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Russia Sends Obsolete Tanks to Battle in Ukraine Amid Staggering Artillery Losses

 
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Russia Sends Obsolete Tanks to Battle in Ukraine Amid Staggering Artillery Losses
Russia has resorted to sending aging, Soviet-made tanks to the battlefield in Ukraine in a desperate bid to compensate for its staggering artillery losses, experts and analysts have said — to mixed effectiveness.

According to the Dutch OSINT project Oryx, Russia had by May 31 lost over 2,000 tanks out of the 3,000 combat-ready vehicles of its original complement when it invaded Ukraine 17 months ago.

As these losses have piled up — and as it lacks the capacity to refurbish more modern tanks at the rates needed — Moscow has increasingly brought outdated Soviet-era T-54, T-55 and T-62 tanks out of storage and to the frontline, even as Ukraine receives increasingly advanced artillery from its Western allies.

These tanks are ill-equipped to fulfill their intended combat roles on the modern battlefield. Outdated optics, surveillance systems and fire control systems, coupled with inadequate protection against modern anti-tank weaponry, significantly hamper their effectiveness.

As a result, Russia has largely used them as a substitute for self-propelled artillery — as well as loading them up with explosives and sending them forth as kamikaze vehicles.

Video which emerged last month showed a lone Russian T-55 tank maneuvering toward Ukrainian positions. The tank triggered a mine and came to a halt before an anti-tank missile fired by a Ukrainian soldier engulfed it in a burst of flames. Observers have since speculated that the tank was used as a kamikaze vehicle.

“Can terrorists use a car filled with explosives to attack people? We know they can. Can an organizationally degrading army, turning into a conglomerate of irregular formations, use equipment stuffed with explosives, like ISIS did? Well, it has been doing this for a year now,” independent military expert Pavel Luzin told The Moscow Times.

News of Russia's resurrection of T-54/55 museum tanks for active duty first surfaced at the end of March, when videos circulated on social media of the aging vehicles being transported by rail. Prior to this, Russia had also sent retired T-62 tanks to the frontline.

Experts initially posited that Russia was resorting to such measures to compensate for the considerable tank losses it had sustained.

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At least 47,000 Russian troops have been killed fighting in Ukraine, the independent news outlets Mediazona and Meduza reported in an investigation published Monday.

Citing data from Russia’s national probate registry — a public database that records information on inheritances — and the state statistics agency Rosstat, journalists used a surge in probate cases opened for men under the age of 50 since the start of the war to calculate the war deaths.

“To be absolutely precise, we can assert with a 95% probability that the true number of casualties falls between 40,000 and 55,000,” read the report published on Medizona’s website.

Journalists noted that Russia’s military death toll is likely higher because not all soldiers have property that can be passed on after their death.

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They must be working because Ukraine is getting bitch slapped.
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They must be working because Ukraine is getting bitch slapped.
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Russia lost 2000 of the 3000 tanks they had when they invaded Ukraine. Things are not working out how Russia wanted. Everything is not going according to plan even though the Kremlin says it is.
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I’ve kept a running tally of Russian loses according to glp…
So far to date

600 million troops
50 thousand aircraft ( 20 thousand of which are credited to the ghost of Ukraine)
200 thousand apc,’s
80 thousand tanks
145 thousand artillery piece
30 thousand bicycles
22 thousand skateboards
5 thousand dogs
2 chimpanzee
10 McDonald’s franchise
And a pair of football boots 1dunno1

I shall keep the tally running and up to date
If you would like any more information please feel free to contact me at
[email protected]
Reguards
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They must be working because Ukraine is getting bitch slapped.
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Russia lost 2000 of the 3000 tanks they had when they invaded Ukraine. Things are not working out how Russia wanted. Everything is not going according to plan even though the Kremlin says it is.
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You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
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I’ve kept a running tally of Russian loses according to glp…
So far to date

600 million troops
50 thousand aircraft ( 20 thousand of which are credited to the ghost of Ukraine)
200 thousand apc,’s
80 thousand tanks
145 thousand artillery piece
30 thousand bicycles
22 thousand skateboards
5 thousand dogs
2 chimpanzee
10 McDonald’s franchise
And a pair of football boots 1dunno1

I shall keep the tally running and up to date
If you would like any more information please feel free to contact me at
[email protected]
Reguards
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Russia has lost 2000 tanks and over 47000 troops. this information comes from MOSCOW.
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They must be working because Ukraine is getting bitch slapped.
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Russia lost 2000 of the 3000 tanks they had when they invaded Ukraine. Things are not working out how Russia wanted. Everything is not going according to plan even though the Kremlin says it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
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ohh right. what are they waiting for before they "take the gloves off"??
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I’ve kept a running tally of Russian loses according to glp…
So far to date

600 million troops
50 thousand aircraft ( 20 thousand of which are credited to the ghost of Ukraine)
200 thousand apc,’s
80 thousand tanks
145 thousand artillery piece
30 thousand bicycles
22 thousand skateboards
5 thousand dogs
2 chimpanzee
10 McDonald’s franchise
And a pair of football boots 1dunno1

I shall keep the tally running and up to date
If you would like any more information please feel free to contact me at
[email protected]
Reguards
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Russia has lost 2000 tanks and over 47000 troops. this information comes from MOSCOW.
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Not according to glp mate , the toll is mucho mucho higher
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They must be working because Ukraine is getting bitch slapped.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


Russia lost 2000 of the 3000 tanks they had when they invaded Ukraine. Things are not working out how Russia wanted. Everything is not going according to plan even though the Kremlin says it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


Where are all those nato tanks op what happened to them?
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They must be working because Ukraine is getting bitch slapped.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


Russia lost 2000 of the 3000 tanks they had when they invaded Ukraine. Things are not working out how Russia wanted. Everything is not going according to plan even though the Kremlin says it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


ohh right. what are they waiting for before they "take the gloves off"??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


Same reason Putin hasn't called it a war he's
Trying to avoid ww3
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Russia lost 2000 of the 3000 tanks they had when they invaded Ukraine. Things are not working out how Russia wanted. Everything is not going according to plan even though the Kremlin says it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


ohh right. what are they waiting for before they "take the gloves off"??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


Same reason Putin hasn't called it a war he's
Trying to avoid ww3
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you are making it up. the first ones in were the VDV Paratroopers. many of the best Russian Army units and equipment have been fighting in Ukraine.

that "narrative" about Russia saving their best troops and equipment is ridiculous. when the criminal traitorous terrorist Wagner Group thugs decided to invade Moscow, it was the Moscow Boy Scouts who had to defend because the Russian Army had no significant units within 200km of Moscow.

Russia isn't saving their best units and equipment. Their best unit was the criminal terrorist gang Wagner Group which has now been shut down and no longer exists according to President Putin. of course since Chef Prigozhin was personally receiving FIVE PERCENT OF RUSSIA'S DEFENSE BUDGET IN CASH to run the Wagner terrorist gang, you would expect at least some level of competence.

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You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


ohh right. what are they waiting for before they "take the gloves off"??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


Same reason Putin hasn't called it a war he's
Trying to avoid ww3
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


you are making it up. the first ones in were the VDV Paratroopers. many of the best Russian Army units and equipment have been fighting in Ukraine.

that "narrative" about Russia saving their best troops and equipment is ridiculous. when the criminal traitorous terrorist Wagner Group thugs decided to invade Moscow, it was the Moscow Boy Scouts who had to defend because the Russian Army had no significant units within 200km of Moscow.

Russia isn't saving their best units and equipment. Their best unit was the criminal terrorist gang Wagner Group which has now been shut down and no longer exists according to President Putin. of course since Chef Prigozhin was personally receiving FIVE PERCENT OF RUSSIA'S DEFENSE BUDGET IN CASH to run the Wagner terrorist gang, you would expect at least some level of competence.

epiclol
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You tard the first ones in were from eastern Russia they haven't even begun to send in the good shit yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


ohh right. what are they waiting for before they "take the gloves off"??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


Same reason Putin hasn't called it a war he's
Trying to avoid ww3
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83080848


you are making it up. the first ones in were the VDV Paratroopers. many of the best Russian Army units and equipment have been fighting in Ukraine.

that "narrative" about Russia saving their best troops and equipment is ridiculous. when the criminal traitorous terrorist Wagner Group thugs decided to invade Moscow, it was the Moscow Boy Scouts who had to defend because the Russian Army had no significant units within 200km of Moscow.

Russia isn't saving their best units and equipment. Their best unit was the criminal terrorist gang Wagner Group which has now been shut down and no longer exists according to President Putin. of course since Chef Prigozhin was personally receiving FIVE PERCENT OF RUSSIA'S DEFENSE BUDGET IN CASH to run the Wagner terrorist gang, you would expect at least some level of competence.

epiclol
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The Russian military kicked Wagners ass until they agreed to take refuge in Belarus
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And no all the tanks marked with Z
We're from eastern Russia
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And no all the tanks marked with Z
We're from eastern Russia
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did yore uncle tell you that?
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And no all the tanks marked with Z
We're from eastern Russia
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did yore uncle tell you that?
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My wife is Russian she translates everything for me and knows what is true or false.
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And no all the tanks marked with Z
We're from eastern Russia
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did yore uncle tell you that?
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My wife is Russian she translates everything for me and knows what is true or false.
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bsflag nobody beleives a wife, you need an uncle to tell you

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Those tanks are just acting as artillery or suppression units.
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I’ve kept a running tally of Russian loses according to glp…
So far to date

600 million troops
50 thousand aircraft ( 20 thousand of which are credited to the ghost of Ukraine)
200 thousand apc,’s
80 thousand tanks
145 thousand artillery piece
30 thousand bicycles
22 thousand skateboards
5 thousand dogs
2 chimpanzee
10 McDonald’s franchise
And a pair of football boots 1dunno1

I shall keep the tally running and up to date
If you would like any more information please feel free to contact me at
[email protected]
Reguards
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Russia has lost 2000 tanks and over 47000 troops. this information comes from MOSCOW.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77145910


Ukraine Lost all their tanks, All their Artillery

Half of Nato's tanks all of Nato's artillery

and has 340,000 dead, 47,000 missing presumed dead and another 200,000 wounded.
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The Moscow Times based in Amsterdam for the retards in the west, it must be true.
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Those tanks are just acting as artillery or suppression units.
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which means that Russia cannot replace the 2000 lost tanks. instead they get the old timey crap tanks and destroy them by trying to use them as artillery.

a T55 gun won't be able to match the range of a M777 155mm gun. almost all of the Russian zoopark counter-battery radar units have been destroyed. these T55s will be artillery magnets if they fire the guns.

Russia no longer has the battlefield ability to do counter battery fire against Ukrainian artillery. they shore can't cover the whole 1000km front line with the few remaining anti-artillery radars they have left.

this is very bad news for Russia, they will lose artillery superiority then they got very little left.
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Those tanks are just acting as artillery or suppression units.
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which means that Russia cannot replace the 2000 lost tanks. instead they get the old timey crap tanks and destroy them by trying to use them as artillery.

a T55 gun won't be able to match the range of a M777 155mm gun. almost all of the Russian zoopark counter-battery radar units have been destroyed. these T55s will be artillery magnets if they fire the guns.

Russia no longer has the battlefield ability to do counter battery fire against Ukrainian artillery. they shore can't cover the whole 1000km front line with the few remaining anti-artillery radars they have left.

this is very bad news for Russia, they will lose artillery superiority then they got very little left.
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Looks at the mirror, yep you look like shit haha
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Just like battleships at the beginning of World War 2, tanks are entirely obsolete on an actual modern battlefield. "Suicide" drones, and other modern anti-tank weaponry can easily destroy even the most recently made armor on the battlefield at a fraction of the cost to manufacture the armored vehicles. The current military conflict in the country of Ukraine is not a war, but in fact is a sideshow where obsolete military equipment is being destroyed for reasons not admitted publicly by the involved parties.

Tanks do have a modern role, but it has nothing to do with a near peer conflict.
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Russia has lost 10 million soldiers and 100,000 of its newest and best T-14 tanks. Wow 100,000 tanks destroyed in the last month alone this is amazing.afro
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Russia is winning. They are sending old shit to Ukraine just as a dumping ground.

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Just like battleships at the beginning of World War 2, tanks are entirely obsolete on an actual modern battlefield. "Suicide" drones, and other modern anti-tank weaponry can easily destroy even the most recently made armor on the battlefield at a fraction of the cost to manufacture the armored vehicles. The current military conflict in the country of Ukraine is not a war, but in fact is a sideshow where obsolete military equipment is being destroyed for reasons not admitted publicly by the involved parties.

Tanks do have a modern role, but it has nothing to do with a near peer conflict.
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Utter nonsense from someone who reads the west main stream media, you do not understand military, you do not understand the economy, you do not have any culture
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Just like battleships at the beginning of World War 2, tanks are entirely obsolete on an actual modern battlefield. "Suicide" drones, and other modern anti-tank weaponry can easily destroy even the most recently made armor on the battlefield at a fraction of the cost to manufacture the armored vehicles. The current military conflict in the country of Ukraine is not a war, but in fact is a sideshow where obsolete military equipment is being destroyed for reasons not admitted publicly by the involved parties.

Tanks do have a modern role, but it has nothing to do with a near peer conflict.
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Utter nonsense from someone who reads the west main stream media, you do not understand military, you do not understand the economy, you do not have any culture
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you have been posting nothing but nonsense and insults all day! therefore, nobody cares what you think!

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Cannon fodder to exhaust all of the rest of US artillery munitions and cluster bombs.
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2 moar weeks OP..





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