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Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank

 
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A British think tank analyzed the failures of Ukraine’s counteroffensive on September 4th. According to the report, prepared by 2-analysts from the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), Ukrainian forces are facing enormous losses of equipment and the training provided by the West is not adapted to the type of battle they are fighting against Russia.

“Attempts at rapid breakthrough have resulted in an unsustainable rate of equipment loss,” the London-based think tank reported.

Conclusions about the reasons for the failure of Kiev’s counteroffensive were drawn from the study of tactical actions for 2-weeks in the villages of Novodarovka and Rovnopol, which are located across the border between Donetsk and Zaporozhye. ...“this approach is slow” and the approximately 700–1,200 yards of progress every five days made by Ukrainian troops, was “allowing Russian forces to reset.”

RUSI calls Russia’s actions during the counteroffensive “a tactical success,” noting that the Eurasian country’s military had inflicted enough equipment losses on Ukraine early on to degrade the scope of the ordered maneuvers.

The analysis also noted the counteroffensive was limited by the poor training of Ukrainian soldiers, the methods taught by NATO are designed for forces with different configurations than Kiev’s troops. The report also highlights the adaptation capacity of Russian forces on the battlefield, pointing out this element as key to their success.

RUSI said that Ukraine’s counteroffensive requires fire dominance and that it was critical to ensure this advantage by properly resourcing ammunition production and spares whilst also making “preparations for winter fighting, and subsequent campaign seasons now, if [the] initiative is to be retained into 2024.”

This will obviously not come to fruition as Kiev has never had fire dominance at any point in 2023, and certainly will not now that their stocks are exhausted while Russia’s stock remains healthy.

The RUSI study is the most recent international assessment that accounts for Ukraine’s failure in the conflict with Russia. European and American media and officials have admitted this failure after several months of baseless coverage of what was happening on the ground.

The report is unique because it comes from Britain, which has a fully controlled narrative on the war, unlike even in the US, where some Republicans and certain corners of the media openly disparage Ukraine. This is one of the first major British information sources to openly and categorically acknowledge that Ukrainian forces are struggling and that Russia has achieved “tactical success.”

This disappointing result has caused Washington’s frustration with Kiev, for what they consider a poor strategy on the battlefield.

“Despite the colossal losses, the Kiev regime has already been trying to carry out the so-called counteroffensive for three months. In none of the lines of operations have the Ukrainian Armed Forces achieved their objectives,” the minister said.

Ukrainian forces have lost more than 66,000 troops and 7,600 pieces of military equipment since the start of their counteroffensive, Shoigu reported. Russian air defence also shot down more than 1,000 Ukrainian drones over the last month. 159 Himars, multiple launch missiles, 13 cruise missiles, and 34 command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were also destroyed.

Kiev is still moving forward despite unrealistic expectations, a lack of necessary equipment and tough Russian defenses. However, there are concerns that such expectations could mean Ukraine receives less support from Western countries in the future and thus put the final nail in the coffin for the counteroffensive.

Russian President Vladimir Putin stressed in his recent meeting with his Turkish counterpart that he never rejected mediation proposals on Ukraine; adding, the progress of the Ukrainian counteroffensive was not a stalemate but “a failure.”

It is a widespread belief now that the counteroffensive has failed, with Kiev and London being the only strongholds contesting against this; however, as the RUSI report demonstrates, the gripping reality is slowly beginning to set in, even in London.

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and so it goes

DC and the EU will throw gasoline on the fire, vis' a vis taxpayer money and Washington corruption gone wild.
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Sounds they are doing a good job of dispersing and genociding the "Ukrainians".

Perhaps, that was the first objective.

For many here that smugly think they know what is going on,
You don't.
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Sounds they are doing a good job of dispersing and genociding the "Ukrainians".

Perhaps, that was the first objective.

For many here that smugly think they know what is going on,
You don't.
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That's definitely what's going on.
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Sounds they are doing a good job of dispersing and genociding the "Ukrainians".

Perhaps, that was the first objective.

For many here that smugly think they know what is going on,
You don't.
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the first objective was to stop NATO expansion to the border with Russia. It's all or nothing for Russia. The US, EU, IL, and Ukraine Ndrangheta Mafia knew this well, but there are far too many corrupt as hell skeletons hiding in UA, and the US, IL, EU, UA, and Ndrangheta Mafia will do anything to keep from having their drugs' distribution, child distribution, biological weapons' labs, money laundering banking, import/export businesses exposed for all the world to see.

other than obama, who else runs the biden showboat, and who ran the clinton/s campaigns and office? Hint - he and his brother are Ndrangheta Mafia.
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
The US population at the start of the Civil War (both sides) was about what Ukraine's was at the beginning of the Russian/Ukrainian War. The US had about 700,000 killed in that War.

THUS ... IF Ukraine has had about 160,000 killed so far (a guess, estimates range from 60,000 to 500,000) then Ukraine only has to have another 540,000 MORE DEAD Ukrainian Men before it matches the US's male losses (per capita) in the US's Civil War.

Get cracking Ukraine ... you aren't losing men fast enough which means you aren't fighting seriously enough!!
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
hey ruskie groomer, could you point to the exact part in the article where it says "66,000 men + 7,600) you cuck sucking lying piece of shit??

everything else in that analysis is quite understandable,
given how little equipment was given by the west and how incompetent NATO militaries are....I mean when was the last time the US or NATO fought anybody but some desert tribes on camels
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now y'all know how indebted you all are to Ukraine,
they single handedly saved the western civilization

if Putin only chose to attach the Baltics and then take it south through Poland and onto Berlin, the russian troops would probably be washing their boots in the English Channel by Christmas of 2022
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remember that day when Donald Trump went to Berlin to scold Merkel on their pathetic .257% of GDP they were spending on their militaries, instead expecting the US pick up the slack...well all of NATO is like that

Putin is a complete full and his maniacal hatred of Ukraine is to blame
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remember that day when Donald Trump went to Berlin to scold Merkel on their pathetic .257% of GDP they were spending on their militaries, instead expecting the US pick up the slack...well all of NATO is like that

Putin is a complete full and his maniacal hatred of Ukraine is to blame
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80487910


I guess that Syrian pipeline thingy and Nuland’s coup had nothing to do with it??
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
Good numbers.

Hopefully next month will be higher

Why aren't Yukranian women helping and fighting????
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
The US population at the start of the Civil War (both sides) was about what Ukraine's was at the beginning of the Russian/Ukrainian War. The US had about 700,000 killed in that War.

THUS ... IF Ukraine has had about 160,000 killed so far (a guess, estimates range from 60,000 to 500,000) then Ukraine only has to have another 540,000 MORE DEAD Ukrainian Men before it matches the US's male losses (per capita) in the US's Civil War.

Get cracking Ukraine ... you aren't losing men fast enough which means you aren't fighting seriously enough!!
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They are at well over 400,000 killed and another 600,000 wounded that will never return, they have at best another 250,000 left awaiting their turn in the russian meat grinder
That does not even include all the soldiers taken prisoner, defected
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Good numbers.

Hopefully next month will be higher

Why aren't Yukranian women helping and fighting????
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Israel took most of them and the children into human trafficking, prostitution , porn, organ harvesting
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The Obama secret government is working hand in glove with Putin. You won't believe it until it's too late.

Obama has everyone fooled with his "pretends to hate Putin schtick."
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
remember that day when Donald Trump went to Berlin to scold Merkel on their pathetic .257% of GDP they were spending on their militaries, instead expecting the US pick up the slack...well all of NATO is like that

Putin is a complete full and his maniacal hatred of Ukraine is to blame
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I guess that Syrian pipeline thingy and Nuland’s coup had nothing to do with it??
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hey Flying Evil

can you respond to the peeps in this thread
they are excoriating you in there

or are you a little simp soy boy cuck?
and a coward LOL
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
remember that day when Donald Trump went to Berlin to scold Merkel on their pathetic .257% of GDP they were spending on their militaries, instead expecting the US pick up the slack...well all of NATO is like that

Putin is a complete full and his maniacal hatred of Ukraine is to blame
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I guess that Syrian pipeline thingy and Nuland’s coup had nothing to do with it??
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hey Flying Evil

can you respond to the peeps in this thread
they are excoriating you in there

or are you a little simp soy boy cuck?
and a coward LOL

Thread: BRUTAL Russian Propaganda Video Video Targets Ukraine’s Force Conscripted Soldiers
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Good numbers.

Hopefully next month will be higher

Why aren't Yukranian women helping and fighting????
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you mean the completely made up numbers that the OP pulled out of his ass??

epiclol
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hey ruskie groomer, could you point to the exact part in the article where it says "66,000 men + 7,600) you cuck sucking lying piece of shit??

everything else in that analysis is quite understandable,
given how little equipment was given by the west and how incompetent NATO militaries are....I mean when was the last time the US or NATO fought anybody but some desert tribes on camels
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The US can't commit air power because Russia is capable of shooting down US bombers faster than the US can replace them. Why does this matter? If too many planes are shot down while doing combat support, they won't be able to use them in a nuclear attack in sufficient numbers to inflict lasting harm to Russia.

This is how Obama's secret government is fucking the US and the West while helping Putin.
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hey ruskie groomer, could you point to the exact part in the article where it says "66,000 men + 7,600) you cuck sucking lying piece of shit??

everything else in that analysis is quite understandable,
given how little equipment was given by the west and how incompetent NATO militaries are....I mean when was the last time the US or NATO fought anybody but some desert tribes on camels
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80610403


The US can't commit air power because Russia is capable of shooting down US bombers faster than the US can replace them. Why does this matter? If too many planes are shot down while doing combat support, they won't be able to use them in a nuclear attack in sufficient numbers to inflict lasting harm to Russia.

This is how Obama's secret government is fucking the US and the West while helping Putin.
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true, and the US soy boy LGBTQ "soldiers" could never fight without air support, nor could they ever take the brutal barrage of the russia artillery

glass jaw army
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why is there so much lying here on Gee aaaL Peee??
what are these stories supposed to achieve??

nobody reads Gee aaaL Peee but the fr1ng3 minority,
so it's not like you're shaping any opinion
and according to you, Ukraine has been defeated many times over, but it's not like your delusions are changing anything on the ground
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hey ruskie groomer, could you point to the exact part in the article where it says "66,000 men + 7,600) you cuck sucking lying piece of shit??

everything else in that analysis is quite understandable,
given how little equipment was given by the west and how incompetent NATO militaries are....I mean when was the last time the US or NATO fought anybody but some desert tribes on camels
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hey ruskie groomer, could you point to the exact part in the article where it says "66,000 men + 7,600) you cuck sucking lying piece of shit??

everything else in that analysis is quite understandable,
given how little equipment was given by the west and how incompetent NATO militaries are....I mean when was the last time the US or NATO fought anybody but some desert tribes on camels
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80610403


Suck it or blow me - I care not

More from the study I posted, for all you Neanderthals who can't read:

..."This disappointing result has caused Washington’s frustration with Kiev for what they consider a poor strategy on the battlefield.

It is recalled that Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky announced the replacement of Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov, who also resigned. Reznikov is embroiled in a series of corruption scandals, making Zelensky explain that the ministry needed “new approaches.”

At the same time, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu declared on September 5 that Ukrainian forces failed in all lines of operations during the three months of their counteroffensive.

“Despite the colossal losses, the Kiev regime has already been trying to carry out the so-called counteroffensive for three months. In none of the lines of operations have the Ukrainian Armed Forces achieved their objectives,” the minister said.

Ukrainian forces have lost more than 66,000 troops and 7,600 pieces of military equipment since the start of their counteroffensive, Shoigu reported. Russian air defence also shot down more than 1,000 Ukrainian drones over the last month. 159 Himars, multiple launch missiles, 13 cruise missiles, and 34 command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.

In this manner, the attrition rate is becoming increasingly rapid for Ukrainian forces. ..."
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ukraine is done. time for capitulation. if not? Russia will simply drag this out even MORE and destroy what's left of the AFU

ukrainians are being way too hot headed, arrogant, foolish and over zealous though, as always. that will NEVER change
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Re: Ukraine's Huge Counteroffensive Losses (66,000 men + 7,600 pieces of equipment) Are “UNSUSTAINABLE” – British Think Tank
why is there so much lying here on Gee aaaL Peee??
what are these stories supposed to achieve??

nobody reads Gee aaaL Peee but the fr1ng3 minority,
so it's not like you're shaping any opinion
and according to you, Ukraine has been defeated many times over, but it's not like your delusions are changing anything on the ground
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I only share this shite because far too many people on both sides aren't outraged and enraged enough.

UA is a puppet, and its corrupt and pathetic leadership, along with his many corrupt sponsors, are more than happy to see 100's of thousands of men destroyed in order to satisfy his ego and their profound want for power and wealth. UA would have never elected the moron Ze under any circumstance other than him being the biggest, notable dupe going. He is an hyper-paid shill for the West. The countries of the EU, and the newly hatched states so "terrified" of Russia (they've been living side-by-side without altercation since WWII), they lunge into the welcoming arms of the US version of Zelensky - duh-biden, more corrupt than any president before him, with all kinds of sick proclivities, and a family that stands there right with him.

On the other hand, you have Putin, who laid his cards out for all the world to see, and for over a decade, he has cautioned the US/West/NATO to not introduce NATO into UA or states bordering Russia. The rationale being: would the US be comfortable if Russia set up major military bases in Cuba, Mexico, Canada? I think not.

So now you have 400,000 m/l men from UA killed, and maybe 100,000 men from RU killed, and for what? So some vile, wealthy, fat cats can get rid of old weapons and munitions, making the world's MIC extra fat and happy, and then proceed to order up next decades versions of the ultimate weapons, making the world's MIC extra fat and happy. And all the fat, evil businesses and fat, evil politicians stand and cheer, while the tired and afraid soldiers offer their souls and lives to the aristocrat's nightmare.

"In time of danger and not before,
God and the soldier we adore.

All danger past and all things righted,
God is forgot and the soldier is slighted."
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And the world stands by, permitting the insanity, not forcing a mediated resolution, because that's what we are willing to put up with. The UN be damned.

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remember that day when Donald Trump went to Berlin to scold Merkel on their pathetic .257% of GDP they were spending on their militaries, instead expecting the US pick up the slack...well all of NATO is like that

Putin is a complete full and his maniacal hatred of Ukraine is to blame
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80487910


I guess that Syrian pipeline thingy and Nuland’s coup had nothing to do with it??
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


hey Flying Evil

can you respond to the peeps in this thread
they are excoriating you in there

or are you a little simp soy boy cuck?
and a coward LOL
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He doesn't need to respond to lil NAFO pfhaagits like you.

Lolatu

You're getting your ass kicked in Ukraine.

Lil bitch.
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remember that day when Donald Trump went to Berlin to scold Merkel on their pathetic .257% of GDP they were spending on their militaries, instead expecting the US pick up the slack...well all of NATO is like that

Putin is a complete full and his maniacal hatred of Ukraine is to blame
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80487910


I guess that Syrian pipeline thingy and Nuland’s coup had nothing to do with it??
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


hey Flying Evil

can you respond to the peeps in this thread
they are excoriating you in there

or are you a little simp soy boy cuck?
and a coward LOL

Thread: BRUTAL Russian Propaganda Video Video Targets Ukraine’s Force Conscripted Soldiers
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All I see is some nut job wanting to flame troll. Try it elsewhere, kid.
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When's the end of that 3 day special military operation, Igor?
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Good numbers.

Hopefully next month will be higher

Why aren't Yukranian women helping and fighting????
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you mean the completely made up numbers that the OP pulled out of his ass??

epiclol
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That “500,000 dead Ukrainians” keeps popping up again and again.
This time in the EU NATO Meeting today.

Note that Stoltenberg doesn’t deny it, actually seems to confirm it, just basically said, “Well, that’s War for ya’!”



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bsflag



they broke through their lines
orcs are done

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All Russia has to do is sit back and wait for NATO to realize they arnt going anywhere.





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