WIND-MAPS if you
are in these areas, for sure!

This makes my heart ache for the wildlife as well as
human "casualties" in the offing. Shit...shit...shit.

cheers
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Please hit the pin button.
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Done.
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Re: Video taken 20 miles before E Palestine train derailment showed axle fire
The EPA posted a report of before and after the incident
[link to response.epa.gov (secure)]

Article explaining what vinyl chloride is and what some of it is used for, namely PVC pipe.
[link to www.post-gazette.com (secure)]

From the article linked above:
"EPA’s data showed that readings at monitors during and after the release, including 10 in Pennsylvania, showed no detectable concentration of phosgene. The readings did pick up some hydrochloric acid in the air but the levels were below what the EPA considers to be dangerous. The monitors also detected hydrogen cyanide — an acid that’s used as rodent poison and in industrial manufacturing and is hazardous to humans — but also at levels below federal exposure guidelines."
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
 Quoting: thinking...

More and more I'm thinking this could have been an intentional act?

The handling of the scene afterwards. Only one car was leaking. They used "small explosives" to blow holes in the other tankers that contained PV so it would leak out and they could set it on fire. They did this apparently without making any effort to remove the other less volatile but also highly toxic chemicals from the area first.

Sounds too crazy to be true, but that's what they did.
 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


The axles being on fire doesn't sound like sabotage, though.

There was only on care leaking? Do you know what that car contained? Who blew the holes in the cars and who made that decision?
 Quoting: thinking...

Axles on fire could easily be sabotage. Somebody said a brake may have been left engaged. Could be accidental, could be intentional?

The leaking car contained Vinyl Chloride, they blew holes in the other four tankers that also contained Vinyl Chloride and set it on fire.

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The EPA posted a report of before and after the incident
[link to response.epa.gov (secure)]

Article explaining what vinyl chloride is and what some of it is used for, namely PVC pipe.
[link to www.post-gazette.com (secure)]

From the article linked above:
"EPA’s data showed that readings at monitors during and after the release, including 10 in Pennsylvania, showed no detectable concentration of phosgene. The readings did pick up some hydrochloric acid in the air but the levels were below what the EPA considers to be dangerous. The monitors also detected hydrogen cyanide — an acid that’s used as rodent poison and in industrial manufacturing and is hazardous to humans — but also at levels below federal exposure guidelines."
 Quoting: The Starbuckian


Do you know who/what "authority" made the decision to blow it up?
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
 Quoting: thinking...

More and more I'm thinking this could have been an intentional act?

The handling of the scene afterwards. Only one car was leaking. They used "small explosives" to blow holes in the other tankers that contained PV so it would leak out and they could set it on fire. They did this apparently without making any effort to remove the other less volatile but also highly toxic chemicals from the area first.

Sounds too crazy to be true, but that's what they did.
 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


The axles being on fire doesn't sound like sabotage, though.

There was only on care leaking? Do you know what that car contained? Who blew the holes in the cars and who made that decision?
 Quoting: thinking...

Axles on fire could easily be sabotage. Somebody said a brake may have been left engaged. Could be accidental, could be intentional?

The leaking car contained Vinyl Chloride, they blew holes in the other four tankers that also contained Vinyl Chloride and set it on fire.


 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


The other four were NOT leaking and they blew those up?

Thanks for posting the Asian guy. I saw him last night. I'd like to ask him if there is a substance that can be used to put out a fire of this boiling gas. Obviously, water can't be used.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
 Quoting: judahbenhuer
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Was the hot box alert system, at Salem, not working or was the conductor sleeping/on his phone/etc?
 Quoting: thinking...

More and more I'm thinking this could have been an intentional act?

The handling of the scene afterwards. Only one car was leaking. They used "small explosives" to blow holes in the other tankers that contained PV so it would leak out and they could set it on fire. They did this apparently without making any effort to remove the other less volatile but also highly toxic chemicals from the area first.

Sounds too crazy to be true, but that's what they did.
 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


Seems like it may be TIME to limit the TRAIN SIZES
that can be shipped with these kinds of chemicals on-board.
(True...more COSTLY FOR RAIL COMPANIES...but trains that
can cause "miles-long-disaster-zones" need special attention.)

There are special limits for trains carrying NUKE MATERIALS,
right? With terroism a growing threat to this country's
infrastructure and shipping...some "new THINKING" needs to
happen ASAP!

This is just so sad...Saw another article where a journalist
reported the MAJOR RIVER LINKS to this spill-disaster
possibly affecting areas WAY WAY out of the "hot zones"
of PA and OH...look at this:

:ALLisLost1:
From recent journal report on the Palestine train-disaster
--the RED PLUME was the prevailing TOXIC CLOUD that was
propagating from the spill. WIND DIRECTION is all important
to the accumulative DAMAGE. CHECK NULL-WIND-MAPS if you
are in these areas, for sure!

This makes my heart ache for the wildlife as well as
human "casualties" in the offing. Shit...shit...shit.

cheers
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Precision Scheduled Railroading: running trains longer with more in train forces over railroad that was never designed to run 15,0000' plus or 20,000 ton plus trains. Maybe out West it could work where the terrain grade profile is flat for miles on end, but these size trains should have never been allowed to run anywhere near the East Coast, which has a much more complex grade profile. And you are correct, there should be separate trains running this kind of hazmat. Instead, the Railroad puts it on a massive mixed freight train, essentially getting two trains for the price of one. There were hearings not long ago about the dangers of PSR but both parties failed to address the issue.
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The other four were NOT leaking and they blew those up?
 Quoting: thinking...

Correct

As reported on NBC, "they used small explosives to blow holes in the train cars hoping the hazardous material will seep into ditches where it can be burned safely away"

A "controlled release" they declared a "success"



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The other four were NOT leaking and they blew those up?
 Quoting: thinking...

Correct

As reported on NBC, they "they used small explosives to blow holes in the train cars hoping the hazardous material will seep into ditches where it can be burned safely away"

A "controlled release" they declared a "success"


 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


Yeah, what does success mean to them? redface
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Wow such great times we live in. Call someone at work the n-word get fired but destroy a whole town ... what get a promotion...

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MAJOR COVER UP

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Hank Hill is not in favor of "hot boxing it".


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The other four were NOT leaking and they blew those up?
 Quoting: thinking...

Correct

As reported on NBC, they "they used small explosives to blow holes in the train cars hoping the hazardous material will seep into ditches where it can be burned safely away"

A "controlled release" they declared a "success"


 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


Yeah, what does success mean to them? redface
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The same as "safe and effective"
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Hank Hill is not in favor of "hot boxing it".


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The other four were NOT leaking and they blew those up?
 Quoting: thinking...

Correct

As reported on NBC, "they used small explosives to blow holes in the train cars hoping the hazardous material will seep into ditches where it can be burned safely away"

A "controlled release" they declared a "success"


 Quoting: CK Dexter Haven


@ 1:14: Scott Deutch, Regional Manager Norfolk Southern Hazardous Materials, is owning this shitshow.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Sil Caggiano, a hazardous materials specialist and former fire department chief, said he was 'surprised' residents were allowed to return home so quickly before all of their homes were tested.

'I would've far rather they did all the testing [first],' he said. 'There's a lot of what ifs, and we're going to be looking at this thing 5, 10, 15, 20 years down the line and wondering, 'Gee, cancer clusters could pop up, you know, well water could go bad.'

He added: 'We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open.'

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In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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So, if this chemical has to be pressurized because it boils at 8 degrees F, how could anyone think drilling holes to "release it into ditches for a controlled burn" would even possible? As soon as it wasn't pressurized it would turn into a boiling gas. Am I missing something?
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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This same type of thing happened here last year. Defective axle drug for about 10 miles before causing a derailment. Luckily the containers were empty so no environmental damage.

Back then I said it should be mandatory to have sensors and cameras so the engineers can monitor all of the train in real time. It would be inexpensive and prevent this from happening.
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