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Ukraine: Final escalation?

 
Flying Elvii

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Russian industrial might has been affected very seriously, its not that they don't want to make more tanks but they are running dangerously low on simple things like bearings, they are currently having to divert bearings away from train maintenance, if they don't maintain the trains, supply lines break down.

industrial output as been shown to be lower than pre war outputs, satellites show the air is much cleaner around the plants than would be expected.

it would appear that the sanctions imposed that affect the little things, are having a much bigger effect than freezing Bank accounts.

but sadly I think something big is on the horizon, will it be an all out war? Will it be Russians over throwing putin? who can say, but this is a very dangerous stalemate we are in, with a seriously set in his ways leader that people appear unable to speak the truth too, without getting shot for treason.

Good luck everyone x
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Lol..
Keep telling yourself that.

Photos from last week showed the giant Magnitogorsk steel plant belching smoke from all six foundries for the first time since the 1980’s.

Most of the long-idled military plants are running agin, many like the immense Uralvagonzavod complex are now running three shifts for the first time since the 1950’s.

Ball bearings in the modern era are a minor issue, even if true which I doubt. Just call up China and have a couple of million tons of them delivered next week.

This fight has been going on for nearly a year and a half now.
More than long enough for you to figure out that when the Propo tells you that Russia is running out of something, they actually mean that WE are running out of that something.

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Russians are white
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A good assessment of the current situation.

This was the real reason the Grain Deal was terminated.

Also the fact that the EU was Creaming 99% of the Grain off for them selves and redirecting it elsewhere.

So much for helping the starving in Africa.

I like you believe we have finally arrived at a "Shit or get off the Pot" moment for US/NATO.

Either go all in and pointlessly try to reverse a lost war and cause WW3.

Or negotiate a peace deal.

I see a number of potential possibilities.

The first one is US/NATO finally accepting the war is done.Highly unlikely given Blinken recent remarks.Dividing up Ukraine between East and West.Poland moving in to Western Ukraine seizing Liviv. Russia taking everything East of the Dnieper.Everything West going West.Ukraine a land locked broken up State.

The situation you mention.Where US/NATO look to escalate the regional conflict in to open warfare.

A wild Card theory of mine. Zelensky totally going off script and negotiating a peace deal with Russia without US/NATO approval.Sounds ridiculous i know.But think about it logically.If the war is lost and he knows it.And US/NATO are set on dividing Ukraine making you surplus to requirements.He might prefer a deal with the Devil to remain in power.Than becoming redundant.He might be threatening US to do just this .
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Russians are white
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Arms shipments have always been carried out under the vail of humanitarian aid.
NATO cia are some ruthless sneaky bastards.
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Wow what a bunch of russian bs
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It's just an excuse to order a general retreat, regroup, and refit on the front for the beleaguered, hapless, and by now almost utterly destroyed Ukrainian military. Ukrainian positions are collapsing and the losses are escalating everyday. Their attacks are utterly pathetic and futile -- more like suicide attacks than tactical excursions at Russian lines. The endgame after the failed "counter offensive" was always for NATO to engineer some kind of freeze of the conflict. To do that successfully NATO will need to engineer some kind of crisis to have Poland and other Baltic states enter the conflict to allow NATO to intervene directly via proxy through a "coalition of the willing."
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and i meant "truce" not "true". since i cant edit my post -_-

also, russia has the MOST resources of ANY country on this planet. and once they ramp up into war time scenarios and manufacturing? rofl any country that is fighting it will not be able to keep up, and they can basically kiss their ass goodbye.

Look at the numbers. Even ALL the nato countries combined INCLUDING the u.s cannot match the resource generation of russia.

you aren't defeating russia. as much as the united states WANTS to..it ain't happening. they must admit there are other top dogs on this planet, or suffer a fall of their empire.
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Apparently Juan doesn't agree with you lol
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doesnt matter if people dont want to agree due to emotional reactions due to the situation, due to them believing all the ukraine bullshit.

facts and statistics dont lie. the maps where the most resources on this planet are, don't lie.

Russia will THROW endless amounts of shit at you over and over until you are FORCED to submit. it's the tower defense turtle method like an rts game.
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Combine that with china manufacturing capabilities and its obvious we could never win this war.

Then you realize... that is the point. They are going to break america against china and russia.
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It's just an excuse to order a general retreat, regroup, and refit on the front for the beleaguered, hapless, and by now almost utterly destroyed Ukrainian military. Ukrainian positions are collapsing and the losses are escalating everyday. Their attacks are utterly pathetic and futile -- more like suicide attacks than tactical excursions at Russian lines. The endgame after the failed "counter offensive" was always for NATO to engineer some kind of freeze of the conflict. To do that successfully NATO will need to engineer some kind of crisis to have Poland and other Baltic states enter the conflict to allow NATO to intervene directly via proxy through a "coalition of the willing."
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US Election season is starting…

The Democrat know they can’t run on throwing more money at Ukraine when American streets are overrun with violence, drugs, and crime.
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final lose of puti
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are the "walls closing in" on Putin? perhaps russia is "almost out of missiles!!" will there be a coup on Putin?!1?! are the "russians deeply low in morale!?!" how about "tanks are being destroyed by villagers!!!!!!!!!" or how about the ghost of kiev!!?

fuckoff2

lmao

or how about the stories about the grandmas with machine guns coming out on the balconies and shooting the tanks! LOL. THAT was maybe the most cringe one.

wait no.. the most cringe goes to the "hardened ukrainian mother that threw a tomato soup can at a russian drone, and destroyed it"
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amerikkkans have their shitstained fingerprints all over the NATO propaganda machine. What bullshit
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It's just an excuse to order a general retreat, regroup, and refit on the front for the beleaguered, hapless, and by now almost utterly destroyed Ukrainian military. Ukrainian positions are collapsing and the losses are escalating everyday. Their attacks are utterly pathetic and futile -- more like suicide attacks than tactical excursions at Russian lines. The endgame after the failed "counter offensive" was always for NATO to engineer some kind of freeze of the conflict. To do that successfully NATO will need to engineer some kind of crisis to have Poland and other Baltic states enter the conflict to allow NATO to intervene directly via proxy through a "coalition of the willing."
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US Election season is starting…

The Democrat know they can’t run on throwing more money at Ukraine when American streets are overrun with violence, drugs, and crime.
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Your gop bullshit stinks as badly as the other shit party. Stop
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Wow what a bunch of russian bs
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Says the amerikkkan shitmaster
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Russians are white
the j makes us fight.
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Hey, tard, the fucking brits claimed Russians were “white with black bones.” The fucking Bandera bitches and Nazis said the same. Many Russians, including Putin, have Mongol and Ashkenazi heritage. Russians are very much aware of this and attribute Western interference and hostility to this.
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If NATO ever fired on Russian ships, the whole US Navy would be sunk in a half-hour. Russia and China would sink every damn American boat ever built.
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china MAKES EQUIPMENT for the united states military now!!!! a SHIT TON OF IT. did you know that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84659223


China is the true evil. Godless atheists. I would believe Putin more if he wasn't allied to these reptoids.

But so is the West now, it's a toss up between tatooed unhinged LGBTs or the Borg-subservient, greedy, ruthless, cold Chinese for whom Mammon is everything.

The Chinese are forked tongue dual agents and that's the worst.
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A good assessment of the current situation.

This was the real reason the Grain Deal was terminated.

Also the fact that the EU was Creaming 99% of the Grain off for them selves and redirecting it elsewhere.

So much for helping the starving in Africa.

I like you believe we have finally arrived at a "Shit or get off the Pot" moment for US/NATO.

Either go all in and pointlessly try to reverse a lost war and cause WW3.

Or negotiate a peace deal.

I see a number of potential possibilities.

The first one is US/NATO finally accepting the war is done.Highly unlikely given Blinken recent remarks.Dividing up Ukraine between East and West.Poland moving in to Western Ukraine seizing Liviv. Russia taking everything East of the Dnieper.Everything West going West.Ukraine a land locked broken up State.

The situation you mention.Where US/NATO look to escalate the regional conflict in to open warfare.

A wild Card theory of mine. Zelensky totally going off script and negotiating a peace deal with Russia without US/NATO approval.Sounds ridiculous i know.But think about it logically.If the war is lost and he knows it.And US/NATO are set on dividing Ukraine making you surplus to requirements.He might prefer a deal with the Devil to remain in power.Than becoming redundant.He might be threatening US to do just this .
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks

He, Z, has an open line to Xi. China will broker a deal and help rebuild Ukraine. This, in and of itself, will end NATO. USA will be shown as a feckless shadow of a “superpower.”
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No seriously, OP…WarNews247 as your propaganda source?

Some great lines backing up threir glorious claims, such as “ NATO supposedly also” and “ Russia figured this out” and “ I think the probability is high”.

Then there’s “Russia isn't bluffing” which is scary because that of course means Putin’s gonna take the gloves off.

epiclol
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If NATO ever fired on Russian ships, the whole US Navy would be sunk in a half-hour. Russia and China would sink every damn American boat ever built.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86112142


china MAKES EQUIPMENT for the united states military now!!!! a SHIT TON OF IT. did you know that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84659223


China is the true evil. Godless atheists. I would believe Putin more if he wasn't allied to these reptoids.

But so is the West now, it's a toss up between tatooed unhinged LGBTs or the Borg-subservient, greedy, ruthless, cold Chinese for whom Mammon is everything.

The Chinese are forked tongue dual agents and that's the worst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82317382


Europeans, especially anglos, are notorius double dealing pieces of shit. Get used to The West sucking hind teat. China has been around 5000 years without your skygod.
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It's just an excuse to order a general retreat, regroup, and refit on the front for the beleaguered, hapless, and by now almost utterly destroyed Ukrainian military. Ukrainian positions are collapsing and the losses are escalating everyday. Their attacks are utterly pathetic and futile -- more like suicide attacks than tactical excursions at Russian lines. The endgame after the failed "counter offensive" was always for NATO to engineer some kind of freeze of the conflict. To do that successfully NATO will need to engineer some kind of crisis to have Poland and other Baltic states enter the conflict to allow NATO to intervene directly via proxy through a "coalition of the willing."
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US Election season is starting…

The Democrat know they can’t run on throwing more money at Ukraine when American streets are overrun with violence, drugs, and crime.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


Yep and we have this anti-American comrade tag team sock shilling against America too…what a thread!

5a
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No seriously, OP…WarNews247 as your propaganda source?

Some great lines backing up threir glorious claims, such as “ NATO supposedly also” and “ Russia figured this out” and “ I think the probability is high”.

Then there’s “Russia isn't bluffing” which is scary because that of course means Putin’s gonna take the gloves off.

epiclol
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How are those Storm Shadows feeling lodged up your ass, limey trenchmouthed nob?
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So NATO lied about grain ships and used them to haul in ammo and such? If true fuck them all. That is not good guys. Good will. Just being honest. If the grain was so important then that's what it should of been. Not underhanded lies. And we wonder why the world is as it is.
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No because the agreement specifically provided for joint inspections of all ships arriving and departing from Ukrainian ports.

You’re reading too much WarNews247.
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If NATO ever fired on Russian ships, the whole US Navy would be sunk in a half-hour. Russia and China would sink every damn American boat ever built.
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china MAKES EQUIPMENT for the united states military now!!!! a SHIT TON OF IT. did you know that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84659223


China is the true evil. Godless atheists. I would believe Putin more if he wasn't allied to these reptoids.

But so is the West now, it's a toss up between tatooed unhinged LGBTs or the Borg-subservient, greedy, ruthless, cold Chinese for whom Mammon is everything.

The Chinese are forked tongue dual agents and that's the worst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82317382


Europeans, especially anglos, are notorius double dealing pieces of shit. Get used to The West sucking hind teat. China has been around 5000 years without your skygod.
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You will be wiped out along with millions of Chinese reptoids as long as you remain an atheist.
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No seriously, OP…WarNews247 as your propaganda source?

Some great lines backing up threir glorious claims, such as “ NATO supposedly also” and “ Russia figured this out” and “ I think the probability is high”.

Then there’s “Russia isn't bluffing” which is scary because that of course means Putin’s gonna take the gloves off.

epiclol
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How are those Storm Shadows feeling lodged up your ass, limey trenchmouthed nob?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80454472


Oh no…you think that’s going to happen too when Putin takes the gloves off?
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I think the probability of your probability is low
NATO just doesn’t have the force to do this…much less the will
Russia just used one of the Ukraines former most effective ships it had captured……for target practice

As long as the Turks get Russian wheat for their flour exports…why risk making their supposedly “ large” navy look like rubber duckies in a confront with Russian ASM’s

Russia is playing smart..not much use for ships to enter Uke ports if there are no functioning facilities to serve them. Nor will insurers take that risk.
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china MAKES EQUIPMENT for the united states military now!!!! a SHIT TON OF IT. did you know that?!
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China is the true evil. Godless atheists. I would believe Putin more if he wasn't allied to these reptoids.

But so is the West now, it's a toss up between tatooed unhinged LGBTs or the Borg-subservient, greedy, ruthless, cold Chinese for whom Mammon is everything.

The Chinese are forked tongue dual agents and that's the worst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82317382


Europeans, especially anglos, are notorius double dealing pieces of shit. Get used to The West sucking hind teat. China has been around 5000 years without your skygod.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80454472


You will be wiped out along with millions of Chinese reptoids as long as you remain an atheist.
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Okay, whatever you say jaysus-boy
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It's no secret that NATO have been using the port in Odessa to transfer arms and equipment using "grain ships". Russia figured this out and obliterated everything NATO had there, including the port. Russia then warned that ANY inbound ship that attempts to dock in Odessa or anywhere else in Ukraine will be considered a target, because it is impossible to determine if the ship legitimately is hauling grain or weapons and ammo.

As a result of the obliteration of NATO's footprint in Odessa, Zelenski has called an emergency meeting with NATO. NATO will discuss getting directly involved by escorting inbound ships to Ukraine, and potentially firing on Russian vessels that intervene. I think the probability is high that NATO will agree to try to break the Russian blockade. This could be the flash point that sparks world war. Russia isn't bluffing, so I see the potential of some ships sinking in the very near future. No navy in the world (thus far) can counter Russia's hypersonic anti-ship missiles.

NATO supposedly also ordered Ukraine to withdraw from the front lines, assumed to reinforce defenses in western regions. Russia and Belarus very recently discussed imminent war with Poland.

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]
 Quoting: Silicon Jock


No way NATO is going to confront the Russian navy in the Black Sea.....not gonna happen.

Now, take a look at the photo at this link and read what is really taking place. There is no "counter-offensive"....there is nothing more than complete and TOTAL defeat of Ukraine!

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]

Last Edited by FeedYourHead on 07/24/2023 04:41 PM
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If NATO ever fired on Russian ships, the whole US Navy would be sunk in a half-hour. Russia and China would sink every damn American boat ever built.
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Exactly, gone in 60 seconds kind of thing :)

Last Edited by Levski on 07/24/2023 04:41 PM
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It's no secret that NATO have been using the port in Odessa to transfer arms and equipment using "grain ships". Russia figured this out and obliterated everything NATO had there, including the port. Russia then warned that ANY inbound ship that attempts to dock in Odessa or anywhere else in Ukraine will be considered a target, because it is impossible to determine if the ship legitimately is hauling grain or weapons and ammo.

As a result of the obliteration of NATO's footprint in Odessa, Zelenski has called an emergency meeting with NATO. NATO will discuss getting directly involved by escorting inbound ships to Ukraine, and potentially firing on Russian vessels that intervene. I think the probability is high that NATO will agree to try to break the Russian blockade. This could be the flash point that sparks world war. Russia isn't bluffing, so I see the potential of some ships sinking in the very near future. No navy in the world (thus far) can counter Russia's hypersonic anti-ship missiles.

NATO supposedly also ordered Ukraine to withdraw from the front lines, assumed to reinforce defenses in western regions. Russia and Belarus very recently discussed imminent war with Poland.

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]
 Quoting: Silicon Jock


No way NATO is going to confront the Russian navy in the Black Sea.....not gonna happen.
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That is what is going to be discussed at the NATO meeting. If they don't, thats great! We avoid potentially crossing the point of no return. If they do, it's going to spiral out of control very quickly.
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No seriously, OP…WarNews247 as your propaganda source?

Some great lines backing up threir glorious claims, such as “ NATO supposedly also” and “ Russia figured this out” and “ I think the probability is high”.

Then there’s “Russia isn't bluffing” which is scary because that of course means Putin’s gonna take the gloves off.

epiclol
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How are those Storm Shadows feeling lodged up your ass, limey trenchmouthed nob?
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Oh no…you think that’s going to happen too when Putin takes the gloves off?
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The Ukrainian Black Sea port facilities are rubble, thanks to shitty Western air defense and superior Russian weaponry. Additionally, Russia has a quarantine of the Black Sea. Big bad amerikkka ain’t about shit. Why don’t big bad sole superduper superpower ussa take the gloves off? I know, amerikkka only gets butch with nations it can walk on and over. Meet, Russia. Russia says, go fuck yourselves.
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Russia lacks one very important resource. There are only 147 million Russians.
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Russia lacks one very important resource. There are only 147 million Russians.





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