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General Popov, commander 58th army in south Ukraine resigned. Says theyve no counter-battery or artillery, soldiers being killed enmass by UKR

 
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General Popov, commander 58th army in south Ukraine resigned. Says theyve no counter-battery or artillery, soldiers being killed enmass by UKR
First of all complaining about his superiors. Only the General Staff of RF is his superior, so it is obvious that it is Gerasimov. He says that he is not listened to, his problems are not perceived.

2. He says they have no counter-battery, no artillery. His soldiers are being killed en masse by Ukrainian artillery. Says there are a number of other problems he can't talk about.

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The Russians have no artillery? Ok now we know 110% this post is bs
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Explaining in an audio message, Popov says he delivered a damning report about the state of Russian counter-battery fire directly to Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov which resulted in his immediate dismissal.

In a four-minute audio message, Popov talks about betrayal from the most senior military leadership, echoing the sentiment expressed by Wagner mercenaries:

"A difficult situation with the leadership emerged. It was a choice between remaining silent and afraid and saying what they wanted to hear, or calling things for what they are. In your name, in the name of all perished comrades-in-arms, I didn’t have the right to lie. Hence I named all the problems that exist today in the army regarding operations, supply. I pointed the attention to the most important tragedy of the modern war - the lack of counter-battery fire, lack of artillery reconnaissance stations, and mass casualties and injuries of our brothers from enemy artillery.

I also raised a number of other issues, expressed them to the highest levels, did it openly and very brutally. Due to this, the seniors likely felt some danger in me and instantly, in one day, put together an order to the Minister of Defence and got rid of me.

As many commanders of regiments and divisions said today, our army was not broken through the front, but our most senior commander hit us in the back, thus treacherously beheading the army in the most difficult period."

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The Russians have no artillery? Ok now we know 110% this post is bs
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You know better than the commander of the Russian 58th army?
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Out the window with you!dead
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Re: General Popov, commander 58th army in south Ukraine resigned. Says theyve no counter-battery or artillery, soldiers being killed enmass by UKR
Absolutley evey commander serves the same term and he the only one during time of conflict so nothing unusual.

Lieutenant General Gennady Troshev (May 1995–July 1997)
Lieutenant General Anatoly Sidyakin (July 1997–August 1999)
Lieutenant General Vladimir Shamanov (August 1999–December 2000)
Major General Valery Gerasimov (February 2001–March 2003)
Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev (March 2003–April 2006)
Lieutenant General Anatoly Khrulyov (4 April 2006–6 May 2010)
Major General Andrey Kartapolov (7 May 2010–30 January 2012)
Major General Andrey Gurulyov (30 January 2012–August 2016, lieutenant general 2014)
Major General Sergey Kuzovlev (August 2016–January 2017)
Major General Yevgeny Nikiforov (January 2017–February 2019, lieutenant general 12 December 2018)
Major General Sergey Ryzhkov (February 2019–September 2020)
Lieutenant General Mikhail Zusko (September 2020–2022)
Major General Ivan Popov (2022–July 2023)
Lieutenant General Denis Lyamin (July 2023–present)
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why would he say such a treasonous thing.

if he was in usa he would be in court already.

makes no sense.
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even if it was true, you'd keep your mouth shut.
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Absolutley evey commander serves the same term and he the only one during time of conflict so nothing unusual.

Lieutenant General Gennady Troshev (May 1995–July 1997)
Lieutenant General Anatoly Sidyakin (July 1997–August 1999)
Lieutenant General Vladimir Shamanov (August 1999–December 2000)
Major General Valery Gerasimov (February 2001–March 2003)
Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev (March 2003–April 2006)
Lieutenant General Anatoly Khrulyov (4 April 2006–6 May 2010)
Major General Andrey Kartapolov (7 May 2010–30 January 2012)
Major General Andrey Gurulyov (30 January 2012–August 2016, lieutenant general 2014)
Major General Sergey Kuzovlev (August 2016–January 2017)
Major General Yevgeny Nikiforov (January 2017–February 2019, lieutenant general 12 December 2018)
Major General Sergey Ryzhkov (February 2019–September 2020)
Lieutenant General Mikhail Zusko (September 2020–2022)
Major General Ivan Popov (2022–July 2023)
Lieutenant General Denis Lyamin (July 2023–present)
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He resigned following his removal, then did this audio recording.

Nothing unusual?
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why would he say such a treasonous thing.

if he was in usa he would be in court already.

makes no sense.
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Indeed. Smells like bs. Especially when considering how things have been developing on the battlefields lately.
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Its disinfo, the Russians have been playing weak and insubordinate for months. Anyone with the slightest idea about the former KGB/GRU and East German Stasi can see this strategy as its legacy.

"I hate my boss Putin", "We are marching on Moscow" bla, bla, bla.
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A Russian general said he had been dismissed as a commander after telling the military leadership about the dire situation at the front in Ukraine, where he said Russian soldiers had been stabbed in the back by the failings of the top military brass.

After the June 24 mutiny by Wagner mercenaries, the biggest domestic challenge to the Russian state in decades, President Vladimir Putin has so far kept Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov in their jobs.

Major General Ivan Popov, who commanded the 58th Combined Arms Army, said in a voice message published by Russian lawmaker Andrei Gurulyov that he had been dismissed after telling the truth to the top brass about the situation at the front.

"The Ukrainian army could not break through our ranks at the front but our senior chief hit us from the rear, viciously beheading the army at the most difficult and intense moment," Popov said.

Popov, whose military call sign was "Spartacus" and who commanded Russian units in southern Ukraine, explicitly raised the deaths of Russian soldiers from Ukrainian artillery and said the army lacked proper counter artillery systems and reconnaissance of enemy artillery.

There was no immediate comment from the defence ministry and Reuters was unable to independently verify the authenticity of the voice message. Lawmaker Gurulyov is a hardline former army commander who regularly appears on Russian state television.

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If Russia can't win then why is absolutely all western media censoring pro Russia stuff?
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why would he say such a treasonous thing.

if he was in usa he would be in court already.

makes no sense.
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I don’t see treason there but he was criticizing the military. Putin signed a new law last year censoring any criticism of the military or the war, punishable with up to 15:years hard labor at a penal colony.
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Re: General Popov, commander 58th army in south Ukraine resigned. Says theyve no counter-battery or artillery, soldiers being killed enmass by UKR
There is no General Popov in the Russian military.
And the commander of the 58th army in south Ukraine is this man:

Zusko Mikhail Stepanovich

[link to structure.mil.ru (secure)]

This is just some Ukrainian/NATO propaganda.
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"June 24 mutiny by Wagner mercenaries"


Mercenaries cannot mutiny, they are paid contract combatants.
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"June 24 mutiny by Wagner mercenaries"


Mercenaries cannot mutiny, they are paid contract combatants.
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shh they've got their best script writers on it, don't embarrass them.
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If Russia can't win then why is absolutely all western media censoring pro Russia stuff?
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Even this thread is western propaganda.

You don't need propaganda when you are winning.

They need to conceal what is happening to prevent the people of the western nation from overthrowing their governments.

They are just bleeding the taxpayer dry and making defensive contractors and arms manufacturers rich at out expense.

It will get worse. They know this. If you knew this you would remove your government to end the pain before it begins to get real bad.

You see this sentiment in Europe already. Many understand this conflict will hurt them far more than it hurts Russia.

We see traditional allies of the USA turning their backs on them as the Arab League has told them to fuck off effectively and is bringing Syria back into the fold.

China is more allied with Russia than the are with the USA. Full blown war leads to them fight the USA.

That is how much this is going to hurt people....or we could be sensible and end it now before it gets to be so far gone.

That is why all the propaganda and censorship. Sensible people would remove their governments if they knew the truth.
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The Russians have no artillery? Ok now we know 110% this post is bs
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of course, fake and ghey and Ivan Popov John Smith is a butt sniffer
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why would he say such a treasonous thing.

if he was in usa he would be in court already.

makes no sense.
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I don’t see treason there but he was criticizing the military. Putin signed a new law last year censoring any criticism of the military or the war, punishable with up to 15:years hard labor at a penal colony.
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he should be death penaltied for such insolence against mother russia
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Re: General Popov, commander 58th army in south Ukraine resigned. Says theyve no counter-battery or artillery, soldiers being killed enmass by UKR
There is no General Popov in the Russian military.
And the commander of the 58th army in south Ukraine is this man:

Zusko Mikhail Stepanovich

[link to structure.mil.ru (secure)]

This is just some Ukrainian/NATO propaganda.
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epiclol

they made him head after the Ivan Popov was beheaded
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If Russia can't win then why is absolutely all western media censoring pro Russia stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86055733


Even this thread is western propaganda.

You don't need propaganda when you are winning.

They need to conceal what is happening to prevent the people of the western nation from overthrowing their governments.

They are just bleeding the taxpayer dry and making defensive contractors and arms manufacturers rich at out expense.

It will get worse. They know this. If you knew this you would remove your government to end the pain before it begins to get real bad.

You see this sentiment in Europe already. Many understand this conflict will hurt them far more than it hurts Russia.

We see traditional allies of the USA turning their backs on them as the Arab League has told them to fuck off effectively and is bringing Syria back into the fold.

China is more allied with Russia than the are with the USA. Full blown war leads to them fight the USA.

That is how much this is going to hurt people....or we could be sensible and end it now before it gets to be so far gone.

That is why all the propaganda and censorship. Sensible people would remove their governments if they knew the truth.
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You Sir should get a prize for that post! Absolutely spot on.
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If Russia can't win then why is absolutely all western media censoring pro Russia stuff?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86055733


Even this thread is western propaganda.

You don't need propaganda when you are winning.

They need to conceal what is happening to prevent the people of the western nation from overthrowing their governments.

They are just bleeding the taxpayer dry and making defensive contractors and arms manufacturers rich at out expense.

It will get worse. They know this. If you knew this you would remove your government to end the pain before it begins to get real bad.

You see this sentiment in Europe already. Many understand this conflict will hurt them far more than it hurts Russia.

We see traditional allies of the USA turning their backs on them as the Arab League has told them to fuck off effectively and is bringing Syria back into the fold.

China is more allied with Russia than the are with the USA. Full blown war leads to them fight the USA.

That is how much this is going to hurt people....or we could be sensible and end it now before it gets to be so far gone.

That is why all the propaganda and censorship. Sensible people would remove their governments if they knew the truth.
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You Sir should get a prize for that post! Absolutely spot on.
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epiclol

you sir might be suffering from mental illness
read up on schizophrenia online
but definitely get it checked out by a professional
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Re: General Popov, commander 58th army in south Ukraine resigned. Says theyve no counter-battery or artillery, soldiers being killed enmass by UKR
There is no General Popov in the Russian military.
And the commander of the 58th army in south Ukraine is this man:

Zusko Mikhail Stepanovich

[link to structure.mil.ru (secure)]

This is just some Ukrainian/NATO propaganda.
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hesright
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Spartak is well known.

Ivan Popov (Russian general, born 1975)

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Last Edited by Vafþrúðnir on 07/13/2023 10:24 PM
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Putinsuckers - "Not a real general. Just some Donbass peasant who put on a uniform he bought at the army surplus store."
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And Russian State TV is pissed at hom

Top Russian propagandist is furious about General Ivan Popov



Top Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov cursed his audience members for siding with General Ivan Popov and scolded his friend, State Duma member Andrey Gurulyov for sharing Popov's message.
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Putinsuckers - "Not a real general. Just some Donbass peasant who put on a uniform he bought at the army surplus store."
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q/zcuck meat golemZ are notorious for not being able or willing to do a 5 second internet search.

That's why they're losing on all fronts and they keep wondering why.

ghost

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