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Ukraine: Final escalation?

 
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Biden's job is to destroy the US and NATO. Mission Conkomplished!
He never even knew he had a mission.
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07/24/2023 07:41 PM

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and i meant "truce" not "true". since i cant edit my post -_-

also, russia has the MOST resources of ANY country on this planet. and once they ramp up into war time scenarios and manufacturing? rofl any country that is fighting it will not be able to keep up, and they can basically kiss their ass goodbye.

Look at the numbers. Even ALL the nato countries combined INCLUDING the u.s cannot match the resource generation of russia.

you aren't defeating russia. as much as the united states WANTS to..it ain't happening. they must admit there are other top dogs on this planet, or suffer a fall of their empire.
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US+Canada+Europe can match the resources...but manufacturing is in question

whatever
 Quoting: Hugh G. Reckshon


The real question is, why in the fuck they would want to bankrupt themselves to get Ukraine into NATO.

You think NATO would have learned after the Afghanistan failure and endless taxpayer money poured into it.

Fuck that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84477481


You're looking at it the wrong way.
War = profit (for the MIC)

It's the same as in pandemic = profit (for the Medical Industrial complex)

They probably have never made so much money ever.

The destruction of lives and buildings = more profits (for the reconstruction industry) and the banks which will purchase territory for pennies on the dollar.

Even the looming food shortages = MAGA profit for the big ag corporations. More than ever before in history likely.

And the middle classes will pay for it all as they are steadily depopulated.
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there is no war with Russia
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07/24/2023 08:52 PM
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Biden has already said he will not intervene in the Odessa blockade. Unless someone changed his mind?

Not finding that news article now. Maybe they Pulled it!

This article does cast doubt that the US would get involved.

Russia has mined the port.
Turkey will not allow any military ships to enter the black sea.


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They don't have to sink or confiscate anything.

The threat alone will drive insurance rates so high that nothing will go anywhere.

Jack shit nothing will move at all.
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07/24/2023 09:07 PM
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nobody will do shit for Ukraine, NATO will not move a finger, people just look at the history.
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07/24/2023 09:15 PM
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nobody will do shit for Ukraine, NATO will not move a finger, people just look at the history.
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Lets hope that is the case and they don't go full retard and try to break the blockade.
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nobody will do shit for Ukraine, NATO will not move a finger, people just look at the history.
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But also, if that were the case NATO would have told Zelensky to fuck off. They did not, and are meeting on it.
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If NATO ever fired on Russian ships, the whole US Navy would be sunk in a half-hour. Russia and China would sink every damn American boat ever built.
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china MAKES EQUIPMENT for the united states military now!!!! a SHIT TON OF IT. did you know that?!
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Yes, with the respective backdoors.
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07/24/2023 09:54 PM
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Russian industrial might has been affected very seriously, its not that they don't want to make more tanks but they are running dangerously low on simple things like bearings, they are currently having to divert bearings away from train maintenance, if they don't maintain the trains, supply lines break down.

industrial output as been shown to be lower than pre war outputs, satellites show the air is much cleaner around the plants than would be expected.

it would appear that the sanctions imposed that affect the little things, are having a much bigger effect than freezing Bank accounts.

but sadly I think something big is on the horizon, will it be an all out war? Will it be Russians over throwing putin? who can say, but this is a very dangerous stalemate we are in, with a seriously set in his ways leader that people appear unable to speak the truth too, without getting shot for treason.

Good luck everyone x
 Quoting: Shanos 86113078



I don't know but I'm leaning towards Russians tending to be very pragmatic.

Bearings?

Unlike western MIC where our manufacturers order specialized everything to ensure their customers are forced into their own company supply chain, I expect Russian military equipment to be very standard.

Meaning they can go nearly anywhere for bearings and similar items.

So there is less manufacturing, specifically fabrication, and more assembly.

This is consistent with how developing countries do domestic production. Outsource manufacturing and fabrication and just gather parts and assemble.
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07/24/2023 10:15 PM

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Well, this is laughable…
The narrative is shifting, just as I have been predicting. This isn’t the first article like this in the last ten days or so.


ISW: “Russia wants to prolong the War!”

I have been saying for months that the closer we get to the 2024 election season starting, the more desperate to freeze the conflict the Obamunist Deep State is going to become.


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07/24/2023 11:01 PM
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Well, this is laughable…
The narrative is shifting, just as I have been predicting. This isn’t the first article like this in the last ten days or so.


ISW: “Russia wants to prolong the War!”

I have been saying for months that the closer we get to the 2024 election season starting, the more desperate to freeze the conflict the Obamunist Deep State is going to become.



 Quoting: Flying Elvii


The thing that is even more laughable is how easily most westerners eat this garbage up. Gullibility is off the charts.

They say people who buck the narrative are "anti-american". This only implies that it doesn't matter what the government does, they will support it thinking they are being patriotic when it is the exact opposite. If the American government is an asshole and doing asshole things, then it is un-American to support it! Effing idiots.
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07/25/2023 12:20 AM
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Given Russia's successes to date, one has wonder how much longer till Putin is ready to take it directly to NATO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86085794


NATO is just "dying" to get into the war with Russia, but they want to make it look like Russia started it. Although it won't really matter WHO started it when we all reach 100,000,000 degrees C.
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Given Russia's successes to date, one has wonder how much longer till Putin is ready to take it directly to NATO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86085794


NATO is just "dying" to get into the war with Russia, but they want to make it look like Russia started it. Although it won't really matter WHO started it when we all reach 100,000,000 degrees C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86071885


I don't think NATO would do as well as they think in a conventional war with Russia.
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07/25/2023 05:56 AM

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Given Russia's successes to date, one has wonder how much longer till Putin is ready to take it directly to NATO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86085794


NATO is just "dying" to get into the war with Russia, but they want to make it look like Russia started it. Although it won't really matter WHO started it when we all reach 100,000,000 degrees C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86071885


If they were, they would sail a bait ship to Odessa, then sink the entire Russian fleet with a few shots from a submarine or some special ship killing missiles. A couple ships were already sunk or crippled, so it would not be that difficult I wouldn't think.

I guess to keep the war going, people need to have a credible bogeyman.

If the Russian Navy gets sunk, pretty hard to keep asking for more money with a straight face.

Last Edited by JustmeTX on 07/25/2023 05:58 AM
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Given Russia's successes to date, one has wonder how much longer till Putin is ready to take it directly to NATO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86085794


NATO is just "dying" to get into the war with Russia, but they want to make it look like Russia started it. Although it won't really matter WHO started it when we all reach 100,000,000 degrees C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86071885


I don't think NATO would do as well as they think in a conventional war with Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80572137


In a conventional war with Russia, NATO will initially try to establish air superiority by destroying radars and air defence systems with long range cruise missiles. But the problem is that Russia would then target the sources of those attacks with long range supersonic and hypersonic missiles like Zircon, Kinzhal, P-800 Oniks and the Kalibr 3M54T variant.
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Biden's job is to destroy the US and NATO. Mission Conkomplished!
He never even knew he had a mission.
 Quoting: Coy


This. Biden is a Trojan horse, finishing the job Obama started sabotaging the country and the military so when the war starts, it all just falls apart due to how badly it’s all been compromised.

I think though these people that are clinging so tightly to the delusion of Ukraine and NATO superpowers are going to crash hard when reality hits them upside the head
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All the world is merely a staged narrative. This country vs that one is created through propaganda and false flags. The leadership of every country "in the know"has been captured by The Fallen Ones through their secret society human pawns. This has all been planned and you need only to carefully read this short letter of two high ranking adepts written in 1871!
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Ukraine should negotiate for peace deals

while they still hold some territories and a country

soon, they will own nothing to bargain with and about ffs
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Ukraine is asking for genocide.
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It's no secret that NATO have been using the port in Odessa to transfer arms and equipment using "grain ships". Russia figured this out and obliterated everything NATO had there, including the port. Russia then warned that ANY inbound ship that attempts to dock in Odessa or anywhere else in Ukraine will be considered a target, because it is impossible to determine if the ship legitimately is hauling grain or weapons and ammo.

As a result of the obliteration of NATO's footprint in Odessa, Zelenski has called an emergency meeting with NATO. NATO will discuss getting directly involved by escorting inbound ships to Ukraine, and potentially firing on Russian vessels that intervene. I think the probability is high that NATO will agree to try to break the Russian blockade. This could be the flash point that sparks world war. Russia isn't bluffing, so I see the potential of some ships sinking in the very near future. No navy in the world (thus far) can counter Russia's hypersonic anti-ship missiles.

NATO supposedly also ordered Ukraine to withdraw from the front lines, assumed to reinforce defenses in western regions. Russia and Belarus very recently discussed imminent war with Poland.

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]
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THEY WILL F.FALG IT SO THAT MOTHUHRUSSUH CANNOT USE IT.UH
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It's no secret that NATO have been using the port in Odessa to transfer arms and equipment using "grain ships". Russia figured this out and obliterated everything NATO had there, including the port. Russia then warned that ANY inbound ship that attempts to dock in Odessa or anywhere else in Ukraine will be considered a target, because it is impossible to determine if the ship legitimately is hauling grain or weapons and ammo.

As a result of the obliteration of NATO's footprint in Odessa, Zelenski has called an emergency meeting with NATO. NATO will discuss getting directly involved by escorting inbound ships to Ukraine, and potentially firing on Russian vessels that intervene. I think the probability is high that NATO will agree to try to break the Russian blockade. This could be the flash point that sparks world war. Russia isn't bluffing, so I see the potential of some ships sinking in the very near future. No navy in the world (thus far) can counter Russia's hypersonic anti-ship missiles.

NATO supposedly also ordered Ukraine to withdraw from the front lines, assumed to reinforce defenses in western regions. Russia and Belarus very recently discussed imminent war with Poland.

[link to warnews247-gr.translate.goog (secure)]
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THEY WILL F.FALG IT SO THAT MOTHUHRUSSUH CANNOT USE IT.UH
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