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The fight over access to public land; prevented by private entities. UPDATE! Corner crossing hunters, did not violate private property air space.

 
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The fight over access to public land; prevented by private entities. UPDATE! Corner crossing hunters, did not violate private property air space.
The public should have ease of access to their land for hunting, fishing and recreation. So what happens when that land is surrounded by private ownership parcels, but is only accessible at the corner where the two meet?

Private land owners want to prevent crossing at the corners.

Should we really allow private owners to prevent usage and access to public parcels?

Doing that effectively places those public parcels under private control.

There needs to be public easement corridors at these corner crossings.

In all reality, it's unwarranted theft of public land, by private owners, who believe otherwise. Keeping the public out ensures only the adjacent private property owner has access. The land essentially becomes a private holding of those land owners, which is unjustifiable and unconscionable.

The public needs to hold them and those who have Federal oversight to rectify this, to account to resolve this issue in the public interest.

These land owners should not be allowed to prevent the public from using land that belongs to them.

The Federal Government should enact statutes that remedy this oversight.

The following link details the ongoing issue related to this problem and how some people are fighting to remedy the situation.

Public land crossing creates a private-property conundrum that’s tough to fix [link to www.durangoherald.com (secure)]

House Bill 1066 would allow lawful passage between parcels bordering private property, settling a decades-old conundrum in the West

By Jason Blevins The Colorado Sun
Wednesday, Feb 22, 2023 9:59 AM

What say you? Should private land owners be given the power to prevent the public from accessing public land that simple corner easement right of passage, given to the public could rectify?

I think not. I believe the public should be given easement access rights where these public land issues arise. Doing nothing, means these private land owners, get to treat public land as their own.


*****************UPDATE!**********************

Judge rules Missouri hunters didn't trespass when "corner-crossing" over private land [link to news.yahoo.com (secure)]

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A federal judge ruled that the four Missouri residents didn't trespass when they corner-crossed through the airspace over private land in Wyoming during their 2020 and 2021 hunting trips, sparking a civil lawsuit that had the group facing more than $7 million in alleged damages. [link to news.yahoo.com (secure)]
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What Is a Public Easement?
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Last Modified Date: January 17, 2023

A public easement is a special type of property ownership. When an easement exists on a piece of land, the owner of that land must permit others to use the easement for the stated purpose. If the easement is a public easement, the person who owns the land has to allow members of the public to access a defined area of his land for the reasons stated in the easement.

There are numerous forms of land ownership within the United States and within most other common law states. Most people who own land have a fee simple absolute. This is the simplest and most complete type of property ownership. A person with a fee simple absolute on a piece of land can do anything he wants with it, as long as he doesn't violate other laws.
An easement requires a property owner to allow public access to a limited portion of land for a stated purpose..
An easement requires a property owner to allow public access to a limited portion of land for a stated purpose..

An easement, on the other hand, is a much more limited type of property ownership. An easement is a non-possessory interest, which means that if a person is granted an easement, he does not own the land and cannot use it at will. When the easement is granted, it will stipulate a specific purpose that the portion of land can be used for. [link to www.mylawquestions.com (secure)]
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If there are isolated pieces of public property, the government should constantly attempt to purchase land adjacent to the public land to allow access.

Corner crossing should always be allowed.

It should also be always be legal to float a river through private property.
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The public is a bunch of inconsiderate bastards in general. This just makes it easier for them to go toss their beer cans around somewhere new.

If the public wasn't so diverse and trashy, I'd be in favor of this bill.
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If there are isolated pieces of public property, the government should constantly attempt to purchase land adjacent to the public land to allow access.

Corner crossing should always be allowed.

It should also be always be legal to float a river through private property.
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Agreed!

Thank you for you input.

If I were a land owner who had a portion of public land corner locked by my own, the only reason I would wish to prevent people from crossing those corners is so that the public land in question serves to benefit me only.

In other words.....I would be a greedy self serving shyster!

:jay:
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The public is a bunch of inconsiderate bastards in general. This just makes it easier for them to go toss their beer cans around somewhere new.

If the public wasn't so diverse and trashy, I'd be in favor of this bill.
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Thanks for your input. A good point.

Yet, the government can step in and tell home owners they can't evict people during the pandemic.

It's public land....... it's past time the government steps in and recognizes the need for public access regardless of how private property owners believe it will be treated. As public land, it isn't their land to decide. If they are worried such thing might spill over onto their property......well, they say fences make good neighbors.
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An 8x8 foot square easement (or less) at the corner would be all that is necessary to provide reliable access to the public.

It really isn't that difficult. There are already laws that stipulate how the public is supposed to treat public land.

Private landowners only have say on what happens to their land, not public, UNLESS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO QUIBBLE OVER CORNER CROSSING.

Then, the private land owners are stipulating what is allowable for the public, which isn't how it is supposed to work. They can let anyone they deem worthy to cross and restrict others from doing so, for land they do not own. That is wrong.
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What the hell does that have to do with access to public property? Care to explain? Or should I just delete it?

wtf
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Sections of land set up in a checkerboard fashion by the federal government is purposely done to prevent public access to public land.

Most of that land is least from the federal government not owned by the tenant.

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Very near where I live, there is a lake that is a public lake.

It is a lake that at one time was world renown for it's bass fishing. Years before I was born, it was even fished by one of the Presidents of The United States, I don't recall which one...T. Roosevelt I think.

I fished this lake constantly in my late teen to early adult life. Took my children there and stayed at the access resort in one of the cabins. It was a place of enjoyment and relaxation for me and my family until the owner died and it changed hands and they locked the gate, only allowing people access of their choosing.

Since that time, the only reliable access to this public lake is now closed to the public. You can still hike in over rough rattlesnake infested land if you are physically able, but it's not practical for most people to do.

Read about it here.

Long-closed Chapman Lake, a popular trout, bass, kokanee fishing spot, may reopen [link to www.spokesman.com (secure)]

It is stuff like this that pisses me off.

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Sections of land set up in a checkerboard fashion by the federal government is purposely done to prevent public access to public land.

Most of that land is least from the federal government not owned by the tenant.
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Can you clarify what I highlighted in bold? It doesn't make any sense?

In this thread, we are specifically talking about public land that is open for public use, but access is being limited or prevented by private land owners.
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Fuck that, would you want buses of Chinese tourists on your property to get to some forest. Just buy some land of your own ya cheap bastard. Plenty of public land with easy access.
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Fuck that, would you want buses of Chinese tourists on your property to get to some forest. Just buy some land of your own ya cheap bastard. Plenty of public land with easy access.
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I already own my own land, asshole. Paid in full.

Public land however is for everyone including you and me. No buses of Chinese will be parking on your private property, that isn't what this is about.
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Like Nixon made Alaska the resource lock box for future America. All lies. Our governor is talking about we have billions of dollars of carbon credits there now to tap. What a scam, what a lie.
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You even helicopter bro? How bout hot air balloon. Perhaps a paramotor. Gnomesayin?
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You even helicopter bro? How bout hot air balloon. Perhaps a paramotor. Gnomesayin?
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Did you even read the article?

The Private land owners don't want people crossing over the corners where the public land meets their private land, going from public to public at that juncture.

Literally, a 2x2 foot of space.

A land owner took 4 hunters to court over placing a ladder over the points where public land meet at the corners, bordered on both sides by private land.

They claimed they own the air space over their land.

We are literally talking about a separation of a few feet between these public lands, being used to keep the public off of them.
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Like Nixon made Alaska the resource lock box for future America. All lies. Our governor is talking about we have billions of dollars of carbon credits there now to tap. What a scam, what a lie.
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Carbon credit exchange was never meant for the general populace. It was meant to regulate industry.

Now, they want you and me to use them as the new Global currency, soon to be rolled out.

I don't plan on participating in that anymore than I did the vaccine or masks, which is to say; not at all.
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I’m not saying this is related but the ultimate goal of the world govt is to have most land off-limits to humans as per UN Agenda 21:

https://imgur.com/a/6UQVwy2


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The checkerboard land plots that were created had this as part of the intentional design and selling point. It was calculated into the value of the land from the very get go as they were laying down the railroads.

Any eminent domain forced change of the property rights should have a payment that reflects the very significant nature of the value caused by such a change.
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I never feel good about public access across private land.

Fuck the government. They made the problem in the first place.
There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!

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If there are isolated pieces of public property, the government should constantly attempt to purchase land adjacent to the public land to allow access.

Corner crossing should always be allowed.

It should also be always be legal to float a river through private property.
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Fuck that, they already got too much.

Time to sell most of it back to us for what they paid for it.
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This is something Europe seems to have a better tradition of: That is, The Freedom to Roam.

https ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

one of those thing I got to remind myself to research deeper into
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The public is a bunch of inconsiderate bastards in general. This just makes it easier for them to go toss their beer cans around somewhere new.

If the public wasn't so diverse and trashy, I'd be in favor of this bill.
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That's exactly why it never gets anywhere. The govt isnt interested in creating more ways for people to trash national forests
There was a Christian girl here last week saying the national parks should be opened to the homeless and when i said they trash it like everything she seemed really offended. Glad i didnt say id rather shoot em than let em destroy what good is left
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Updated OP.

Judge finds hunters did not violate private property air space by corner crossing it to reach public land.

yessir
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All public land should have at least one path of easement.

We have 1/2 mile of a river flowing through our property. By law, it is publically accessible AND we must allow activity on the banks (fishing etc.). Do I bitch about it? Hell no there are very few tourists on the river and those who I've met are all very gracious. We get a few duck hunters who might make us jump if they shoot near the closest part of the house, but it's just part of the fun.
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All public land should have at least one path of easement.

We have 1/2 mile of a river flowing through our property. By law, it is publically accessible AND we must allow activity on the banks (fishing etc.). Do I bitch about it? Hell no there are very few tourists on the river and those who I've met are all very gracious. We get a few duck hunters who might make us jump if they shoot near the closest part of the house, but it's just part of the fun.
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