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Revelation 11 - The Last Trump, Resurrection, Judgement, Reward - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

 
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This is so simple I can't believe so many have overlooked this. AND it matches what Paul said.

Revelation 8 - Seventh Seal and Seven Trumpets mentioned

1 And when he had opened the seventh
seal, there was silence in heaven about
the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels which
stood before God; and to them were
given seven trumpets.


...

Revelation 8:7 First Trumpet sounded
Revelation 8:8 Second Trumpet sounded
Revelation 8:10 Third Trumpet sounded
Revelation 8:12 Fourth Trumpet sounded
Revelation 9:1 Fifth Trumpet sounded
Revelation 9:13 Sixth Trumpet sounded

Revelation 11 Seventh Trumpet - AFTER the Two Witnesses.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become
THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS
Christ; and he shall reign for ever and EVER.


...

Resurrection, Judgement and Reward after the Two Witnesses just a few verses earlier.

And nations don't exist in heaven. This is the Resurrection / Rapture.


Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy
servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


...

That marches exactly what Paul says.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


...
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The "throne judgement" isn't in heaven.

"angel come DOWN"

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from
heaven, having the key of the bottomless
pit and a great chain in his hand.



Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon
them, and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his im-
age, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years.


...

And Jesus brings His 'reward' to Earth.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come

in the glory of his Father with his angels;

and then he shall reward every man according to his works.



Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly;

and my reward is with me,

to give every man according as his work shall be.


...
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Nailed it
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Nailed it
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Thank you.

This pretty much sinks the Pre-Trib doctrine.

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Nailed it
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Thank you.

This pretty much sinks the Pre-Trib doctrine.

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And this destroys all traces of the wreck.

Thread: THERE WILL BE NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE..here is why..IF you have the guts to read it.
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Nonsense all around
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Nonsense all around
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No flag agent^^^
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Nailed it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80936355

Thank you.

This pretty much sinks the Pre-Trib doctrine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86244719

And this destroys all traces of the wreck.

Thread: THERE WILL BE NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE..here is why..IF you have the guts to read it.
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I quoted that in one of my earlier topics.

Nicely done!

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i guess that says it all. paul was right - the last trumpet
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Revelation 11:15

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Leviticus 25:9

Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10

‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.

The Last Trump on YHWH's calendar occurs on a Yom Kippur in a Jubilee year.

The possession of the owner is restored.

The kingdoms of this world, become the Kingdoms of our Adonai

Shall return to his possession

Shall return

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Revelation 11:15

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Leviticus 25:9

Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10

‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.

The Last Trump on YHWH's calendar occurs on a Yom Kippur in a Jubilee year.

The possession of the owner is restored.

The kingdoms of this world, become the Kingdoms of our Adonai

Shall return to his possession

Shall return

...
 Quoting: Shall Return 86240260


Matthew 24:35

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mark 13:31

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:32

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


The day and hour that the heavens and earth pass away is the context of what YESHUA said.

And that event will not happen until the End of the Millennium.

pre-tribbers are among the worst at misquoting verses out of their context

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Revelation 11:15

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Leviticus 25:9

Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land.

Leviticus 25:10

‘And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.

The Last Trump on YHWH's calendar occurs on a Yom Kippur in a Jubilee year.

The possession of the owner is restored.

The kingdoms of this world, become the Kingdoms of our Adonai

Shall return to his possession

Shall return

...
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Matthew 24:35

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mark 13:31

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:32

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


The day and hour that the heavens and earth pass away is the context of what YESHUA said.

And that event will not happen until the End of the Millennium.

pre-tribbers are among the worst at misquoting verses out of their context

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As a Thief, to whom?

1 Thessalonians 5:4

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Luke 12:39

And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

A thief to those not watching, and those who have a distorted view of the scriptures is a given without question.

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
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As a Thief, to whom?
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Jesus said the 'tares' are removed first.
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Know them by their fruits.

For instance..

Thread: WORLD RENOWNED RAPTURE TARD RICK WARREN...IS DYING FROM THE VAX HE PUSHED..IS PRO NWO..AND PRO LGBTQ
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And again.

Its a fruits issue.

Thread: The REAL QUESTION IS....why oh WHY ARE RAPTURE TARDS PUSHING THE VAX??
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And AGAIN..

They show us WHO they actually TRUST.

Thread: Here we go....RAPTURE TARDS TURNING TO SATAN FOR RAPTURE PREDICTION. A NEW LOW FOR THEM.
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The Lord said WATCH… at least the rapture believers are watching and have joy in looking forward to his glorious appearing. If they are mistaken they will find out in due season. Why stomp on them? It is no skin off your nose if the next guy is excited to think of the Lord’s coming! People that stomp on rapture believers make me very suspicious….what are YOU so afraid of ..hmmm?
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The Lord said WATCH… at least the rapture believers are watching and have joy in looking forward to his glorious appearing. If they are mistaken they will find out in due season. Why stomp on them? It is no skin off your nose if the next guy is excited to think of the Lord’s coming! People that stomp on rapture believers make me very suspicious….what are YOU so afraid of ..hmmm?
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Thry watch thrir bank accounts.

And LOTS of CP.

Thats about it.
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Thread: why do rapture tards teach the opposite of what the bible says??
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Rev 11:11-12 and 1Thess 4:16-17 are both the hapazo but Pre-tribbers will not acknowledge it because then that would mean the hapazo happens after the tribulation because the 2 witnesses go through the tribulation.
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Why are you rapture haters so obsessed with talking about it?

Why do you care so much?

You’re obviously not going in the rapture so perhaps move on and do something else with your life like prepping or whatever it is you wannabe superheroes think you’re gonna do to survive the tribulation?

Do you really have nothing better to do than to try to debunk something you choose not to believe?

Don’t you think that’s a bit weird?

The rapture isn’t for you and that’s why you can’t see it in scripture. It’s a mystery on purpose, and a stumbling block to people like you who just can’t stand that people believe in the rapture.

We get it, you don’t wanna go. But that doesn’t mean you’re gonna stop it from happening, no matter how hard you try.
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The Lord said WATCH… at least the rapture believers are watching and have joy in looking forward to his glorious appearing. If they are mistaken they will find out in due season. Why stomp on them? It is no skin off your nose if the next guy is excited to think of the Lord’s coming! People that stomp on rapture believers make me very suspicious….what are YOU so afraid of ..hmmm?
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Thry watch thrir bank accounts.

And LOTS of CP.

Thats about it.
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Ah there’s that rapture hating Aussie again

Dude you have serious mental illness

You can’t stop talking about the rapture and hating and slandering those who do

There’s something very wrong with you

You are disturbed and in need of some kind of help
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It will be a great joy to not have to deal with people like you once we’re in heaven

You won’t be there
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Rev 11:11-12 and 1Thess 4:16-17 are both the hapazo but Pre-tribbers will not acknowledge it because then that would mean the hapazo happens after the tribulation because the 2 witnesses go through the tribulation.
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And you’re another one who is pathologically obsessed with talking about the rapture

How much time do you spend on here with post after post after post after post about how much you hate the rapture and those who are waiting for it?

Thank God we won’t have to deal with you and your evil kind anymore after we’re raptured
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Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.

Witnesses with the Testimony right before the 7th Angel Sounding. Then Tabernacle in Heaven opens and Christ revealed in flaming fire and there is NO HEAVEN or EARTH.
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Rev 10:6 that there should be time no longer

Voice of the Archangel will be heard also.
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Why are you rapture haters so obsessed with talking about it?

Why do you care so much?

You’re obviously not going in the rapture so perhaps move on and do something else with your life like prepping or whatever it is you wannabe superheroes think you’re gonna do to survive the tribulation?

Do you really have nothing better to do than to try to debunk something you choose not to believe?

Don’t you think that’s a bit weird?

The rapture isn’t for you and that’s why you can’t see it in scripture. It’s a mystery on purpose, and a stumbling block to people like you who just can’t stand that people believe in the rapture.

We get it, you don’t wanna go. But that doesn’t mean you’re gonna stop it from happening, no matter how hard you try.
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"judgement trumpet 4/23/2023"????

Hogwash.

Read Revelation Ch. 6 & 7. Many will die before

the Raptue / Resurrection of Revelation 11.

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Why are you rapture haters so obsessed with talking about it? Why do you care so much?

The rapture isn’t for you...
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Why is it that you people DENY the scriptures?

Last Trump as Paul said....

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become
THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS
Christ; and he shall reign for ever and EVER.


...

Resurrection, Judgement and Reward after the Two Witnesses just a few verses earlier.

And nations don't exist in heaven. This is the Resurrection / Rapture.


Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy
servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.





GLP