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Debunking the Pre-Trib Rapture Talking Points

 
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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. The Resurrection of those 'dead in Christ' - 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

Thread: Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: Revelation 11 - The Last Trump, Resurrection, Judgement, Reward - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: The Resurrection is the Main Event - Not the Rapture - Revelation / End Times

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1. Imminency.

A. We're supposed to look, watch, and wait for Yahshua(Jesus') imminent return.

B. The non-Pre-Trib positions ALL require certain things to happen 1st before Yahshua(Jesus) can return.
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A. 2000 years later...still hasn't happened.

On top of that, 170 years of failed Pre-Trib Rapture predictions.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly;

and my reward is with me,

to give every man according as his work shall be.



"Quickly" doesn't mean "soon".

'Immenant' isn't probably a correct assessment of what Jesus was saying.

It's clear that Jesus didn't have ALL the information about the End Times when He spoke to the Apostles. Proof of this is the fact that Jesus was given the Revelation from the Father 60+ years after His death, which He then gave to John, which was 30+ years after Paul and Peter were killed.

In other words, Jesus didn't have full knowledge of the End Times at the 'Matthew 24' timestamp.

He still doesn't know what day or hour He will Return.


B. Both 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mention a "trumpet", as do Revelation 11:15, and Matthew 24:31, as well as the dead being Resurrected. These events can NOT be ignored.

Other events...

Abomination of desolation
Man of sin revealed
The great falling away

Thread: The Return of Christ Was NEVER Imminent

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2. Dispensation of the Tribulation. The Bible states that Daniel's 70th Week/Tribulation/Great Tribulation/Time of Jacob's Trouble/Day of the Lord/Wrath of God are all things related to God's dealing with Israel getting ready to restore it back to His grace.
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Daniel 9 is about the Messiah's ministry. The phrase 'shall be cut off' clearly does NOT refer to the End Times. It's about the times just before and after Christ's ministry.

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Daniel 9

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


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Once you remove the false 'Passover' of John 6:4, Jesus ministry is about 70 weeks - roughly 'the acceptable YEAR of the Lord' in Isaiah and Luke.

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the
LORD,
and the day of vengeance of our
God; to comfort all that mourn;



Luke 4:18-19

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach
deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.



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3. Dispensation of the Church. The Church is promised to be taken up to the Father's House. (John 14:1-3)
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Nope. Not 'the church' - just Believers as individuals. And Jesus was refering to 'preparing a place' for them in Heaven to reside in after they were killed.

Didn't He 'receieve' Stephen just before he died from stoning?

And the rest of the disciples all died as individuals - as they weren't taken as a group to Heaven. The 'Church' won't be taken as a group to Heaven either.


The obvious answer would be that the Apostles will have a 'special place' in Heaven.

Thread: Does Enoch Explain the Jesus / Thief "Paradise" & the "Lazarus / Rich Man" Places?

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4. Time Gap Needed.

A. The Judgment Seat of Christ (or 'Bema' in Greek)

B. The Bride of Christ (the true Assembly(Church)

C. The 24 Elders around the Throne in heaven appear to be very representative of the Church.
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A. No 'judgements' happen until AFTER Satan is tossed into the 'bottomless pit' of Revelation 20:3.

Judgement happens for Believers etc... in Revelation 11:15 which matches Revelation 20:4, and then the rest in Revelation 20:12.


B. Revelation 19:1 And after these things... precedes the "marriage supper" passage. This is NOT before the Tribulation. This probably is just before the Wrath of Revelation 15.


C. No scripture says the 'church' gets taken to Heaven.

The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT modern day priests. Most likely they are Old Testament prophets and the 12 Apostles.

How about Moses? Daniel? Isaiah? Jeremiah?

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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. The Resurrection of those 'dead in Christ' - 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

Thread: Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: Revelation 11 - The Last Trump, Resurrection, Judgement, Reward - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: The Resurrection is the Main Event - Not the Rapture - Revelation / End Times

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Actually if you read Josephus history of the first century, you'll see that all the events in the book of Revelation happened in 68-72AD.

Preterism is the truth

Futurism is a false doctrine

The end
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5. The Presence of the Holy Spirit.
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No scripture says the Holy Spirit is removed from Earth.

No scripture says the Holy Spirit is "the restrainer".

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6. Here are some comparisons between the Rapture & the 2nd Coming:

A. Rapture: is a Mystery, a newly revealed truth (1 Cor. 15:51-54; Col. 1:26) not known to the Old Testament prophets

B. Rapture: Translated saints go up to heaven.

C. Rapture: Earth is not judged at that time.

D. Rapture: Is for Believers only
2nd Coming: Is for everyone

E. Rapture: Happens before the Day of Wrath
2nd Coming: Concludes the Day of Wrath
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A. True, but you cannot overlook that a trumpet sounds and that the Resurrection happens BEFORE the Rapture.

B. No scripture states that the church is taken to Heaven. Christ brings His "reward" with Him when He comes. Revelation 22:12

C. True, because the true Wrath is afterwards in Revelation 15 with the Seven Vials.

D. Total nonsense. 2nd Coming is for Believers - the First Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6. All others get resurrected and judged after the Millenial Reign Revelation 20:12.

E. Nonsense. No scripture supports that the 2nd Coming concludes the day of Wrath. "After the Tribulation". Read Revelation 11 then 15.

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7. Practical Results of a Pre-Trib Rapture.
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Christians missing the Great Tribulation isn't practical. It's foolishness.

For 2000 years Believers have suffered tribualtion and persecution in various forms and places around the wrold.

No scripture states that 'the curch' will miss the Tribulation of the End Times. Verses used as support are taken out of context.

AND...there's no Biblical precedent for it.

Tribulation is NOT and has never been God's Wrath.

Thread: The Great Tribulation is Not Wrath - Rapture End Times - KJV Bible Study

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8. Yahshua(Jesus) Himself taught about the coming Rapture.
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No He didn't. Every verse and passage used to claim such is taken out of context.

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9. Whoever said that everyone must suffer through the Tribulation to be purified?
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No one. Yet Paul says this...

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that

we must through much tribulation

enter into the kingdom of od.


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Tribulation isn't Wrath, and the 'End Times' Tribulation isn't Wrath either.

Think about it.

For the last 2000 years, Christians have died from...

1. Violent persecution

2. Violent storms

3. Wars

4. Famine

5. Plagues

6. Earthquakes

7. Car accidents, diseases, tainted water etc...

NONE of these things were God's 'wrath' - yet they are all the same types of things in the first few Seals in Revelation.

Tribulation isn't wrath folks.

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Actually if you read Josephus history of the first century, you'll see that all the events in the book of Revelation happened in 68-72AD.

Preterism is the truth

Futurism is a false doctrine

The end
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Got a link for that claim?

He was an Israelite. Of course he would deny any End of the World claims by the Apostles.

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I'm a Pre-Trib believer due to just too many scripture talking about it one way or another (directly or as a typology). However, one needs to remain open-minded. I'm about to leave for work and will deep dive into this thread over the weekend.

OP - thank you for presenting the thread without the typical low-brow bashing and name-calling (belittling). Adults have intelligent discussions and debates.
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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. The Resurrection of those 'dead in Christ' - 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

Thread: Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: Revelation 11 - The Last Trump, Resurrection, Judgement, Reward - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: The Resurrection is the Main Event - Not the Rapture - Revelation / End Times

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The whole stupid cult has been debunked.

Now you insecure idiots are left to debunk bits and pieces.


You aren’t going to }£\/\/ heaven, tards
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Paul said "at the Last Trump".

Thread: Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: Revelation 11 - The Last Trump, Resurrection, Judgement, Reward - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: The Resurrection is the Main Event - Not the Rapture - Revelation / End Times
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I'm a Pre-Trib believer due to just too many scripture talking about it one way or another (directly or as a typology). However, one needs to remain open-minded. I'm about to leave for work and will deep dive into this thread over the weekend.

OP - thank you for presenting the thread without the typical low-brow bashing and name-calling (belittling). Adults have intelligent discussions and debates.
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Here's the original post I was quoting for this topic.

Don't bother repeating any of the so-called verse evidencce as virtually all of them are taken out of context.

When I call folks out on them all they do is claim "you don't have the Holy Spirit, so you don't understand".

I know misinterpretation when I see it.

Pre-Trib is rampant with it.

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Edit to add the link.

I'm a Pre-Trib believer due to just too many scripture talking about it one way or another (directly or as a typology). However, one needs to remain open-minded. I'm about to leave for work and will deep dive into this thread over the weekend.

OP - thank you for presenting the thread without the typical low-brow bashing and name-calling (belittling). Adults have intelligent discussions and debates.
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Here's the original post I was quoting for this topic.

Thread: The satanic masoretic rapture futurist dispensational flatearth jesuit papist doctrines & AntiScriptural day setting YAHshua return (Page 73)

Don't bother repeating any of the so-called verse evidencce as virtually all of them are taken out of context.

When I call folks out on them all they do is claim "you don't have the Holy Spirit, so you don't understand".

I know misinterpretation when I see it.

Pre-Trib is rampant with it.

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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73709605

This person ^ who denies Jesus as God will ignore everything proving him wrong.

Two-second Google searches debunk his copy and pasted responses in seconds but he has not interest in learning or accepting the truth. He hates the truth.



If the “last trumpet” of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the seventh trumpet, then what was Paul referring to? Both 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians were written long before John wrote Revelation, so Paul’s readers would have no knowledge of the seven trumpets of Revelation. Paul intended for them to understand what he was writing about, so we need to look elsewhere for clarification. Paul’s writing was distinctly in reference to the church and the closing of the church age at the rapture. Throughout Scripture, trumpets were used as signals to gather people, to set armies on the move, and as part of the worship of God. The trumpet that summons the church is called “the trump of God,” while those in Revelation are angelic trumpets.

Since it is a summoning trumpet, we can look to the Old Testament for further understanding. Numbers 10 gives instruction to Israel about the use of trumpets to call an assembly of the people and to set them in motion. The first trumpet blast (v. 4) called the leaders together, while a continual blowing was an alarm for the people. A series of trumpet blasts was the signal for each group of tribes to begin their journey, and the last blast indicated the movement of the last group in the camp. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:23 speaks of different orders, or ranks, in the resurrection: “Every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming.” Further, 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 divides Christ’s own into two groups—the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain.

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OP, look up Ken Johnson on youtube. He is a scholar and an expert in ancient texts. Has been studying eschatology for decades.

He systematically goes through the viewpoints and it is overwhelmingly obvious that the Body of Christ is taken oit of the world before the seven year Tribulation. The early church fathers wrote of it. The Catholic Church destroyed true Christianity and spiritualized the Bible and mixed it with paganism.
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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73709605

This person ^ who denies Jesus as God will ignore everything proving him wrong.

Two-second Google searches debunk his copy and pasted responses in seconds but he has not interest in learning or accepting the truth. He hates the truth.

If the “last trumpet” of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the seventh trumpet, then what was Paul referring to? Both 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians were written long before John wrote Revelation....
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So what?

Revelation was given by God to Jesus for a FURTHER explanation about the End Times than what had already been said / written about.

On top of that...

Jesus - Trumpet then Resurrection

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect
from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


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He systematically goes through the viewpoints and it is overwhelmingly obvious that the Body of Christ is taken oit of the world...
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Pure nonsense.

I don't care what any man says.

The Bible makes it clear the Last Trump will happen just before the Resurrection / Rapture.

Revelation 11:15 fits like hand and glove with 1 Cor. 15 and 1 Thess 4:16.

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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.
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movement of the last group in the camp. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:23 speaks of different orders, or ranks, in the resurrection: “Every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming.” Further, 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 divides Christ’s own into two groups—the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain.

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Utter hogwash.

What part of 'the dead in Christ rise first' is it that you gail to acknowledge????

1 Thess 4:16 is a witness verse to Revelation 11:18.

The Rapture isn't in Revelation because it's a small event as compared to the Resurrection of Believers from 2000 years of time.

Unreal.

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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73709605

This person ^ who denies Jesus as God will ignore everything proving him wrong.

Two-second Google searches debunk his copy and pasted responses in seconds but he has not interest in learning or accepting the truth. He hates the truth.

If the “last trumpet” of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the seventh trumpet, then what was Paul referring to? Both 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians were written long before John wrote Revelation....
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So what?

Revelation was given by God to Jesus for a FURTHER explanation about the End Times than what had already been said / written about.

On top of that...

Jesus - Trumpet then Resurrection

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect
from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


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Matthew 24:31 is the angels gathering believers together who are still alive at the end of the 7 year Tribulation for the Sheep and Goats judgment as scripture clearly explains. The sheep are those who enter into Christ’s millennial Kingdom as scripture clearly explains.


Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Matthew 25:34-35




Why do you desecrate the word of God daily here through ignorance?

Why do you copy and paste ignorance over and over again that’s been proven wrong?

How does this benefit you or anyone else?

Who do you lead people astray?

Why do you hate the truth?

Why do you refuse to admit you’re wrong?

Why do you spam the truth here daily?

Why do you continually try to rob the Hope of Christ from people?

Why do you refuse to change?

REPENT Servant of not the Lord, you’re a deceiver and an enemy to the truth.

Repent.

Why do you deny Jesus as God?


It’s sick to witness. Purely wicked.




For they cannot rest until they do evil; they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.

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More anti-rapture kink

You weirdos get off to the strangest things
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How many times a day do you rub one out while disproving the rapture?

Do you and that rapture hating Aussie yard 69 together while you disprove the rapture?
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This has been going on for years here, it’s best to ignore this person. Any response to him is ignored, it’s obvious there’s something wrong mentally with him.


This is a call out thread OP started in response to this thread:

Thread: Christianity contradicts in itself (Page 4)

Basically OP just asks questions endlessly, trying to get a "gotcha" unsuccessfully and is promptly ignored.

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It's apparently "Christianity Hate Day" for the shills, they've been at it all day.
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I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73709605

This person ^ who denies Jesus as God will ignore everything proving him wrong.

Two-second Google searches debunk his copy and pasted responses in seconds but he has not interest in learning or accepting the truth. He hates the truth.

If the “last trumpet” of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the seventh trumpet, then what was Paul referring to? Both 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians were written long before John wrote Revelation....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85566095

So what?

Revelation was given by God to Jesus for a FURTHER explanation about the End Times than what had already been said / written about.

On top of that...

Jesus - Trumpet then Resurrection

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels

with a great sound of a trumpet,

and they shall gather together

his elect
from the four winds,

from one end of heaven to the other.


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A. Matthew 24:31 is the angels gathering believers together who are still alive at the end of the 7 year Tribulation for the

B. Why do you desecrate the word of God daily here through ignorance?
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A. Nonsense. "from the 4 winds" are the Believers still on eargh. "one end of Heaven to the other" are the souls of those who have died.

B. Why do you think you are entitled to miss Tribulation at the End Times when Believers have been going through it for the last 2000 years?

I desecrate nothing. It's your interpretation that desecrates God's End Times Prophecy.

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Re: Debunking the Pre-Trib Rapture Talking Points
I will make a seperate post for each talking point.

Before I begin, it should be noted that all of these 'talking points' NEVER mention 2 crucial events that are part of the main Rapture passages.

1. The Last Trump - 1 Corinthians 15:52 mirrored by Revelation 11:15 Seventh Trump.

2. The Resurrection of those 'dead in Christ' - 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mirrored by Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:4-5 and Matthew 24:31.

Thread: Trumpet Then Resurrection - 4 "Witness" Verses / Passages - No Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: Revelation 11 - The Last Trump, Resurrection, Judgement, Reward - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

Thread: The Resurrection is the Main Event - Not the Rapture - Revelation / End Times

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