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Anyway, I ran across this a few days back, bookmarked to share when I could get back in. How about.......No dig gardening! Uses less water too!!

[link to www.latimes.com]

From that link:

GARDENING
How to start a no-dig garden
June 12, 2008

PAT MARFISI calls Esther Deans' no-dig method of gardening "absurdly easy." Here, he offers tips on where to buy alfalfa and straw and how to create a 300-square-foot vegetable garden, which took him only two hours to complete:

MATERIALS:

Newspaper, alfalfa, straw, compost, blood meal and bone meal.

BASICS:



1. Lay 10 to 20 sheets of newspaper on the ground -- soil, grass or concrete. This stops weeds and attracts worms. Saturate with water and dust with blood meal and bone meal.

2. Add a pad of alfalfa and dust with blood and bone meal. Bales of hay and straw come apart in 2- to 3-inch-thick pads.

3. Next come 8 inches of straw, again dusted with blood and bone meal. Don't skimp on the alfalfa and straw, Marfisi says, because "this stuff really compresses in the first few weeks and then you lose the benefits of low water need and thriving plants."

4. Wet all this down.

5. Finally, top off with 3 to 4 inches of compost, which also will compress.

6. Now plant seeds or seedlings.

FINDING FODDER

Alfalfa and hay can be found at grain and hay suppliers. There are a few near the L.A. Equestrian Center in Burbank. At Stephens Hay & Grain in Glendale, for example, a 110-pound alfalfa bale is $18.50; a 60-pound bale of straw is $7.50. Delivery is available.

NO DIG BOOKS

"Esther Deans' No Dig Gardening & Leaves of Life," by Esther Deans. The 2001 reprint is available at harpercollins.com.au.

"How to Have a Green Thumb Without an Aching Back: A New Method of Mulch Gardening," by Ruth Stout.

"The One-Straw Revolution," by Masanobu Fukuoka.

--

Lisa Boone
 Quoting: mercury2


I think this is great, and I can really see the value of the straw and alfalfa (green manure and all that), but I think a better method is "lasagna gardening." Bone meal requires bones, ya know? And "lasagna gardening" doesn't compact like the straw/alfalsfa layers do.

[link to www.motherearthnews.com]

Layers:
sod (this is no-dig, and you place the material directly onto your sod lawn)
wet newspaper
peat moss
barn litter
peat moss
compost
peat moss
grass clippings
peat moss
chopped leaves
peat moss
wood ash

My own suggestion is to cover the sodded area with horticultural molasses...spray or dry application...before laying the newspaper. The worms and beneficial critters LOVE that stuff.
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


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I have been researching some of these products. Here are some cool sites with the best prices that I could find. If you find a better price on any of these please post it.

EMERGENCY SEEDS IN A CAN 43.25
[link to www.mvseeds.com]

BEST DEAL ON 16 PIN NEGATIVE ION GENERATOR XJ2000 APPROX 45.00 I have two. They work great.
[link to www.neotecstore.com]

TERMINATOR TWO ORGONE ZAPPER ..... FOR KILLING VIRUSES AND PARASITES
[link to shop.toolsforhealing.com]

FREEZE DRIED VEGGIES
[link to beprepared.com]
or
[link to www.waltonfeed.com]

BICYCLE ENGINE 225 MPG
[link to www.bicycle-engines.com:80]

[link to www.thatsdax.com]

RIGHT WAY SCOOTER FOR 697.00 W/FREE SHIPPING
[link to www.rightwayatv.com]

PORTABLE POWER UNIT WITH AC AND DC TO HOOK UP TO SOLAR OR WIND OR WEZA
[link to www.amazon.com:80]


AIR X 400 WATT WIND TURBINE .... MADE IN USA
[link to store.altenergystore.com]

RECHARGABLE BATTERIES AAA AS LOW AS .46 EA
[link to www.batteryjunction.com]

FREE PLAY BATTERY CHARGERS [link to www.batteryjunction.com:80]

.CHECK OUT THE WEZA FOOT PUMP GENERATOR
[link to www.batteryjunction.com]

GEIGER COUNTERS :)
[link to www.geigercounters.com]

HARBOR FREIGHT TOOLS ..... LOTS OF STUFF TO SPEND MONEY ON .... 9 LED FLASHLIGHTS SOMETIMES FOR A LOW AS 3.99
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

BERKEY LIGHT GRAVITY FED WATER FILTER
[link to www.berkeywater.com]
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The above links were compiled about 3 months ago. I checked after I posted and see that some of the prices have went up a bit.
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Hi, Red. Nice to see you here, as always. I like your 'lasagna recipe'. The bone meal and blood meal are deal-breakers for me, too. We're strict vegetarians, so I'd be shopping around for a replacement in the nutrition layers.

And what the heck is "horticultural molasses"? I've never heard of it. Is this something you buy at a nursery, or a feed store?

I hope your garden's thriving. One of these day's I'll find my camera cords so I can digitize some pix of our urban plot. So far this year, it's "Jdd - 1"... "Snails - 0". I that's a great improvement over last year, I can tell you!



I think this is great, and I can really see the value of the straw and alfalfa (green manure and all that), but I think a better method is "lasagna gardening." Bone meal requires bones, ya know? And "lasagna gardening" doesn't compact like the straw/alfalsfa layers do.

[link to www.motherearthnews.com]

Layers:
sod (this is no-dig, and you place the material directly onto your sod lawn)
wet newspaper
peat moss
barn litter
peat moss
compost
peat moss
grass clippings
peat moss
chopped leaves
peat moss
wood ash

My own suggestion is to cover the sodded area with horticultural molasses...spray or dry application...before laying the newspaper. The worms and beneficial critters LOVE that stuff.
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild
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FYI: Use caution with Harbor Freight. Their prices are cheap, but often the quality is, too.
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Is anyone selling a solar-powered scooter yet? I'm not really interested in converting an electric unless it is REALLY fast and easy. Too, too busy here.
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FABULOUS WATER FILTER [link to www.wellnessgoods.com]

I have had one of these for ten years. It filters out everything and gives you pure water, even if you use dirty river water.

We don't use it every day but I have it handy for when TSHTF. By having this filter I know I will always be able to have safe water to drink. Very comforting.

Add a couple of replacement ceramic filters for it and you are set for life!

[link to www.wellnessgoods.com]

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Hi, Red. Nice to see you here, as always. I like your 'lasagna recipe'. The bone meal and blood meal are deal-breakers for me, too. We're strict vegetarians, so I'd be shopping around for a replacement in the nutrition layers.

And what the heck is "horticultural molasses"? I've never heard of it. Is this something you buy at a nursery, or a feed store?

I hope your garden's thriving. One of these day's I'll find my camera cords so I can digitize some pix of our urban plot. So far this year, it's "Jdd - 1"... "Snails - 0". I that's a great improvement over last year, I can tell you!
 Quoting: Jdd


[link to www.amazon.com]
I'm not recommending this site or this exact product...I'm just giving you an example.

Ingredients:
Horticultural Molasses 100%

Description:
A product of the cane industry very high in natural minerals, enzymes and amino acids. An excellent nitrogen source, molasses feeds the soil microbes and energizes the microbial life of the soil. Excellent for compost piles. Application to plants will increase sugar levels improving resistance to chewing and sucking insects.

Application Recommendations:
Shake well before each use. Apply with pump sprayer or hose end sprayer. One gallon covers 8,000 square feet. Clean sprayer after each application. Do not apply when outside temperature is above 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep out of the reach of children. Not for human consumption or food processing. May cause eye and skin irritation; wash thoroughly with water.

Foliar Feeding: 1-1 1/2 tablespoon per gallon of water every week to 10 days during the growing season.

Soil Amendment: 2-3 tablespoons per gallon every week to 10 days year-round.


[link to www.amazon.com]
(no picture) This is a 50lb bag of the dry molasses.


We use the dry stuff on the lawn. OMG, it smells sooooo wonderful, too. The grass loves it. I use the liquid in a foliar spray for my plants. They do well as long as I remember to spray. I have memory issues. Now, what was I saying?

Anywho, this stuff is great. We can get the liquid at Lowe's. I bought the dry stuff at an organic gardening store up north that's since gone out of business...drat. I'm looking for a local source now.

By the way, Hubby built my fancy-shmancy compost cooker out back, and we are on our THIRD load of high quality organic compost (we are averaging about 20 gallons finished compost per load). The horticultural molasses makes the process speed up nicely.
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Hi, Red. Nice to see you here, as always. I like your 'lasagna recipe'. The bone meal and blood meal are deal-breakers for me, too. We're strict vegetarians, so I'd be shopping around for a replacement in the nutrition layers.

And what the heck is "horticultural molasses"? I've never heard of it. Is this something you buy at a nursery, or a feed store?

I hope your garden's thriving. One of these day's I'll find my camera cords so I can digitize some pix of our urban plot. So far this year, it's "Jdd - 1"... "Snails - 0". I that's a great improvement over last year, I can tell you!


 Quoting: Jdd


Consider seaweed/kelp for your layering. It contains all trace minerals and is very good for producing lush, healthy plants.

[link to www.plantea.com]

or google "seaweed gardening"
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BERKEY LIGHT GRAVITY FED WATER FILTER
[link to www.berkeywater.com]
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Please, please please check out this other website, for a much less expensive price on same purifyer!
I purchased it for 209.00, free shipping, love it,
there is no reason to pay more money!
[link to www.pleasanthillgrain.com (secure)]
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BERKEY LIGHT GRAVITY FED WATER FILTER
[link to www.berkeywater.com]




Please, please please check out this other website, for a much less expensive price on same purifyer!
I purchased it for 209.00, free shipping, love it,
there is no reason to pay more money!
[link to www.pleasanthillgrain.com (secure)]
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Okay, I saw a link above, after i read this, yes this one IS cheaper, 149.00,
[link to www.wellnessgoods.com] plus free shipping. Free is always good, lol.
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Lazer Tripwire

[link to cgi.ebay.com]

Here's a great low-budget solution for protecting your garden from hungry marauders, whether they be neighbors or raccoons. I've done a fair bit of searching for an affordable battery-operated tripwire security system. Most are a few hundred bucks. But this model was a perfect fit for my budget… under $20!

It's actually marketed as a kid's toy, but it works like the real deal. The Lazer Tripwire units are durable plastic, and have an adjustable 'jaw' that let's you secure them to many things (garden posts, fences, etc.). They run on six AAA batteries (see my earlier post on rechargeable batteries and solar chargers in this thread).

You can set-up two, or use three and triangulate the protected space. No one can see the laser beam (but you can see it if you mist it with water). When something or somebody breaks the beam, an alarm goes off. The alarm isn't huge, like a fire alarm, but it's certainly loud enough to send most garden thieves scuttling off into the night.

I bought mine on Ebay for $20, but here's an Ebay seller blowing out a quantity of them for just $11.99 plus $5.95 shipping:
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Here are two of my most recent 'finds'

Powdered Caffeine
[link to www.aonevitamins.com]

You might want to consider stocking up on a bottle of 100% pure crystalline powder caffeine. It's sold in bulk, and mixes smoothly into fruit juices, herbal teas, etc. It won't be of much day-to-day importance for those (like me) who don't drink caffeinated drink, but it could be critically important in an emergency scenario. Your local Starbucks probably won't be open in a scenario where you're on a forced walk or a long drive, or you need to stay up all night to guard the corn patch, fill sandbags during a flood, or other emergency. It's easy to find mint for herbal tea, but caffeine doesn't just grow on trees…
(8 oz. bottle - $88)


Handy Farm Devices: And How to Make Them
[link to www.amazon.com]

This is one of those books that at first glance might seem like nothing more than a trip down memory lane. But in fact, it's filled with an amazing collection of brilliant ideas for tools and apparatus you'll use on the homestead. Really first class inventive solutions for many things: a stone boat (for moving stone), a lightweight orchard ladder, gates that don't sag, a handy wood splitter, farm structures, well houses, bee hives, a baby's cradle, a cheese press and more.
(Used copy - $10.17)
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I just found this thread with recession proofing and I love it!

I also have a very cheep laundry soap recipe from a really cute web site:
[link to www.thefamilyhomestead.com]

Here it is:

You'll need: 1/3 bar fels naptha soap, 1/2 C. Arm and Hammer Washing Soda, 1/2 c. Borax. Grate fels naptha soap to 6 cups of water. Heat until soap melts. Add soda and borax, stir. Remove from heat. Pour 4 C. hot water into bucket. Add soap mixture and stir. Add 1 Gal. + 6 C water. Stir well. Set aside for 24 hours or until it thickens. Use 1/2 C. per load. I also add 2 Tablespoons of regular Purex laundry detergent and 2 Tablespoons of Oxi clean (best price at Costco), the original recipe is low on suds, so the added Purex increases suds.
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Oh, forgot to mention you'll get 2 gallons of soap for under $1.00!
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Thank you, Jdd, for so many good ideas we can think about. Great thread.

I am reminded of Redheaded Stepchild's thread from a couple of years ago, where she and her husband used a clay pot to make a heat source. She gave us pics of how it was put together, then of the finished product, which I saved. I've put off getting the metal braces that holds up the pot. Best be getting to it.
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Cool, I'm glad someone is considering the claypot heater. Here's a link for those who haven't seen it yet.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
The finished heater.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
Washers and bolts thru the hole in the clay pots...

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
The innards...
Requires a med. size pot and a smaller pot that will fit inside. A long bolt is used, and small and large washers are staggered between the two pots and then again on the inside of the smaller pot. These get mighty hot when a candle is lit beneath them.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
Using L-brackets, small bolts, washers, nuts...these can be adjusted so the stand rests level on the saltillo tile's surface (or any hard fire-resistant surface).

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
The finished stand. The clap pot contraption rests on the nuts/bolts at the top of the three L-brackets. You can use longer bolts. We used what we already had here.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
This part is important. The candle MUST be in a fire-resistant container. We used these thick glass votive holders, but then we switched out and started using large tuna cans (cleaned, of course). The tuna cans hold FOUR of the small tea lights. They last about 3-4 hours, and they produce a nice amount of heat. You can keep a 12x12 room at about 65F when the temps outside are below zero just with this heater and 4 tea lights. Last winter, the claypot heater was my ONLY source of heat in the family room (where the computer resides).

You can get bags of tea lights at BIG LOTS.

Never use oils. Never use a candle that's not in a container (glass, metal).

Make sure you stagger the washers inside the pot and between the two pots...washer, nut, bigger washer, nut, washer, nut...but BE GENTLE...you can over-torque and break the pot.

I do recommend that if you are going to buy new pots, you wash them and then put them in a very low temp oven until they are dried out (might take a couple of hours). They stink if you don't. If you are using old pots, scrub them and sanitize them thoroughly and then heat in oven.

Also...have a saucer or a pan lid on hand, or something that won't melt, in case your tea-light fire goes crazy and you have to smother it.

Just look at the pics...you can figure it out. Nothing complicated at all.
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild




Redheaded Stepchild:

I just wanted to say I ran across your pics of the claypot heater. Thanks SO much for sharing it. We've been fiddling around with one but were a bit stumped on the bracket setup.

Thanks again!

PT
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just thought I'd let you know I found a Berkey Light for 22% off price with free shipping.


[link to www.disasterstuff.com]
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Just found this thread.

Great thread!
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Gosh... almost forgot about this thread. Thanks for finding it, Frigg. (Love your Avatar, btw)

Here's a recent 'great find':

Glo-in-the-Dark Rope
Ebay Seller ' bugluver72' - [link to shop.ebay.com]

100 feet of 1/8" inch Nylon Glow Rope, or get a size cut to length. This stuff has a tensile strength of 1,000 pounds, and… it glows in the dark! How many times have you tripped over your tent ropes, or walked into the washline at night. We've got this in our bugout bags for multi-use: camping, path-marking, to make kids feel secure at night, etc. It's on the pricey side, but very nice to have when you need it.
$40 for 100'
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Cool, I'm glad someone is considering the claypot heater. Here's a link for those who haven't seen it yet.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
The finished heater.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
Washers and bolts thru the hole in the clay pots...

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
The innards...
Requires a med. size pot and a smaller pot that will fit inside. A long bolt is used, and small and large washers are staggered between the two pots and then again on the inside of the smaller pot. These get mighty hot when a candle is lit beneath them.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
Using L-brackets, small bolts, washers, nuts...these can be adjusted so the stand rests level on the saltillo tile's surface (or any hard fire-resistant surface).

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
The finished stand. The clap pot contraption rests on the nuts/bolts at the top of the three L-brackets. You can use longer bolts. We used what we already had here.

[link to s116.photobucket.com]
This part is important. The candle MUST be in a fire-resistant container. We used these thick glass votive holders, but then we switched out and started using large tuna cans (cleaned, of course). The tuna cans hold FOUR of the small tea lights. They last about 3-4 hours, and they produce a nice amount of heat. You can keep a 12x12 room at about 65F when the temps outside are below zero just with this heater and 4 tea lights. Last winter, the claypot heater was my ONLY source of heat in the family room (where the computer resides).

You can get bags of tea lights at BIG LOTS.

Never use oils. Never use a candle that's not in a container (glass, metal).

Make sure you stagger the washers inside the pot and between the two pots...washer, nut, bigger washer, nut, washer, nut...but BE GENTLE...you can over-torque and break the pot.

I do recommend that if you are going to buy new pots, you wash them and then put them in a very low temp oven until they are dried out (might take a couple of hours). They stink if you don't. If you are using old pots, scrub them and sanitize them thoroughly and then heat in oven.

Also...have a saucer or a pan lid on hand, or something that won't melt, in case your tea-light fire goes crazy and you have to smother it.

Just look at the pics...you can figure it out. Nothing complicated at all.
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild


I made one, just in case.
But someone juste posted thins link on another thread : [link to www.heatstick.com]
I'm going to modify it to make it like this one (link)
I would advise anyone to make one too. :)
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Check you local salvation army for prep stuff too....some of my scores include:

Coleman 2 burner gas stove $5.00
shortwave radio $8.00
Cast iron hibachi $10.00
folding sterno stove $.50
cast iron dutch oven $3.00
coleman frame backpack $10.00


lots of good stuff....and money goes to good charity....
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an old thread with Great info!
We know more than we know and understand less than we think.
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Lot's of god info here - glad I found it!
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Lot's of good info here - glad I found it!
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