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THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors

 
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THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors
The Russian army is welding 80-year-old gun mounts, originally built to arm patrol boats, onto 70-year-old armored tractors—and sending them to Ukraine to get captured by the Ukrainian army.

The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine.
The first of these weirdo MT-LBs started showing up in Ukraine last month. On or before Feb. 3, Ukrainian forces in Vuhledar captured from hapless Russian brigades a 13-ton, two-crew MT-LB sporting a 2M-7 gunboat turret.

The 2M-7 is an over-under pair of 14.5-millimeter machine guns behind a steel shield. It entered service with Soviet forces in 1945.

In early March, photos circulated online depicting MT-LBs with 2M-3 naval turrets welded to their roofs. The 2M-3 is two 25-millimeter auto-cannons, one atop the other in an enclosed casing. The 2M-3 made its debut in 1953.

A Russian MT-LB/2M-3 shoots no farther than 2,700 yards while engaging targets on the ground. So the Russian Frankenvehicle must get a lot closer to the enemy in order to be effective. The problem is that the MT-LB is thinly-armored. Its steel hull is half an inch thick at its thickest. A determined Ukrainian machine-gunner could take out an MT-LB from 1,600 yards, giving the MT-LB crew a small range advantage in that particular match-up.

But Ukrainian missile teams, tankers and artillery gunners—including the crews of MT-LB-12s—can hit the weirdo Russian vehicles from thousands of yards beyond the weirdos’ own firing range. That might not be such a big problem if the MT-LB were better-protected.

It’s not hard to see why the Russian army has resorted to up-arming MT-LBs and sending them to the front. After losing more than 9,000 tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and howitzers in the first year of its wider war on Ukraine, the Russians are running low on modern armored vehicles—and they can’t build new ones fast enough to make up for it.

Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors.


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Wait until you see their grenades made from walnuts.
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Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors
The Russian army is welding 80-year-old gun mounts, originally built to arm patrol boats, onto 70-year-old armored tractors—and sending them to Ukraine to get captured by the Ukrainian army.

The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine.
The first of these weirdo MT-LBs started showing up in Ukraine last month. On or before Feb. 3, Ukrainian forces in Vuhledar captured from hapless Russian brigades a 13-ton, two-crew MT-LB sporting a 2M-7 gunboat turret.

The 2M-7 is an over-under pair of 14.5-millimeter machine guns behind a steel shield. It entered service with Soviet forces in 1945.

In early March, photos circulated online depicting MT-LBs with 2M-3 naval turrets welded to their roofs. The 2M-3 is two 25-millimeter auto-cannons, one atop the other in an enclosed casing. The 2M-3 made its debut in 1953.

A Russian MT-LB/2M-3 shoots no farther than 2,700 yards while engaging targets on the ground. So the Russian Frankenvehicle must get a lot closer to the enemy in order to be effective. The problem is that the MT-LB is thinly-armored. Its steel hull is half an inch thick at its thickest. A determined Ukrainian machine-gunner could take out an MT-LB from 1,600 yards, giving the MT-LB crew a small range advantage in that particular match-up.

But Ukrainian missile teams, tankers and artillery gunners—including the crews of MT-LB-12s—can hit the weirdo Russian vehicles from thousands of yards beyond the weirdos’ own firing range. That might not be such a big problem if the MT-LB were better-protected.

It’s not hard to see why the Russian army has resorted to up-arming MT-LBs and sending them to the front. After losing more than 9,000 tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and howitzers in the first year of its wider war on Ukraine, the Russians are running low on modern armored vehicles—and they can’t build new ones fast enough to make up for it.

Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors.


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Fake!!
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And here’s what it looks like…check this out



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The Russian army is welding 80-year-old gun mounts, originally built to arm patrol boats, onto 70-year-old armored tractors—and sending them to Ukraine to get captured by the Ukrainian army.

The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine.
The first of these weirdo MT-LBs started showing up in Ukraine last month. On or before Feb. 3, Ukrainian forces in Vuhledar captured from hapless Russian brigades a 13-ton, two-crew MT-LB sporting a 2M-7 gunboat turret.

The 2M-7 is an over-under pair of 14.5-millimeter machine guns behind a steel shield. It entered service with Soviet forces in 1945.

In early March, photos circulated online depicting MT-LBs with 2M-3 naval turrets welded to their roofs. The 2M-3 is two 25-millimeter auto-cannons, one atop the other in an enclosed casing. The 2M-3 made its debut in 1953.

A Russian MT-LB/2M-3 shoots no farther than 2,700 yards while engaging targets on the ground. So the Russian Frankenvehicle must get a lot closer to the enemy in order to be effective. The problem is that the MT-LB is thinly-armored. Its steel hull is half an inch thick at its thickest. A determined Ukrainian machine-gunner could take out an MT-LB from 1,600 yards, giving the MT-LB crew a small range advantage in that particular match-up.

But Ukrainian missile teams, tankers and artillery gunners—including the crews of MT-LB-12s—can hit the weirdo Russian vehicles from thousands of yards beyond the weirdos’ own firing range. That might not be such a big problem if the MT-LB were better-protected.

It’s not hard to see why the Russian army has resorted to up-arming MT-LBs and sending them to the front. After losing more than 9,000 tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and howitzers in the first year of its wider war on Ukraine, the Russians are running low on modern armored vehicles—and they can’t build new ones fast enough to make up for it.

Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors.


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Fake!!
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Nope…there are loads of photos of these things and they’ve already been deployed.
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They are using junk and a mercenary army yet
are steadily marching to Kiev,
which has all the best most modern equipment
the American taxpayer's money can buy?

I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best
of THAT deal.
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They are using junk and a mercenary army yet
are steadily marching to Kiev,
which has all the best most modern equipment
the American taxpayer's money can buy?

I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best
of THAT deal.

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“Steadily marching to Kyiv”

lol

Well they were last March with that 45 mile long convoy driving straight down an open road until they got shot up like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders
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Look,at this thing.

The Ukrainians will never see it coming!



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hmm
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They also got it right in using prisoners as cannon fodder.

Literally kill 2 birds with one stone.
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And if course the internet is all over this.

Here’s the naval version.

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like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders
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BRAVELY ran away!! also they are now out of ammo and the wagner boss says if he doesnt get ammo real soon wagner will collapse and Ukraine Army will sweep into Russia and Russia will lose the war!!!
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Here’s a new variant of the glorious Russian army’s feared MT-LB weapons platform. The one has a sophisticated dual purpose role - it can also swat down those pesky Ukrainian drones that drop grenades.

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How bad is for Ukraine, if the Western propaganda comes up with such massive BS "info", like shovels and whatever the fuck this CGI crap is?
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Shovels and Tractors?
I thought news were from Holland.

lmao
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How bad is for Ukraine, if the Western propaganda comes up with such massive BS "info", like shovels and whatever the fuck this CGI crap is?
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C’mon man.

cruise
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They are using junk and a mercenary army yet
are steadily marching to Kiev,
which has all the best most modern equipment
the American taxpayer's money can buy?

I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best
of THAT deal.

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“Steadily marching to Kyiv”

lol

Well they were last March with that 45 mile long convoy driving straight down an open road until they got shot up like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders
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They changed their strategy in case you haven't
noticed. Where have you been?
They are marching from the East, not the North.
Another few months and there won't be any Ukrainians
left to oppose them, except women and children,
and as I understand it, the Russians (to their credit)
refuse to kill them.
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How bad is for Ukraine, if the Western propaganda comes up with such massive BS "info", like shovels and whatever the fuck this CGI crap is?
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If they could put on most of humanity mouth diapers, sky is the limit.


rofl
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How bad is for Ukraine, if the Western propaganda comes up with such massive BS "info", like shovels and whatever the fuck this CGI crap is?
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You know it right over the target embarrassing when these Russia shills start calling it fake propaganda.
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They are using junk and a mercenary army yet
are steadily marching to Kiev,
which has all the best most modern equipment
the American taxpayer's money can buy?

I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best
of THAT deal.

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“Steadily marching to Kyiv”

lol

Well they were last March with that 45 mile long convoy driving straight down an open road until they got shot up like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77772981


They changed their strategy in case you haven't
noticed. Where have you been?
They are marching from the East, not the North.
Another few months and there won't be any Ukrainians
left to oppose them, except women and children,
and as I understand it, the Russians (to their credit)
refuse to kill them.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85390272


Damn, I thought your were going to say your glorious Russian army would be marching into Kyiv in two weeks.
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This Russian MT-LB prototype is particularly effective since it does not have to rely on supply lines for resupply of ammunition. It’s ingeniously designed to use naturally occurring rocks that can be found everywhere in Ukraine.

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Russia also has a large stock of these devastating launchers and has designed a variant for mounting them.

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during WW2 in Odessa, the soviets welded metal slabs on tractors, added a gun and made an ersatz AFV. Remember: a bad tank is better than no tank!
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during WW2 in Odessa, the soviets welded metal slabs on tractors, added a gun and made an ersatz AFV. Remember: a bad tank is better than no tank!
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80 years later, they’re doing the same thing with 80 year old naval guns and 70 year old tractors with half inch armor that can be destroyed by enemies before it’s even within range to fire at them.


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And here’s what it looks like…check this out



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rofl5rofl5rofl5rofl5
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It is funny till they beat you to death with the kitchen sink weapon.
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And here’s what it looks like…check this out



lmao
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rofl5rofl5rofl5rofl5
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Looks like a tank with a massive boner. What did they add to the fuel: Viagra?
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And here’s what it looks like…check this out



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rofl5rofl5rofl5rofl5
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Looks like a tank with a massive boner. What did they add to the fuel: Viagra?
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There’s already a meme for that.

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Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors.

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ivant There is a saying of Stalin's that still holds true today. "Quantity has a quality all of its own."
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Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors.

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:ivant: There is a saying of Stalin's that still holds true today. "Quantity has a quality all of its own."
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Stalin was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people. Is that quantity enough for you?





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