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BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.

 
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BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Group, is advising the Russian authorities to declare the so-called "special military operation" over and concentrate on consolidating its hold on the occupied territories of Ukraine.

Source: Prigozhin in an "article" posted by his press service

Quote: "For the authorities [of the Russian Federation – ed.] and for society as a whole, it is necessary to put a decisive end to the ‘special military operation’.

The ideal option is to announce that the special military operation is over and inform everyone that Russia has achieved the results that it planned, and in a sense, we have actually achieved them. We have ground down a huge number of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and can report to ourselves that our task has been completed.

Theoretically, Russia has already achieved this decisive end by eradicating a large part of Ukraine’s active male population and intimidating another part of it that has fled to Europe.
Russia has cut off the Sea of Azov and a large chunk of the Black Sea, seized a fat chunk of Ukraine's territory, and created a land corridor to Crimea."

Details: Prigozhin insists that all Russia can do is "firmly consolidate and cling to the territories that it already has".

At the same time, Prigozhin believes that there is one problem that the war has caused: "Whereas Ukraine used to be part of former Russia, now it is a completely nationally-oriented state."

He also suggests that if the Ukrainian Armed Forces are successful, Russia could start to collapse, which would lead to massive changes in Russian society.

Prigozhin concludes by saying that the best scenario for Russia would be "an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in which no handouts or negotiations will be possible".

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Damn, if he wants Putin to end his war or else risk the collapse of Russia, I guess things are going swimmingly.
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Here’s what Prigozhin is doing today. It looks like there are hundreds if not thousands of Wagner graves there. This might have something to do with his mindset and wanting to end the war.

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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
That's because Wagner has been bogged down in Bakhmut for months and they don't see the bigger picture.

Ukraine is DONE.


Russia can sweep right thru them if they want to.

So I agree, end the "special military operation" and declare full blown war.


They would raze Kiev to the ground in one day....


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I dont like it. Puts a hamper on my doom. Vlad needs to press forward all the way to Kiev and take it. Then continue advancing west to the Polish border to make NATO retaliate big league. Lets get this world war going.
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
That's because Wagner has been bogged down in Bakhmut for months and they don't see the bigger picture.

Ukraine is DONE.


Russia can sweep right thru them if they want to.

So I agree, end the "special military operation" and declare full blown war.


They would raze Kiev to the ground in one day....


ohyeah
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Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.

Because Ukraine is done.

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I dont like it. Puts a hamper on my doom. Vlad needs to press forward all the way to Kiev and take it. Then continue advancing west to the Polish border to make NATO retaliate big league. Lets get this world war going.
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Recall that Putin tried to push all the way to Kiev in the first week of the invasion with a 45 mile long convoy of fresh troops and armor.

Fail.

You think he should try that again now?
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Until they have Zelensky in custody (dead or alive) , the war isn't over.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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Until they have Zelensky in custody (dead or alive) , the war isn't over.
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It’s over if Putin declares it’s over and withdraws back to Russia.
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
FAKE LINK FROM UKRAINE


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Sorry, Igor but the source is Prigozhin himself in an articleposted by his press service and the link to that is in the article.

Try harder.
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I dont like it. Puts a hamper on my doom. Vlad needs to press forward all the way to Kiev and take it. Then continue advancing west to the Polish border to make NATO retaliate big league. Lets get this world war going.
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They could take it, but what would be the costa of holding it?
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
I dont like it. Puts a hamper on my doom. Vlad needs to press forward all the way to Kiev and take it. Then continue advancing west to the Polish border to make NATO retaliate big league. Lets get this world war going.
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They could take it, but what would be the costa of holding it?
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Take what? After 18 months of war and hundreds of thousands killed on both sides, Russia has managed to seize and occupy around 7% of Ukraine.

See the red areas in the map below:

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Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
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Could be because you are in Russia and your State Censorship Agency has blocked this news.

See the link in the article...the TG channel where Prighozin posted this is from Concord Group, which he owns and he uses for news releases .
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
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Could be because you are in Russia and your State Censorship Agency has blocked this news.

See the link in the article...the TG channel where Prighozin posted this is from Concord Group, which he owns and he uses for news releases .
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
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Is that you, Igor?
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
That's because Wagner has been bogged down in Bakhmut for months and they don't see the bigger picture.

Ukraine is DONE.


Russia can sweep right thru them if they want to.

So I agree, end the "special military operation" and declare full blown war.


They would raze Kiev to the ground in one day....e
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81193198


You must be kidding..

Russian army and airforce AND navy is a joke

They are stuck and created defense positions because they spring offensive is going to smash them.

Wagner is about destroyed as well..

This is just cry baby antics posing as a power play.

Russia couldnt defeat any army. None.

All russian spetnaz is destroyed.

Only untrained cannon fodder remain

This idea you have is max troll or max delusion
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Here’s what Prigozhin is doing today. It looks like there are hundreds if not thousands of Wagner graves there. This might have something to do with his mindset and wanting to end the war.


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That’s a lot of graves

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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
This war is fake. Yes allot of people have died but it makes no sense weapon wise.

If the Ukrainian anti air umbrella is going to be non-existing soon(if that leaked intel is true) I see Russia using high altitude carpet bombing sorties non-stop on Ukrainian strongpoints and staging area's. The fact that Russia has not used that option speaks volumes.

If this war is really for the preservation of Russia because of NATO encirclement. Then Russia is either close to using CBRN weapons to level It's bad going invasion.

I'm just a arm chair general but why haven't they used chemical weapons to just lay waste to Ukrainian positions.

If carpet bombing doesn't work then they will use chemical weapons if that doesn't work it means the breakdown of Russia and a very high chance of nukes being used or getting into rogue elements if Russia fails.

Entire war is a facade shit just doesn't add up.
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I dont like it. Puts a hamper on my doom. Vlad needs to press forward all the way to Kiev and take it. Then continue advancing west to the Polish border to make NATO retaliate big league. Lets get this world war going.
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Recall that Putin tried to push all the way to Kiev in the first week of the invasion with a 45 mile long convoy of fresh troops and armor.

Fail.

You think he should try that again now?
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The US military intelligence that was leaked, says that deaths are seven to one in Russia’s favor. It clearly states that Ukraine is losing badly. Do you guys have some kind of fucking selective memory, or a mental block that keeps you from seeing actual, credible information? Just because your legacy, corporate media tells you a made up story, doesn’t mean that you have to ignore data that has been put out by United States military intelligence. Real shit.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Hypnotized? Granted, Russia took a lot of bad beatings in the process, but by the United States on admission, Ukraine has been losing, and losing badly. Wake the fuck up. If your damn television told you to eat your own shit, you’d probably do it. Open your eyes.
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Ukraine counteroffensive could succeed because of ‘lazy Kremlin elite’, says Russian mercenary chief

Ukraine’s counteroffensive will likely smash through Russia’s defences because Russia’s “decadent elite” has undermined the Kremlin’s war machine, Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has said.

His comments are the most forthright assessment yet from a top Russian commander that the Kremlin’s armies will fail to repel the major Ukrainian attack expected in the coming weeks.

“The Ukrainian army will launch a counteroffensive and somewhere will be able to break through the defences,” he said in an essay published online.

“For Russia, there is a real risk that after the start of the counteroffensive, the situation at the front will worsen,” he said.

Mr Prigozhin, whose profile has grown enormously since the Kremlin ordered his Wagner mercenaries into battle around Bakhmut last summer, has constantly blamed the Russian ministry of defence and Russia’s “lazy elite” for the Kremlin’s failure to defeat Ukraine in a war that Vladimir Putin had expect to win within a week or so.

And in his essay, he again railed against Russia’s “Deep State” which he said was “mired in luxury and bureaucracy” and wanted to negotiate an end to the war.

“Their focus is not on a country or a people, their focus is on their own positions in society, their own comfort and their own capital,” he said.

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Prigozhin is a master troll
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I dont like it. Puts a hamper on my doom. Vlad needs to press forward all the way to Kiev and take it. Then continue advancing west to the Polish border to make NATO retaliate big league. Lets get this world war going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82261079


Recall that Putin tried to push all the way to Kiev in the first week of the invasion with a 45 mile long convoy of fresh troops and armor.

Fail.

You think he should try that again now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80841136


The US military intelligence that was leaked, says that deaths are seven to one in Russia’s favor. It clearly states that Ukraine is losing badly. Do you guys have some kind of fucking selective memory, or a mental block that keeps you from seeing actual, credible information? Just because your legacy, corporate media tells you a made up story, doesn’t mean that you have to ignore data that has been put out by United States military intelligence. Real shit.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Hypnotized? Granted, Russia took a lot of bad beatings in the process, but by the United States on admission, Ukraine has been losing, and losing badly. Wake the fuck up. If your damn television told you to eat your own shit, you’d probably do it. Open your eyes.
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“ The US military intelligence that was leaked, says that deaths are seven to one in Russia’s favor.”

You mean the ones that you guys so amateurishly photoshopped to juice up the casualty numbers?

But even those don’t show seven to one.

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Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
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Could be because you are in Russia and your State Censorship Agency has blocked this news.

See the link in the article...the TG channel where Prighozin posted this is from Concord Group, which he owns and he uses for news releases .
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Nobody blocks T-cannels here, I can read any and all Ukrainian channels and I follow Prigozhins channel. I just red this interview and I can tell that 90% of this atricle does not correspond to what's been actually said. Mostly it is deformation and strong conclusions based on this deformation. Western school of journalism, you know it.
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Prigozhin is a master troll
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And that’s the best this anti-American shill can come up with?

Bert-facepalm
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Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73610660


Is that you, Igor?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83350891


I am not Igor, you arrogant fat fuckwit. Go get ready for transition already.
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
If this war is about Russia preservation. NATO encirlement. Then you would detonate a nuke in a remote location and shiw it in 4K HD to all news outlets. And say that the west needs to fuck off.

If not tactical battlefield nukes will be used. If that doesn't wake up the masses it will be strategic nuclear armageddon.

If Russia was real about it preservation. The concept of MAD is still relevant but It also is starting to blurr.

Shit doesn't add up.
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Nothing like that in local news and T-channels.
Pravda..com.. UA - Ukrainian web site. I would not trust this stuff. BS alert.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73610660


Could be because you are in Russia and your State Censorship Agency has blocked this news.

See the link in the article...the TG channel where Prighozin posted this is from Concord Group, which he owns and he uses for news releases .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84340147


Nobody blocks T-cannels here, I can read any and all Ukrainian channels and I follow Prigozhins channel. I just red this interview and I can tell that 90% of this atricle does not correspond to what's been actually said. Mostly it is deformation and strong conclusions based on this deformation. Western school of journalism, you know it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73610660


So how would you translate this, comrade?

Here’s what he wrote, translated side by side.

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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
Until they have Zelensky in custody (dead or alive) , the war isn't over.
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It’s over if Putin declares it’s over and withdraws back to Russia.
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thats not going to ever happen, the war is over and the trans nwo order army lost.
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Re: BREAKING: Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin calls on Putin to declare "special military operation" over.
This war is fake. Yes allot of people have died but it makes no sense weapon wise.

If the Ukrainian anti air umbrella is going to be non-existing soon(if that leaked intel is true) I see Russia using high altitude carpet bombing sorties non-stop on Ukrainian strongpoints and staging area's. The fact that Russia has not used that option speaks volumes.

If this war is really for the preservation of Russia because of NATO encirclement. Then Russia is either close to using CBRN weapons to level It's bad going invasion.

I'm just a arm chair general but why haven't they used chemical weapons to just lay waste to Ukrainian positions.

If carpet bombing doesn't work then they will use chemical weapons if that doesn't work it means the breakdown of Russia and a very high chance of nukes being used or getting into rogue elements if Russia fails.

Entire war is a facade shit just doesn't add up.
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And how do you think ... Why is the goal of that all ?
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But but I thought Russia was winning?





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