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Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

These are all the SAME event.

1. Jesus - Trumpet then Resurrection

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


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2. Paul - 1 Corinthians 15 - Trumpet then Resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


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And yes, Paul is talking about when Christ Returns.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order:

Christ the firstfruits; afterward

they that are Christ's at his coming


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3. Paul - 1 Thessalonians - Trumpet then Resurrection

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,

and with the trump of God: and

the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain

shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

to meet the Lord in the air:

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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4. John (from Jesus) - Revelation 11 - Trumpet then Resurrection

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded;

and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become

THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and EVER.


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Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward

unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


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1. Last Trump happens first. There's NO trumpets before the Tribulation.

1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. Dead rise first.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

3. Rapture of the living "alive and remain"

1 Thessalonians 4:17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52

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Revelation 11:18 is the "Rewards" Resurrection from Revelation 20:4-6.

It's NOT the Second Resurrection from Revelation 20:11-15

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward

unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


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Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon
them, and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished.

This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part
in the first resurrection:


on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and
of Christ, and shall reign with
him a thousand years.


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Thanks for posting the TRUTH!!!!!!!
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Thanks for posting the TRUTH!!!!!!!
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Churches don't receive 'rewards'.

Individual believers do.


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Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy
servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.




Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come

in the glory of his Father with his angels;

and then he shall reward every man according to his works.



Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly;

and my reward is with me,

to give every man according as his work shall be.


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There's a passage in Daniel about the end times and "changing of laws and times..."

It seems to be speaking about earthly/worldly laws.

Daniel 7: 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Most people take the above passage to mean that Biblical laws will be changed. We're currently seeing natural laws being changed. With the most recent fabricated push for impeachment of President Trump. The congressional democrats are working on changing a historical law that would allow them to indite a sitting president.

Politicus USA reported:

Rep. Kathrine Clark (D-MA) said that House Democrats are going to pursue changing the law so that a sitting president can be indicted while in office.

Rev. Al Sharpton asked Rep. Clark on MSNBC, “Speaker Pelosi has said there needs to be laws also that deals with this whole policy of the justice department that you can’t indict a sitting president. Is there something that you think the congress will pursue since your caucus is the majority now in the House?”

With the democrat's most recent whistle-blower, the democrats literally changed house rules on impeaching a sitting President. The new rules gives the democrat party the power to control the Judiciary house committee. The democrats changed this rule on the very day that the whistle-blower came out.

Many politicians are in the pocket of the globalists as they work to bring in their "new world order."

They will change the laws and the rules in order to get their way.

We've seen several laws changed by the democrats, from public defecation in California, to laws that push for "gender equality." No parent should be alright with the idea of a man dressed as a woman entering the same public bathroom's that their daughters use.

The law changes that the globalists have been bringing in are not for the benefit of the people. Anyone paying attention knows that these law changes benefit the Babylonian, new world order system.

I know that this is a slightly different subject, but was wondering what you think OP?
I mean, it's all part of the "end times," and it sort of hit me that the issues with the constitution that they are trying to void are all a part of it all.

Also, from my own studies, I do not see any definitive examples that a rapture will happen any time soon.

In fact, In Matthew, one of the things that Jesus said is:"Matthew 24: 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

That makes me think that things are going to be pretty bad, and not every Christian will "endure to the end."
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dude. shut the fuck up with this rapture garbage.

NOTHING IS COMING TO SAVE US!! WE ARE FUCKED OK!?
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In fact, In Matthew, one of the things that Jesus said is:"Matthew 24: 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

That makes me think that things are going to be pretty bad, and not every Christian will "endure to the end."
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dude. shut the front door

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Don't forget the cosmic disturbances right before His Arrival / Resurrection / Rapture:


"For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine." Is 13:10

"And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light." Ez 32:7


"The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining" Joel 2:10

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." Joel 2:31

"The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining." Joel 3:15

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken" Matt 24:29

"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light" Mark 13:24

"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring" Luke 21:25

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come" Acts 2:20

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" Rev 6:12
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dude. shut the fuck up with this rapture garbage.

NOTHING IS COMING TO SAVE US!! WE ARE FUCKED OK!?
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This guy is having a rapture rupture.
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In fact, In Matthew, one of the things that Jesus said is:"Matthew 24: 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

That makes me think that things are going to be pretty bad, and not every Christian will "endure to the end."
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That is part of the Testing. Many Christians decided to sacrifice to Idols instead of being murdered by the Romans.

So it shall be at the End.
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How Many Believers Will Deny Jesus When No Pre-Trib Rapture Happens?

How many millions of Christians will lose their Faith - even curse and blaspheme at Father God and Jesus - when the false Pre-Trib Rapture doesn't happen?

It will be part of the great 'falling away' / apostasy that will happen just before the Mark of the Beast.

The 'hour of trial'.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept
the word of my patience,

I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,

which shall come upon all the world,

to try them that dwell upon the earth.


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Christians have been dying of tribulation for 2000 years. Yet somehow, End Times Believers are apparently 'more worthy' to escapte Tribulation than all those who already died.

Talk about the mother of all Entitlements.

Jesus never promised to save people from Tribulation. He Saves people from Judgement.

Does Jesus love you folks more than Stephen, who was stoned to death? He saw Jesus in Heaven just before he died. Jesus 'came for Stephen'.

How many people on their death bed claim to see angels or even Jesus?

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Paul said...

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The word "tribulation" occurs 22 times in 22 verses in the KJV.
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Events BEFORE the Rapture.

Abomination of desolation
Man of sin revealed
The great falling away
The Last Trump
The Resurrection of the dead in Christ

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Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


More witness verses...

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,

and by our gathering together unto him,



Eph 1:10 - That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might

gather together in one all things in Christ,

both which are in heaven,

and which are on earth;
even in him:



Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels,

and shall gather together his elect

from the four winds,
from the uttermost part of the earth to
the uttermost part of heaven.


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1 Thessalonians 4

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Key phrases.

0. "we which are alive and remain"

Those are Believers - including Elect - that weren't killed prior to Jesus' return. Remain from what? The Tribulation.

1. "THE coming of the Lord". Jesus returns once. No scripture states otherwise.

2. "trump of God". This is the "last trump" that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15:52. For further reference, see the Seven Trumpets of Revelation.

3. "caught up together". This is the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation.

4. "in the clouds". Jesus used the SAME phrase describing His Return.

5. "alive and remain" also matches the words "endureth to the end" (Matthew 10:22) "endure unto the end" (Mark 13:13) and "overcometh" (Revelation 2:26)

6. Jesus returns "after the Tribulation".

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

7. Tribulation is not wrath. Scripture proves this.
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Thread: Revelation 6:9 Souls of Believers - Not Raprure / Resurrected People

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DOES IT MATTER WHEN
ALL SINNERS ARE SAVED ANYWAY.
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Nothing is coming to save you. It is a delusion to keep you docile so you do not act because you think "your god will take care of it."
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I thought I was the only one who saw it.

clappa
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Its satans way.

Keep the sheep fat and lazy.

Bit like the Q tard crap.
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Satan does not want people looking for Jesus, agreed?
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I agree.

Thats why he invented the pre trib doctrine so people would see the endless LIES told in GODS NAME and the endless FALSE DEMONOC PROPHECIES...AND DO WHAT?

LAUGH AT THE ENTIRE IDEA OF JESUS..CHRISTIANS..AND GOD HIMSELF.

WELL DONE RAPTURE TARDS.

YOUR FATHER..SATAN...IS SOOOOOO PROUD OF YOU.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK HE SAYS.

THERE ARE PLENTY MORE PEOPLE TURN AWAY FROM GOD YET.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO NOW IS QUICKLY POST A "RAPTURE AT CHRISTMAS" THREAD.


LIKE LAST CHRIATMAS...

AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT...

AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT..

ETC...


And THEN...SOME EASTER 24 RAPTURE THREADS.

LOTS OF THEM.

LIKE LAST YEAR...

AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT...

AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT ETC..
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Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

These are all the SAME event.

1. Jesus - Trumpet then Resurrection

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


.

2. Paul - 1 Corinthians 15 - Trumpet then Resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


.

And yes, Paul is talking about when Christ Returns.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order:

Christ the firstfruits; afterward

they that are Christ's at his coming


.

3. Paul - 1 Thessalonians - Trumpet then Resurrection

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,

and with the trump of God: and

the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain

shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

to meet the Lord in the air:

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


.

4. John (from Jesus) - Revelation 11 - Trumpet then Resurrection

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded;

and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become

THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and EVER.


.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward

unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


......

1. Last Trump happens first. There's NO trumpets before the Tribulation.

1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. Dead rise first.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

3. Rapture of the living "alive and remain"

1 Thessalonians 4:17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52

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Sure takes a lot of words for you to tell this lie...
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Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

These are all the SAME event.

1. Jesus - Trumpet then Resurrection

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


.

2. Paul - 1 Corinthians 15 - Trumpet then Resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,

at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


.

And yes, Paul is talking about when Christ Returns.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order:

Christ the firstfruits; afterward

they that are Christ's at his coming


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3. Paul - 1 Thessalonians - Trumpet then Resurrection

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,

and with the trump of God: and

the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain

shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

to meet the Lord in the air:

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


.

4. John (from Jesus) - Revelation 11 - Trumpet then Resurrection

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded;

and there were great voices in heaven, saying,

The kingdoms of this world are become

THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and EVER.


.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

and the time of the dead,

that they should be judged,

and that thou shouldest give reward

unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,


and them that fear thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


......

1. Last Trump happens first. There's NO trumpets before the Tribulation.

1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. Dead rise first.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

3. Rapture of the living "alive and remain"

1 Thessalonians 4:17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52
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Sure takes a lot of words for you to tell this lie...
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Lie? That post is virtually all scripture.

Prove it wrong.

You can't.

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How Many Believers Will Deny Jesus When No Pre-Trib Rapture Happens?

How many millions of Christians will lose their Faith - even curse and blaspheme at Father God and Jesus - when the false Pre-Trib Rapture doesn't happen?

It will be part of the great 'falling away' / apostasy that will happen just before the Mark of the Beast.

The 'hour of trial'.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept
the word of my patience,

I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,

which shall come upon all the world,

to try them that dwell upon the earth.


.

Christians have been dying of tribulation for 2000 years. Yet somehow, End Times Believers are apparently 'more worthy' to escapte Tribulation than all those who already died.

Talk about the mother of all Entitlements.

Jesus never promised to save people from Tribulation. He Saves people from Judgement.

Does Jesus love you folks more than Stephen, who was stoned to death? He saw Jesus in Heaven just before he died. Jesus 'came for Stephen'.

How many people on their death bed claim to see angels or even Jesus?

...

Paul said...

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The word "tribulation" occurs 22 times in 22 verses in the KJV.
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Good word! ^ ^ ^ ^ T R U T H ^ ^ ^ ^
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These 2 topics help explain in more detail.

Thread: Scriptural Harmony - Keywords and Phrases Disprove a Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: The Resurrection is the Main Event - Not the Rapture - Revelation / End Times

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