CPS: 41 children taken from sect compound had bone fractures | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 380938 United States 04/30/2008 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh come on! I am against pedophilia and forcing marriage and child birth on young girls. I am also against many of the other things that this group has been ACCUSED of. I don't think it was wrong for the state to step in, although I disagree about the manner in which it was done quite vehemently. But this is ridiculous! Less than 10% of the children had suffered broken bones in the past. And good heavens, some of them suffered more than one broken bone! In a community of people that encourages children to play outside rather than sit in front of a television all day! Jiminy Crickets! What is this world coming to? Children breaking bones. I'm sorry, but I had a broken bone when I was a kid and it was VERY nearly a compound fracture. My sister broke each collarbone, and then broke one of them yet again. No one was beating us. For heavens sake. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 326033 United States 04/30/2008 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your family had broken bones. Let me tell you that this is not normal. You are what is call accident prone. How many auto accidents in your family? I have been around in this work for many years and I can count on one hand the number of kids/adults that I have ever known of who had broken bones. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 380938 United States 04/30/2008 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your family had broken bones. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326033Let me tell you that this is not normal. You are what is call accident prone. How many auto accidents in your family? I have been around in this work for many years and I can count on one hand the number of kids/adults that I have ever known of who had broken bones. Check the statistics. It's very common for children to break bones. On community playgrounds alone (this doesn't count tree-climbing, bike riding, roller-blading, skiing, automobile accidents or just playing around private property)there are 200,000 playground injuries requiring hospital care in the US in a year's time. I'm not accident prone. I had one bad fall on a playground from some wet monkey bars. My sister, as a small child placed both of her arms in long tubes and was playing around and broke her collarbones. Kids do crazy things and they get hurt. It's not a huge deal. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380938 United States 04/30/2008 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just another humble experience, but I remember growing up and being one of the only kids around that had never broken a bone Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376712Exactly. Kids break bones. Actually, I thought for 10% to have broken a bone in the past - if they're counting all children (under 17 or 18) - man, that's not bad at all, especially given their lifestyle. I don't know too many people that haven't broken a bone at some point in their childhood. My husband broke his foot as a child. The girl across the street broke her arm, so did the one at either end of the street. The kid at the end got his tooth knocked out. One girl on our street broke her leg. That's just on our street growing up. I'd say 50% of the kids on our street probably had a broken bone at one time or another. We PLAYED. We popped wheelies, we played chase, we played football, we swung from trees - we were kids and we got hurt PLAYING. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 425767 United States 04/30/2008 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your family had broken bones. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326033Let me tell you that this is not normal. You are what is call accident prone. How many auto accidents in your family? I have been around in this work for many years and I can count on one hand the number of kids/adults that I have ever known of who had broken bones. Are you for real? What did you do as a kid sit inside all day? Accident prone? What work have been in for many years that has left you so sheltered? I hope it's not child protective services! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 272640 United States 04/30/2008 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your family had broken bones. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 425767Let me tell you that this is not normal. You are what is call accident prone. How many auto accidents in your family? I have been around in this work for many years and I can count on one hand the number of kids/adults that I have ever known of who had broken bones. Are you for real? What did you do as a kid sit inside all day? Accident prone? What work have been in for many years that has left you so sheltered? I hope it's not child protective services! I have 3 kids. One colege, one HS, one elementary. Thet play sports (football, basketball, soccer track, baseball) for many many years..NOT ONE BROKEN BONE...not even a fracture. I can count the number of players who did on one hand. So to say broken bones is "nromal" for kids....sorry....can't go along with at all. I think it's a ridiculous assumption. |
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Mickeyblue User ID: 330969 United States 04/30/2008 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too grew up in a nice upper middle class family and had friends from the same cirucumstances and better than 10% of my friends broke bones while growing up without being beaten or abused. My own son broke a bone in his ar falling off of my husband's back playing riding the horsie. Childrens bones are soft. And as on poster pointed out these are active kids. This is an outrage and what we endorse for thes4e people may very well happen to us. The state should not be the parents of our children. nd the state should prpare a case and ducument allegations before removing children from parental protection. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 241043 Netherlands 04/30/2008 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do people actually think that one out of every 10 kids suffer broken bones? There were three kids in our family. We climbed trees, roller skated down a steep driveway and out into the street, jumped off the garage (a dumb thing to do), and fell off our bikes without suffering one broken bone. Nobody in my neighborhood wore a cast, either. I don't recall seeing very many kids wearing a cast in school. So where is it that MULTIPLE FRACTURES is common, even in one out of ten children? That would be abnormal to me! Not one kid in our neighborhood has broken a bone...yet. I had more sprains as an adult! No broken bones. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 326033 United States 04/30/2008 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Children have soft bones yes, that is why they do not usually break; they bend and the plates sometimes separate. You broken people and you kin must have been seriously malnourished. Maybe it was that flourided water that made your bones brittle, which is what it does. If 10% is normal I would think history would show that many died or became disabled or mal formed as a result of broken bones. In those very old days there were not always people around who knew how to deal with the situation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 118113 United States 04/30/2008 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By JOHN [email protected] Quoting: JohnnyCarcinogenAUSTIN -- At least 41 children taken from the polygamist compound in West Texas had suffered bone fractures, some of them multiple times, which suggested a pattern of child abuse, the head of the state’s Child Protective Services told a legislative panel Wednesday morning. Carey Cockerell, commissioner of the agency that oversees the agency tasked with providing emergency care for youngsters at risk of abuse, said that the monthlong inquiry that followed the seizure of more than 460 children from the Yearning For Zion Ranch near Eldorado has been hampered by a lack of cooperation from both children and adults at the compound. "This is the largest removal of children in Texas history by Child Protective Services," Cockerell told the Senate Committee on Health and Human Services. Since the state took custody of the children, many of whom had children of their own or were pregnant, officials have encountered difficulty determining their parentage. Court-ordered DNA testing is ongoing to assist in that effort. But Cockerell told the committee chaired by Lewisville Republican Jane Nelson that both the younger children and those who might be mothers of those children have systematically attempted to mislead investigators and caregivers. Wristbands used to identify children have been tampered with, several women have claimed to be the mother of the same children and women have shared in the breast-feeding duties of the same children, Cockerell said. To avoid jeopardizing the complex investigation into the allegations of widespread abuse at the ranch operated by the breakaway Mormon sect called the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, or FDLS, Nelson instructed committee members to withhold public questions. Cockerell, who said he has made on-site inspections of the children while they were housed in an arena in San Angelo, attempted to assure the panel that children have received topflight care while in state custody. Many have since been reassigned to licensed foster care facilities. The children have been given ample facilities for recreation, clothing and food that conform with their religious beliefs and access to some educational materials. Cockerell complimented the sensitivity of the range of officials who have been assigned to the case. "It was interesting to see DPS troopers in uniform playing kickball and pitch with these children," he said. Child Protective Services is beefing up its caseworker staff to handle the influx of children from the compound as well as its legal staff to handle the ongoing challenge by the sect for the long-term custody of the children, Cockerell said. [link to www.star-telegram.com] Thats some mighty kinky sex , if thats true. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5174 United States 04/30/2008 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I BROKE MY FOOT AT FIVE OR SIX FALLING OUT OF A PINE TREE, MY RIGHT ARM AT 7 ON A JUNGLE GYM, MY THUMB AT 8 PLAYING BASEBALL, DISLOCATED MY SHOULDER FALLING OFF MY BIKE AT 9, MY NOSE IN A FIGHT AT 11, AND FRACTURED MY ANKLE SKIING AT 13. THE ONLY PART MY PARENTS HAD IN ANY OF IT WAS ALLOWING ME TO BE A KID AND TAKE RISKS AND THEN PAYING THE DOCTOR FOR THE CASTS AND BANDAGES. ONCE UPON A TIME KIDS GOT HURT, BUT THEY ALSO HAD CHILDHOODS INSTEAD OF SPENDING THEIR LIVES FIXED IN FRONT OF A GLOWING TUBE WATCHING SPEAR CHUCKERS DO THE JUNGLO WITH HOOCHI MAMAS AS THEY STUFFED THEIR FAT BODIES WITH ASPARTAME AND CHEMICAL LACED JUNK FOOD. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77407 United States 04/30/2008 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your family had broken bones. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326033Let me tell you that this is not normal. You are what is call accident prone. How many auto accidents in your family? I have been around in this work for many years and I can count on one hand the number of kids/adults that I have ever known of who had broken bones. You are so full of shit! I come from a family of 9 children I broke my arm as a kid jumping from a backyard swing when I was six,my older sister when 3 or 4 tripped over one of those old fasion giant walking dolls while running with it. One brother broke a collar bone. I don't even know the numbers of bones the older ones broke but even with those 3 that is over 30% ! I now have 4 grown children 2 of which broke bones as kids... 50% So we are to just assume that 41 out of over 400 which is 10% had broken bones so it's abuse...give me a friggen break! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380938 United States 04/30/2008 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to this study, the average is more than the percentage reflected at the compound. [link to injuryprevention.bmj.com] They didn't do too badly compared to what's average. In fact the compound's percentage of broken bones over the course of a childhood is not bad. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380938 United States 04/30/2008 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to this study, the average is more than the percentage reflected at the compound. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380938[link to injuryprevention.bmj.com] They didn't do too badly compared to what's average. In fact the compound's percentage of broken bones over the course of a childhood is not bad. This study supported 12.8% of children surveyed having broken a bone annually. Of the compound's children, 8.9% broke bones over the course of their childhood. Big deal. That percentage alone causes NO alarm at all. |
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mom of 8 User ID: 425877 United States 04/30/2008 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have eight children. One broke his arm, twice, of his own accord. Most recently trying to see if he could jump over a wall (at 15!) Another broke his arm climbing down a ladder and missing a step. One broke her leg on the trampoline with her sister. One got a skull fracture while chasing a friend and deciding to suddenly alter his course. That's 5 breaks, four kids. That's 50% in my house alone. None were abused, and they all saw a doctor for their injuries. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 353667 United States 04/30/2008 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So if 10% of the kids in a community have broken bones in the past, that constitutes abuse? Well hell, let's start rounding up all the children in all the playgrounds of every school in the country, 'cause they are in DANGER! Shit! Let's go for the kids in all the Mosques since they are all being trained as suicide bombers! WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN!! |
LouisWinthorpeIII User ID: 384893 United States 04/30/2008 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ so they take your children then do their best to try to find anything wrong to build a case? What is this, soviet russia? Oh wait, there is a Chertoff running "home land security" so yeah, it is. Welcome to the USSR. "I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln." -2010 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 287857 United States 04/30/2008 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kids break bones more than we would like Unfortunately there are adults who break kids bones, by accident and by forceful abuse... Bottom line CPS is ruptured itself and TX has a case currently going forward with a specific area being accused of trafficking and sexually abusing minors-these are officials in the same state so I have concerns that are justified However, I will also say that in one practice was a very astute and highly regarded doctor- A kid came in, not a suspicious case at all by me or him. His story was logical and sounded as though an accident caused by the kid. Parents story jived-and the other sibs seemed fine Here comes CPS They were informed by the doctor and myself They did not like what they were told: all is well, no problem here or with this family They started getting verbally aggressive with this doc He disputed them and their theory They removed the child and the family followed to the hospital across the grounds The hospital agreed with the reputable doc-the CPS were not happy-they tried to THREATEN by inferences and so on. Neither the doc at the office nor the ER docs would fold They removed the child-based on what I do not know as they are SOCIAL WORKERS not PHYSICIANS... Then they brought the docs into court-to try and get them to GO ALONG WITH THEIR THEORY AND THEIR DIAGNOSIS Pathetic really, this was before the laws changed-making everyone a potential terrorist by nature of possibly breaking a law-ANY LAW Sad that so many children really do need help and the best we can offer is MORE ABUSE AND INCREASING VICTIMIZATION Like the DOE-once they got involved-test scores PLUMMETED and requirements have had to be lowered just so kids could get into college-seriously dumbed down is an understatement Ron Paul 2008 |
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Supernormal User ID: 21385 United States 04/30/2008 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I predicted that CPS might fabricate evidence to justify the kidnapping. It's a bit like their allegations of minor mothers and spouses. Some of these "minors" likely are adults over 18, who are being held against their will by state authorities. Show the *real* evidence. Let the truth be your religion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 324603 United States 04/30/2008 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so they've done systematic x-raying of all the children??? for what?? undue x-rays will put them in further danger of cancer later in life (possibility). what the heck is "some educational things"??? if they're school age they'd best be providing a great education for each child. they were getting a better education with their parents (brain wise). as for broken bones, the rate of 41 out of 416 having had a or a couple broken bones is a small ratio. really. can't even count the number of people i know who have broken bones from play/sports/trouble they got into. oh the times. can't remove children for what may be previous injuries or normal play breaks. sorry. at least the parents seem to know they're up against a society that will willingly take full custody away and are willing to fight for their kids. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 324603 United States 04/30/2008 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I predicted that CPS might fabricate evidence to justify the kidnapping. It's a bit like their allegations of minor mothers and spouses. Some of these "minors" likely are adults over 18, who are being held against their will by state authorities. Show the *real* evidence. Quoting: Supernormalahhhhhmen. |