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Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it

 
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Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Russian President Vladimir Putin Tuesday cited a 17th-Century map of Europe to back his discredited thesis that Ukraine isn't a real country, a claim that he's used to justify Russia's unprovoked invasion.

But, even on the terms of Putin's thesis, there was a problem: the document clearly marks part of the territory as being "Ukraine."

In a meeting with the chairman of Russia's constitutional court, Valery Zorkin, the two pored over a map made by a 17th century cartographer for France's King Louis XIV.

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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Just a thought on this.

The Peace of Westphalia of 1648 is spine of the rules of the world and the UN thus set a moment in time in which territory should have been snapshotted.

google "1648" 1648 has been suggested as possibly the last year in which the overall human population declined

Of course the Treaty was Violated immediately by RCC as Protestants came to the New World.

The WW0 was the Seven Years war and the Battle of Prague of 1648 ended the The Mysterious Sky Battle Over Nuremberg in 1561. Was 6 Years after Contractum trinius allowed interest rates to be above 1% legally to centralize power back to Rome due to the Indulgences not being paid. Loan sharking proto-IMF started and put the word" Borrow" in art2sec8 of Constitution

thank you front men of BOE Franklin and Hamilton. USA put into this debt system that has existed for Rome to centralize control .

Ukraine means "Boarderlands" between the GREEK and ROMAN and ISLAM on the map
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Ukraine was, and is, a specific geographical area, that is why it was called The Ukraine, like The Rockies, The Ozarks, The Smokies, The Mississippi River.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Putin is correct.

The Ukraine never was a country. It was a region of southern Russia as was The Crimea.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
окраина, "okraina", is the Russian word for "borderland".
It is basically a no-mans land, separating Russia and Europe.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
If you're going to say that The Ukraine was a country, you'll have to say The Crimea and the The Donbass were countries too.

None of them were countries. They were all regions of southern Russia.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Russian President Vladimir Putin Tuesday cited a 17th-Century map of Europe to back his discredited thesis that Ukraine isn't a real country, a claim that he's used to justify Russia's unprovoked invasion.

But, even on the terms of Putin's thesis, there was a problem: the document clearly marks part of the territory as being "Ukraine."

In a meeting with the chairman of Russia's constitutional court, Valery Zorkin, the two pored over a map made by a 17th century cartographer for France's King Louis XIV.

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your proof is nothing... on old maps...
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Putin is correct.

The Ukraine never was a country. It was a region of southern Russia as was The Crimea.
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Correct.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Ukraine was, and is, a specific geographical area, that is why it was called The Ukraine, like The Rockies, The Ozarks, The Smokies, The Mississippi River.
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It used to be called Kha...ia but we can't even mention it.
The homeland of a certain 'peoples' we can not even type.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Putin is correct.

The Ukraine never was a country. It was a region of southern Russia as was The Crimea.
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And boundaries change….

America was never a country until it kicked out the British colonists… Germany was much bigger prior to World War II

Greece once had Constantinople …

What you once had 300 years ago has nothing to do with today
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
The map also says Pacific Ocean.



Is the Pacific ocean a country?


The map also says Arctic circle



Is the Arctic circle a country?



The map also says Ural


Is Ural a mountain range or a country.



Map tard alert.




Fuck Ukraine
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
interesting responses....hence why it was posted....map tard?.....LMAO....
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bump for pooting lovers.....lol
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Russian President Vladimir Putin Tuesday cited a 17th-Century map of Europe to back his discredited thesis that Ukraine isn't a real country, a claim that he's used to justify Russia's unprovoked invasion.

But, even on the terms of Putin's thesis, there was a problem: the document clearly marks part of the territory as being "Ukraine."

In a meeting with the chairman of Russia's constitutional court, Valery Zorkin, the two pored over a map made by a 17th century cartographer for France's King Louis XIV.

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 Quoting: 48Panhead




Even in the MSM article they say "THE AREA" around Kiev.


Do you understand that area is anything, BUT a country?



A LOT of things are on maps...but if there are no borders on that map, names wrote on that map are anything, but countries. Provinces, Districts, Counties, etc.



Seriously people, you CAN'T BE THAT STUPID.



Or maybe you can, considering the "education" that exists in the West since the 80's.

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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Ukraine was, and is, a specific geographical area, that is why it was called The Ukraine, like The Rockies, The Ozarks, The Smokies, The Mississippi River.
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It used to be called Kha...ia but we can't even mention it.
The homeland of a certain 'peoples' we can not even type.
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Your right ..if you even mention anything about that group it's instant banned on this site! I get banned often after I stopped my paid subscription.
Banned often
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
OP can read but cannot interpret what he reads...

Of course the map has 'Ukraine' written on it. It's the name of the region. Being a region didn't make it a country.

I have a map of North America with 'Montana' written on it. Is that a country?
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Hmm yea that’s justificAtion , why can’t they just be honest and say we need to kill billions of people 1 way or another because we think there are too many for our dated system of top down management
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
But the document in fact shows the area near Kyiv labeled as "Ukraine."

An area is not a country.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Putin is correct.

The Ukraine never was a country. It was a region of southern Russia as was The Crimea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80430797


And boundaries change….

America was never a country until it kicked out the British colonists… Germany was much bigger prior to World War II

Greece once had Constantinople …

What you once had 300 years ago has nothing to do with today
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kicked out the british colonists?
what a dumbfuck!
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
OP can read but cannot interpret what he reads...

Of course the map has 'Ukraine' written on it. It's the name of the region. Being a region didn't make it a country.

I have a map of North America with 'Montana' written on it. Is that a country?
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Each state on our map of the U.S. is supposed to be admitted as a Republic, each with their own Constitution. So, in essence, we are 50 Republics united.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
OP can read but cannot interpret what he reads...

Of course the map has 'Ukraine' written on it. It's the name of the region. Being a region didn't make it a country.

I have a map of North America with 'Montana' written on it. Is that a country?
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Each state on our map of the U.S. is supposed to be admitted as a Republic, each with their own Constitution. So, in essence, we are 50 Republics united.
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Yeah, I know, but are they countries? Does each one of them have its own foreign politics and so on? Of course not.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Putin is correct.

The Ukraine never was a country. It was a region of southern Russia as was The Crimea.
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Why anyone need putin to teach history ?
Look at clown poodle Zelenski hiding behind Biden. I think architects behind USA lawless rampage in EU are enemies of human race.
Sweden ,Finland lost brain . Germany castrated itself ,French got pedophile president ,British become brownies
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Russian President Vladimir Putin Tuesday cited a 17th-Century map of Europe to back his discredited thesis that Ukraine isn't a real country, a claim that he's used to justify Russia's unprovoked invasion.

But, even on the terms of Putin's thesis, there was a problem: the document clearly marks part of the territory as being "Ukraine."

In a meeting with the chairman of Russia's constitutional court, Valery Zorkin, the two pored over a map made by a 17th century cartographer for France's King Louis XIV.

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90% of "Ukraine" territory is territory of Russia, Poland, Hungary and Romania. Ukraine never had a king and never achieved anything. It's country of non-achievers and it exist because West want to stall and destroy Russia. These are facts. Anything of value like industry or architecture was built by Russia or Poland. Ukraine can survive under Russia but it won't survive under West's diversity agenda.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Russian President Vladimir Putin Tuesday cited a 17th-Century map of Europe to back his discredited thesis that Ukraine isn't a real country, a claim that he's used to justify Russia's unprovoked invasion.

But, even on the terms of Putin's thesis, there was a problem: the document clearly marks part of the territory as being "Ukraine."

In a meeting with the chairman of Russia's constitutional court, Valery Zorkin, the two pored over a map made by a 17th century cartographer for France's King Louis XIV.

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 Quoting: 48Panhead


You just exposed your IQ.

Just because a map says Ukraine doesn't mean it's a country.

It's a region.

Countries can be named after regions.
You are all still asleep. Being informed of the political, global deceit, lies and propaganda and knowing who really runs the world is NOT being awake. You are all still ASLEEP.
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NATO asked for it. Russia is delivering.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Ukraine was, and is, a specific geographical area, that is why it was called The Ukraine, like The Rockies, The Ozarks, The Smokies, The Mississippi River.
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It used to be called Kha...ia but we can't even mention it.
The homeland of a certain 'peoples' we can not even type.
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Kliff (with a C) Hi talks about these people.

He calls them the name stealers.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Putin is correct.

The Ukraine never was a country. It was a region of southern Russia as was The Crimea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80430797


And boundaries change….

America was never a country until it kicked out the British colonists… Germany was much bigger prior to World War II

Greece once had Constantinople …

What you once had 300 years ago has nothing to do with today
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And boundaries can change again for the same reasons they change before.
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Re: Putin claimed a 400-year-old map proved Ukraine isn't a real country, not noticing it has 'Ukraine' written on it
Notice it has Tartares written across it.
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bump for pooting lovers.....lol
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NATO asked for it. Russia is delivering.
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