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Esau gave up being chosen by God for LENTils. What will you give up for red vegetables?

 
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Esau gave up being chosen by God for LENTils. What will you give up for red vegetables?
Hopefully you won't give up anything that you think to give up and instead give up what Jesus taught you to give up. Just don't give up on giving up what he told ya.
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"The sale of the birthright took place while Jacob was preparing for his father the dish of lentils which was the usual meal offered to mourners, and over which words of comfort used to be said (comp. N. Brüll in Kobak's "Jeschurun,"viii. 30; B. B. 16b). Esau requested to eat thereof, and then sold his birthright; indulging in blasphemous speeches "


Although the time was not yet ripe, in later generations Esau’s lofty spiritual source would come to fruition. A number of famous converts traced their lineage to him, among them the prophet Obadiah, Onkelos, and Rabbi Meir. (In fact, Esau himself had the status of a J, albeit one who had rebelled against G-d.)

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Esau

Esau

"If you would like to atone for your sins"
"shalom how have you wronged me ? "


Comparison vs Jacob

"only God can atone for your sins"

"beginning of atonement"
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Example, one of my earlier posts

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"The sale of the birthright took place while Jacob was preparing for his father the dish of lentils which was the usual meal offered to mourners, and over which words of comfort used to be said (comp. N. Brüll in Kobak's "Jeschurun,"viii. 30; B. B. 16b). Esau requested to eat thereof, and then sold his birthright; indulging in blasphemous speeches "


Although the time was not yet ripe, in later generations Esau’s lofty spiritual source would come to fruition. A number of famous converts traced their lineage to him, among them the prophet Obadiah, Onkelos, and Rabbi Meir. (In fact, Esau himself had the status of a J, albeit one who had rebelled against G-d.)

 Quoting: luke the duke

Esau

Esau

"If you would like to atone for your sins"
"shalom how have you wronged me ? "

then


Comparison vs Jacob

"only God can atone for your sins"

"beginning of atonement"
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 Quoting: luke the duke


Sometimes those who were sentenced to death were given an alternative, although that alternative was never very pleasant. For example, one convict was given the choice between being burned alive or sticking his hand into a fire to reenact a scene from Roman’s history.

To this day the ancient Romans remain infamous for their dramatic use of spectacle and other forms of entertainment. A lesser known variation of Roman spectacle is the mythological re-enactments that took place during the ludi meridiani (midday spectacle). These performances were not only re-enactments for entertainment's sake, but were also a very real form of execution. The unfortunate souls forced to re-enact the myths...

In the ancient Roman mind, it was not enough to simply read the myths of Greece or act them out on the stage. Instead, the Romans chose to have the myths reenacted in the flesh

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Horace's treatment of the Romulus and Remus story, and on Augustine, who almost brought the two stories together."
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In the future Esau will wrap himself in a tallis, sit down next to Y akov and say to him, “You are my brother”….Y akov will say to him, “My brother, you will not be like me. “I will lead you to death, I will be the pestilence that leads you to Sheol (Hoshea 13,14). Had I upheld decrees that you promulgated against me, I would have been guilty at the eyes of Heaven. Had I violated them, you would have killed me (Yalkut Shimoni, Yirmiahu 333)

“That was Esau’s intention when he told Yakov, “Let us travel together and I will go before you (Genesis 33,12). He wanted them to join together in both this world and the world to come, to meet each other halfway, with each modifying his conduct until they were alike (Yalkut Shimoni, Genesis 133). Indeed, Esau will even adopt certain tenets of J such as monotheism, the Divinity of the Torah, and reward and punishment-but only if Israel will give up some of its heritage. Similarly, according to Tanna D’Bei Eliahu Zuta(19), Esau proposed. “Give up some of the mitzvos that divide us. You will thereby enjoy this world and still have half the world to come. Isn’t that enough? (Bais Halevy, Vayishlach).

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forging contracts under duress is not how you treat your brother
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forging contracts under duress is not how you treat your brother
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Esau was starving to death then Jacob offered him food in exchange for his birthright, instead of giving his starving brother food like a brother should.

He knew this was wrong and his father would never accept it, so he and his mother connived a plan of trickery to deceive their father and steal the birthright of his brother.
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the usurping god then honors the usurping brother, who later formed the religion of usury. They go to the land they are told, murder the inhabitants and steal everything, including the victims wives and daughters, their sons slain like cattle.
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forging contracts under duress is not how you treat your brother
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See a discussion of the difference between Esau and Ishmael in Kol Dodi Dofek, A.D.Goldberg, Ohel, Wycliffe Ohio, p. 73-76. R. Goldberg points out on the basis of various sources that Esau is good on the outside but evil inside. Ishmael, on the other hand, commits all kinds of unspeakable atrocities outside, but on the inside possesses fear of G-d.

Esau had many descendants and they undoubtedly differed in regard to .... Some, like Eliphaz, would not hurt Jacob even under pressure (His father commanded him to fight the sons of Jacob but because he grew up with Job, he did not fight them, Lekach Tov, Shemos 17,8).

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forging contracts under duress is not how you treat your brother
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See a discussion of the difference between Esau and Ishmael in Kol Dodi Dofek, A.D.Goldberg, Ohel, Wycliffe Ohio, p. 73-76. R. Goldberg points out on the basis of various sources that Esau is good on the outside but evil inside. Ishmael, on the other hand, commits all kinds of unspeakable atrocities outside, but on the inside possesses fear of G-d.

Esau had many descendants and they undoubtedly differed in regard to .... Some, like Eliphaz, would not hurt Jacob even under pressure (His father commanded him to fight the sons of Jacob but because he grew up with Job, he did not fight them, Lekach Tov, Shemos 17,8).

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It's all in the Bible. That's the only book you need.





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