THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84517388 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors The Russian army is welding 80-year-old gun mounts, originally built to arm patrol boats, onto 70-year-old armored tractors—and sending them to Ukraine to get captured by the Ukrainian army. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84233721 The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine. The first of these weirdo MT-LBs started showing up in Ukraine last month. On or before Feb. 3, Ukrainian forces in Vuhledar captured from hapless Russian brigades a 13-ton, two-crew MT-LB sporting a 2M-7 gunboat turret. The 2M-7 is an over-under pair of 14.5-millimeter machine guns behind a steel shield. It entered service with Soviet forces in 1945. In early March, photos circulated online depicting MT-LBs with 2M-3 naval turrets welded to their roofs. The 2M-3 is two 25-millimeter auto-cannons, one atop the other in an enclosed casing. The 2M-3 made its debut in 1953. A Russian MT-LB/2M-3 shoots no farther than 2,700 yards while engaging targets on the ground. So the Russian Frankenvehicle must get a lot closer to the enemy in order to be effective. The problem is that the MT-LB is thinly-armored. Its steel hull is half an inch thick at its thickest. A determined Ukrainian machine-gunner could take out an MT-LB from 1,600 yards, giving the MT-LB crew a small range advantage in that particular match-up. But Ukrainian missile teams, tankers and artillery gunners—including the crews of MT-LB-12s—can hit the weirdo Russian vehicles from thousands of yards beyond the weirdos’ own firing range. That might not be such a big problem if the MT-LB were better-protected. It’s not hard to see why the Russian army has resorted to up-arming MT-LBs and sending them to the front. After losing more than 9,000 tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and howitzers in the first year of its wider war on Ukraine, the Russians are running low on modern armored vehicles—and they can’t build new ones fast enough to make up for it. Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors. [link to www.forbes.com (secure)] Fake!! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 84233721 03/06/2023 05:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors The Russian army is welding 80-year-old gun mounts, originally built to arm patrol boats, onto 70-year-old armored tractors—and sending them to Ukraine to get captured by the Ukrainian army. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84233721 The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine. The first of these weirdo MT-LBs started showing up in Ukraine last month. On or before Feb. 3, Ukrainian forces in Vuhledar captured from hapless Russian brigades a 13-ton, two-crew MT-LB sporting a 2M-7 gunboat turret. The 2M-7 is an over-under pair of 14.5-millimeter machine guns behind a steel shield. It entered service with Soviet forces in 1945. In early March, photos circulated online depicting MT-LBs with 2M-3 naval turrets welded to their roofs. The 2M-3 is two 25-millimeter auto-cannons, one atop the other in an enclosed casing. The 2M-3 made its debut in 1953. A Russian MT-LB/2M-3 shoots no farther than 2,700 yards while engaging targets on the ground. So the Russian Frankenvehicle must get a lot closer to the enemy in order to be effective. The problem is that the MT-LB is thinly-armored. Its steel hull is half an inch thick at its thickest. A determined Ukrainian machine-gunner could take out an MT-LB from 1,600 yards, giving the MT-LB crew a small range advantage in that particular match-up. But Ukrainian missile teams, tankers and artillery gunners—including the crews of MT-LB-12s—can hit the weirdo Russian vehicles from thousands of yards beyond the weirdos’ own firing range. That might not be such a big problem if the MT-LB were better-protected. It’s not hard to see why the Russian army has resorted to up-arming MT-LBs and sending them to the front. After losing more than 9,000 tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and howitzers in the first year of its wider war on Ukraine, the Russians are running low on modern armored vehicles—and they can’t build new ones fast enough to make up for it. Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors. [link to www.forbes.com (secure)] Fake!! Nope…there are loads of photos of these things and they’ve already been deployed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85390272 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors are steadily marching to Kiev, which has all the best most modern equipment the American taxpayer's money can buy? I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best of THAT deal. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77772981 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors They are using junk and a mercenary army yet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85390272 are steadily marching to Kiev, which has all the best most modern equipment the American taxpayer's money can buy? I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best of THAT deal. “Steadily marching to Kyiv” lol Well they were last March with that 45 mile long convoy driving straight down an open road until they got shot up like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77772981 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Look,at this thing. The Ukrainians will never see it coming! https://twitter.com/_/status/1632304621510172672 ![]() |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77772981 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Here’s the naval version. https://twitter.com/_/status/1632471401482317826 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40223333 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77772981 BRAVELY ran away!! also they are now out of ammo and the wagner boss says if he doesnt get ammo real soon wagner will collapse and Ukraine Army will sweep into Russia and Russia will lose the war!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77772981 ![]() 03/06/2023 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Here’s a new variant of the glorious Russian army’s feared MT-LB weapons platform. The one has a sophisticated dual purpose role - it can also swat down those pesky Ukrainian drones that drop grenades. https://twitter.com/_/status/1632290225853456387 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85390272 ![]() 03/06/2023 06:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors They are using junk and a mercenary army yet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85390272 are steadily marching to Kiev, which has all the best most modern equipment the American taxpayer's money can buy? I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best of THAT deal. “Steadily marching to Kyiv” lol Well they were last March with that 45 mile long convoy driving straight down an open road until they got shot up like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders They changed their strategy in case you haven't noticed. Where have you been? They are marching from the East, not the North. Another few months and there won't be any Ukrainians left to oppose them, except women and children, and as I understand it, the Russians (to their credit) refuse to kill them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77772981 ![]() 03/06/2023 06:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors They are using junk and a mercenary army yet Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85390272 are steadily marching to Kiev, which has all the best most modern equipment the American taxpayer's money can buy? I'd say the Russian taxpayers are getting the best of THAT deal. “Steadily marching to Kyiv” lol Well they were last March with that 45 mile long convoy driving straight down an open road until they got shot up like fish in a barrel, turn around and ran away back across the borders They changed their strategy in case you haven't noticed. Where have you been? They are marching from the East, not the North. Another few months and there won't be any Ukrainians left to oppose them, except women and children, and as I understand it, the Russians (to their credit) refuse to kill them. Damn, I thought your were going to say your glorious Russian army would be marching into Kyiv in two weeks. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77772981 ![]() 03/06/2023 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors This Russian MT-LB prototype is particularly effective since it does not have to rely on supply lines for resupply of ammunition. It’s ingeniously designed to use naturally occurring rocks that can be found everywhere in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/_/status/1632470619261399047 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81128022 ![]() 03/06/2023 06:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Russia also has a large stock of these devastating launchers and has designed a variant for mounting them. https://twitter.com/_/status/1632467041201319937 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82426226 ![]() 03/06/2023 07:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors during WW2 in Odessa, the soviets welded metal slabs on tractors, added a gun and made an ersatz AFV. Remember: a bad tank is better than no tank! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74454492 80 years later, they’re doing the same thing with 80 year old naval guns and 70 year old tractors with half inch armor that can be destroyed by enemies before it’s even within range to fire at them. ![]() |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81320247 ![]() 03/06/2023 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Looks like a tank with a massive boner. What did they add to the fuel: Viagra? There’s already a meme for that. https://twitter.com/_/status/1632477330957295617 |
Judethz User ID: 79555498 ![]() 03/06/2023 07:46 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84233721 ![]() |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81320247 ![]() 03/06/2023 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: THIS IS NOT A JOKE: Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84233721 :ivant: There is a saying of Stalin's that still holds true today. "Quantity has a quality all of its own." Stalin was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people. Is that quantity enough for you? |