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Intriguing Observation By Pilot On Recent Maui Fires

 
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Intriguing Commentary:

While "independent" and social media videos are pushing the mismanagement of government, agencies #FEMA and #RedCross to push the Problem -----> Reaction part of the Hegelian dialectic, there is some serious censorship of commercial pilots that took place on August 8th (the day of the "fires" in Lahaina).

When there is a substantial "fire", it is accompanied by smoke and possible aerial firefighting.

In order to have a conflict free airspace, pilots are issued a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) specifying a TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) for drones + private and commercial aircraft.

The NOTAM specifies the details of the TFR (All the restriction parameters including height above mean sea level, start and end times and dates etc.).

The Red color rectangle around Lahaina (see 3rd image below) is the TFR airspace up to 3000 feet above sea level.

According to mauicounty.gov, The Lahaina “fire” started on the morning of August 8th, 2023 (see 4th image below). The fire was declared 100% contained shortly before 9 AM the same day.

Of course, all the MSM (pimp) media continued to call out fires beyond the 8th. So the truth is sketchy (I err on the side against pimp media).

The NOTAM TFR was issued on August 15 at 0213 UTC which is August 14th, 430 PM Hawaii time. The TFR ends on August 23, 2023 at 2130 UTC or 1130 AM Hawaii time (see 3rd image below).

Reason: To provide a safe environment for fire fighting.
They want to prevent aircraft and drones from being able to see what is going on for 8+ days, a week after the “fire” had been contained.

Sounds fishy? But wait. There’s more!

Pilots are encouraged to file a PIREP (Pilot Report) if they encounter severe or unforecast conditions.

A PIREP filed with ATC (Air Traffic Control) verbally, and in real-time, is most effective in a local area as ATC can quickly update other pilots on local frequencies.

I decided to go and check the ATC audio archives on LiveATC.net (see 5th image attached).

The main airport for Maui is Kahului (OGG) in the center of the island.

The archives are in 30 minute audio clips. They have Ground, Tower as well as North/South Departure/Approach control & frequencies.

Typically, as soon as an airplane takes off, Tower hands the pilot off to a Dep/App frequency within seconds after lift off.

I went through the Dep/App archives for all of August 8th. More than 30% have been scrubbed (see 5th image below)!

This means that the PIREPs and any other ATC communication that took place that day, is something that Big Brother doesn't want the world to know.

I wonder what all the pilots saw and what they reported. If anybody knows any pilots who flew in or out of OGG on August 8th, it is imperative one reaches out to them and learn the truth.

Censorship is the keystone of tyranny. We have entered the dragon.

Note there are 5 images here. Scroll though with L/R arrows at edges of each image.
https://imgur.com/a/RSNTE9K


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Good find!
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Thanks very much.
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For a Boring Person, this is interesting, OP.

Unfortunately, I don't know any pilots. But it reminds me, I meant to see if I could find out more about what my Washington State relatives said to one of my parents on Oahu (I posted this story before on GLP). The morning of the fire, a relative emailed (I said phone call before, but it was an email) my parent saying they had heard that Lahaina was burning down, something like that. And my parent didn't know what they were talking about, since most people thought, if anything, that it was just a simple brush fire that wasn't going to be a problem. Even my relatives on a different part of Maui didn't think it was going to be a big deal, one relative actually drove through/past Lahaina in the early afternoon the day of the fire to get to work early. (Had that relative left at a more normal time to get to work, they could've been caught up in the beginnings of the big fire.)

The email was several hours before the fire actually swept through Lahaina, and I don't know where those relatives got the idea that Lahaina was burning/going to burn down. Just a guess or misinfo that happened to later be correct? It's weird, in any case.
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For a Boring Person, this is interesting, OP.

Unfortunately, I don't know any pilots. But it reminds me, I meant to see if I could find out more about what my Washington State relatives said to one of my parents on Oahu (I posted this story before on GLP). The morning of the fire, a relative emailed (I said phone call before, but it was an email) my parent saying they had heard that Lahaina was burning down, something like that. And my parent didn't know what they were talking about, since most people thought, if anything, that it was just a simple brush fire that wasn't going to be a problem. Even my relatives on a different part of Maui didn't think it was going to be a big deal, one relative actually drove through/past Lahaina in the early afternoon the day of the fire to get to work early. (Had that relative left at a more normal time to get to work, they could've been caught up in the beginnings of the big fire.)

The email was several hours before the fire actually swept through Lahaina, and I don't know where those relatives got the idea that Lahaina was burning/going to burn down. Just a guess or misinfo that happened to later be correct? It's weird, in any case.
 Quoting: ShawStraw


What does that relative do for a living? Are they possibly privy to inside information?
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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to read later - bump for now!
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For a Boring Person, this is interesting, OP.

Unfortunately, I don't know any pilots. But it reminds me, I meant to see if I could find out more about what my Washington State relatives said to one of my parents on Oahu (I posted this story before on GLP). The morning of the fire, a relative emailed (I said phone call before, but it was an email) my parent saying they had heard that Lahaina was burning down, something like that. And my parent didn't know what they were talking about, since most people thought, if anything, that it was just a simple brush fire that wasn't going to be a problem. Even my relatives on a different part of Maui didn't think it was going to be a big deal, one relative actually drove through/past Lahaina in the early afternoon the day of the fire to get to work early. (Had that relative left at a more normal time to get to work, they could've been caught up in the beginnings of the big fire.)

The email was several hours before the fire actually swept through Lahaina, and I don't know where those relatives got the idea that Lahaina was burning/going to burn down. Just a guess or misinfo that happened to later be correct? It's weird, in any case.
 Quoting: ShawStraw


So, are you saying there was no fire and it's all CGI or the fire did occur but not at the time reported?
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In 1982 while I was in the US Navy out of Pensacola, Fl on a Destroyer we watched (actually enforced the exclusion area) as an Air Force plane flew a few miles away and fired a red light and cut the target ship in half and sank it. I was an old minesweeper tender

Like I said 1982, can you imagine what we have now.
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Need to go there and rip those Walls down.
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Need to go there and rip those Walls down.
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BEFORE they destroy the Evidence.

Not possible for me unfortunately.
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I'm hoping the pilots step up here and tell us---

what the hell did you see???
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For a Boring Person, this is interesting, OP.

Unfortunately, I don't know any pilots. But it reminds me, I meant to see if I could find out more about what my Washington State relatives said to one of my parents on Oahu (I posted this story before on GLP). The morning of the fire, a relative emailed (I said phone call before, but it was an email) my parent saying they had heard that Lahaina was burning down, something like that. And my parent didn't know what they were talking about, since most people thought, if anything, that it was just a simple brush fire that wasn't going to be a problem. Even my relatives on a different part of Maui didn't think it was going to be a big deal, one relative actually drove through/past Lahaina in the early afternoon the day of the fire to get to work early. (Had that relative left at a more normal time to get to work, they could've been caught up in the beginnings of the big fire.)

The email was several hours before the fire actually swept through Lahaina, and I don't know where those relatives got the idea that Lahaina was burning/going to burn down. Just a guess or misinfo that happened to later be correct? It's weird, in any case.
 Quoting: ShawStraw


according to the press release in the OP, the fire started at 6:30 am and was done by 10 am.

or did i read that wrong?
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This thread is next level stuff when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Locking out AC commentary on the thread greatly diminishes that distinction.

The thread content gets 5-stars.
GLP and the OP gets Juan Starr.
 Quoting: Appropriated Memes, Inc.

The op correctly discerns that 93.8% of AC commentary is either abusive, retarded, irrelevant, drug-fueled, or insane. And while there's a small chance that an interesting comment might have been added to the thread by one of the tiny number of ACs that's not a complete idiot, disinviting the ACs gives the thread a clean, uncluttered feel.

5 stars.
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Now doparadise Montana Tenerife the other one in Hawaii and those in spokane and canada

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I’m happy to see this thread.

I was thinking about who’s friends with the air traffic controllers?
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It's obvious that devious actors are up to no good.

I'd expect that a pilot would be able to clearly see nefarious activities below.

Will we ever get the facts?

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In 1982 while I was in the US Navy out of Pensacola, Fl on a Destroyer we watched (actually enforced the exclusion area) as an Air Force plane flew a few miles away and fired a red light and cut the target ship in half and sank it. I was an old minesweeper tender

Like I said 1982, can you imagine what we have now.
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I believe you.
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Typically, as soon as an airplane takes off, Tower hands the pilot off to a Dep/App frequency within seconds after lift off.

I went through the Dep/App archives for all of August 8th. More than 30% have been scrubbed (see 5th image below)!

This means that the PIREPs and any other ATC communication that took place that day, is something that Big Brother doesn't want the world to know.

I wonder what all the pilots saw and what they reported. If anybody knows any pilots who flew in or out of OGG on August 8th, it is imperative one reaches out to them and learn the truth.

Censorship is the keystone of tyranny. We have entered the dragon.
Note there are 5 images here. Scroll though with L/R arrows at edges of each image.
https://imgur.com/a/RSNTE9K

 Quoting: Boring Person


This should arrive at some congressist so some commitee should require ALL the records ATC has there...

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This fire and all that we've seen, has created a firestorm of distrust of all Government Officials for their lack of Human Dignity and true compassion for the deaths of the Good people of LaHaina. We know the TPTB, such as Blackrock have serious interests in the island, and with the Governor of Hawaii connected to the World Economic Forum, the players are all here. Still to this day, where are the resources to help the people who lost everything, including family and friends?? Where's the Coast Guard, the Military??This is B.S.!! How about the U.S. Government send millions of Taxpayer dollars to help our people, instead of wasting the money in Ukraine!! There are people who know what really happened and should have a conscience to come forward with the Truth. As the Op said, surely the people in the Tower or Some pilots know what's going on.
Its time to stand up and do what's right, or evil will Triumph! Then we ALL lose.

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Need to go there and rip those Walls down.
 Quoting: bob uk carethnoto


BEFORE they destroy the Evidence.

Not possible for me unfortunately.
 Quoting: bob uk carethnoto


Put a drone up
They're gonna look pretty stupid if they jail you for searching for the Truth?
PANDEMICS DO NOT OCCUR IN NATURE
Western Medicine is based on Pasteur’s Germ Theory.
Pasteur later admitted:
"Germ Theory does not explain disease."
ie disease is not from viruses.
Read The Contagion Myth by Dr Tom Cowan or my posts here Thread: GOVERNOR ASKS FCC CHAIR TO “TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION AS DIRECTED BY THE COURTS” TO UPDATE WIRELESS RADIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS
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obviously from the air something was apparent we're not supposed to know about. like who or what started them, why they moved like they did & who was responsible for the escape routes being blocked. among many other things.
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This thread is next level stuff when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Locking out AC commentary on the thread greatly diminishes that distinction.

The thread content gets 5-stars.
GLP and the OP gets Juan Starr.
 Quoting: Appropriated Memes, Inc.

The op correctly discerns that 93.8% of AC commentary is either abusive, retarded, irrelevant, drug-fueled, or insane. And while there's a small chance that an interesting comment might have been added to the thread by one of the tiny number of ACs that's not a complete idiot, disinviting the ACs gives the thread a clean, uncluttered feel.

5 stars.
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Seems to be better.
PANDEMICS DO NOT OCCUR IN NATURE
Western Medicine is based on Pasteur’s Germ Theory.
Pasteur later admitted:
"Germ Theory does not explain disease."
ie disease is not from viruses.
Read The Contagion Myth by Dr Tom Cowan or my posts here Thread: GOVERNOR ASKS FCC CHAIR TO “TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION AS DIRECTED BY THE COURTS” TO UPDATE WIRELESS RADIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS
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Need to go there and rip those Walls down.
 Quoting: bob uk carethnoto


BEFORE they destroy the Evidence.

Not possible for me unfortunately.
 Quoting: bob uk carethnoto


Put a drone up
They're gonna look pretty stupid if they jail you for searching for the Truth?
 Quoting: bob uk carethnoto


Do it in a way that they cannot tell who did it.
PANDEMICS DO NOT OCCUR IN NATURE
Western Medicine is based on Pasteur’s Germ Theory.
Pasteur later admitted:
"Germ Theory does not explain disease."
ie disease is not from viruses.
Read The Contagion Myth by Dr Tom Cowan or my posts here Thread: GOVERNOR ASKS FCC CHAIR TO “TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION AS DIRECTED BY THE COURTS” TO UPDATE WIRELESS RADIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS
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This fire and all that we've seen, has created a firestorm of distrust of all Government Officials for their lack of Human Dignity and true compassion for the deaths of the Good people of LaHaina. We know the TPTB, such as Blackrock have serious interests in the island, and with the Governor of Hawaii connected to the World Economic Forum, the players are all here. Still to this day, where are the resources to help the people who lost everything, including family and friends?? Where's the Coast Guard, the Military??This is B.S.!! How about the U.S. Government send millions of Taxpayer dollars to help our people, instead of wasting the money in Ukraine!! There are people who know what really happened and should have a conscience to come forward with the Truth. As the Op said, surely the people in the Tower or Some pilots know what's going on.
Its time to stand up and do what's right, or evil will Triumph! Then we ALL lose.
 Quoting: Major99


Human sacrifice ( in a clean sanitised modern christian way ) for the god in which you trust!

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Obviously from the air something was apparent we're not supposed to know about. Like who or what started them, why they moved like they did & who was responsible for the escape routes being blocked. Among many other things.
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