Economist Harry Dent Expects Biggest Crash in Our Lifetime to Hit Between Now and Mid-June | |
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WisdomSeek (OP) User ID: 82296380 ![]() 04/10/2023 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True but he makes a good point here. He explained that the biggest crash that he is predicting is what the 2008-2009 crash should have been, noting that the S&P 500 was down 57% at that time. “About a year and a half into that crash, central banks just stepped in and just started printing money at unprecedented rates … So that recession didn’t really do its job of flushing out the greatest debt bubble in history,” WisdomSeeker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85601502 ![]() 04/10/2023 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . |
WisdomSeek (OP) User ID: 82296380 ![]() 04/10/2023 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . 30k is breakeven because of the energy cost to mine a bitcoin? Its really that high? WisdomSeeker |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85601502 ![]() 04/10/2023 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . 30k is breakeven because of the energy cost to mine a bitcoin? Its really that high? [link to broward.ghost.io (secure)] those numbers are almost a year old, a significant number of miners relocated to Russia in the past year for lower energy costs but the Bitcoin network is probably still eating around $12B to $15B per year. it's not just the mining cost. there's a cost to support 200 wallets that need constant updates, and there's ISP costs for network traffic. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85601502 ![]() 04/10/2023 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . 30k is breakeven because of the energy cost to mine a bitcoin? Its really that high? [link to broward.ghost.io (secure)] those numbers are almost a year old, a significant number of miners relocated to Russia in the past year for lower energy costs but the Bitcoin network is probably still eating around $12B to $15B per year. it's not just the mining cost. there's a cost to support 200 wallets that need constant updates, and there's ISP costs for network traffic. . the real problem is that the annual mined coins must be halved every four years, otherwise the coinage is exhausted in a few years. this doubles the operating cost. here's an easy exercise... imagine the remaining 1.7 million coins were mined in four years instead of 100. 1.7 million X $30K = $51 billion of income, total. $15 billion energy cost for 4 years = $60 billion cost. You see the problem? . |
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DuckNCover User ID: 53660767 ![]() 04/11/2023 12:43 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I heard, on Fox Business News, that the S&P 500 will drop to at least 3000. That's at least a 20% drop. We shall see when the 1st quarter numbers come out. Inflation is increasing and the Fed will have another 25 basis point hike. Banking crisis is not over with and more banks will go under. The economy is tanking. Long shore men may very well strike on July 1st. This will Close down many ports. Next few months will be very precarious with markets falling at least 20%... If you have any stocks or mutual funds in Value Stocks, then get it out now... ![]() |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85601502 ![]() 04/11/2023 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there's a cap that halves every four years. it's currently at 330K, it goes to 165K in 1st qtr, 2024. the network cost of $15 billion is basically fixed. so 1/2 as many coins mean those coins must double in price. bitcoin has to be around $55K by 1st qtr of 2024 for miners to reach breakeven. . |
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Sir France's Beercan User ID: 83623946 ![]() 04/11/2023 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . What difference does it make if it’s being mined or not? How does that affect its value? They don’t all disappear when the mining stops. A bitcoin is a bitcoin isnt it, regardless of whether new ones are being mined or not? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84697876 ![]() 04/11/2023 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . What difference does it make if it’s being mined or not? How does that affect its value? They don’t all disappear when the mining stops. A bitcoin is a bitcoin isnt it, regardless of whether new ones are being mined or not? the network itself is costing $12b to $15b to operate. that is disguised from end users because it's paid out of coin profits. no coin sales means no network. . |
Sir France's Beercan User ID: 84544349 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . What difference does it make if it’s being mined or not? How does that affect its value? They don’t all disappear when the mining stops. A bitcoin is a bitcoin isnt it, regardless of whether new ones are being mined or not? the network itself is costing $12b to $15b to operate. that is disguised from end users because it's paid out of coin profits. no coin sales means no network. . So the miners pay $12-$15b per year for the network to operate? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33472501 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I am predicting as much as 86% [decline] for the S&P 500 in this crash and 92% on the Nasdaq … Bitcoin will go down more like 95%, 96%.” - Harry Dent Quoting: WisdomSeek [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)] I say silver/gold to the moon! ![]() I say we are in for a ride to start short-term. What you say GLPers? Is he related to dick dent? He has a history of getting hit by bass guitars. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85606579 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85601502 if Bitcoin falls 95%, it's dead. Period. there will be no miners to supply the network. It's not far off right now. Close to 50% of miners were washed out in the past year and $30K price is almost breakeven. . What difference does it make if it’s being mined or not? How does that affect its value? They don’t all disappear when the mining stops. A bitcoin is a bitcoin isnt it, regardless of whether new ones are being mined or not? the network itself is costing $12b to $15b to operate. that is disguised from end users because it's paid out of coin profits. no coin sales means no network. . So the miners pay $12-$15b per year for the network to operate? yes, theyre using 120 terawatts annually right now. [link to news.climate.columbia.edu (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85606579 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sir France's Beercan What difference does it make if it’s being mined or not? How does that affect its value? They don’t all disappear when the mining stops. A bitcoin is a bitcoin isnt it, regardless of whether new ones are being mined or not? the network itself is costing $12b to $15b to operate. that is disguised from end users because it's paid out of coin profits. no coin sales means no network. . So the miners pay $12-$15b per year for the network to operate? yes, theyre using 120 terawatts annually right now. [link to news.climate.columbia.edu (secure)] here's a realtime estimate. [link to ccaf.io (secure)] currently reads 139 twatts. last month is was 120 twatts. that 15% increase is a function of the burst of activity last month as money left banks. see fast it grew? that's a real problem. if bitcoin grows, it uses progressively more energy. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85606579 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84697876 the network itself is costing $12b to $15b to operate. that is disguised from end users because it's paid out of coin profits. no coin sales means no network. . So the miners pay $12-$15b per year for the network to operate? yes, theyre using 120 terawatts annually right now. [link to news.climate.columbia.edu (secure)] here's a realtime estimate. [link to ccaf.io (secure)] currently reads 139 twatts. last month is was 120 twatts. that 15% increase is a function of the burst of activity last month as money left banks. see fast it grew? that's a real problem. if bitcoin grows, it uses progressively more energy. . [link to www.saveonenergy.com (secure)] "The latest commercial Texas electricity rates are 34.25% lower than the national average, at 9.05 cents per kWh." at 10 cents per kwatt, 139 twatts is $13.9 billion. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85606579 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85606579 here's a realtime estimate. [link to ccaf.io (secure)] currently reads 139 twatts. last month is was 120 twatts. that 15% increase is a function of the burst of activity last month as money left banks. see fast it grew? that's a real problem. if bitcoin grows, it uses progressively more energy. . [link to www.saveonenergy.com (secure)] "The latest commercial Texas electricity rates are 34.25% lower than the national average, at 9.05 cents per kWh." at 10 cents per kwatt, 139 twatts is $13.9 billion. . 330k coins x $30k per coin = $9.9 billion. even at $30k price, miners probably have a net loss of several billion ($13b - $9.9b). next year, there will be 165k coins mined. do the math. |
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Sir France's Beercan User ID: 79859891 ![]() 04/11/2023 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here's a realtime estimate. [link to ccaf.io (secure)] currently reads 139 twatts. last month is was 120 twatts. that 15% increase is a function of the burst of activity last month as money left banks. see fast it grew? that's a real problem. if bitcoin grows, it uses progressively more energy. . [link to www.saveonenergy.com (secure)] "The latest commercial Texas electricity rates are 34.25% lower than the national average, at 9.05 cents per kWh." at 10 cents per kwatt, 139 twatts is $13.9 billion. . 330k coins x $30k per coin = $9.9 billion. even at $30k price, miners probably have a net loss of several billion ($13b - $9.9b). next year, there will be 165k coins mined. do the math. What would happen if all the miners stopped mining tomorrow? |