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Oldie But Goldie: US must be "connected to Israel to enjoy the second coming" of Christ

 
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After attending the College Republican convention, Nation journalist Max Blumenthal took his camera to the Christians United for Israel's annual Washington-Israel Summit in D.C. Founded by right-wing mega-church pastor John Hagee, the group has "added the grassroots muscle of the Christian right to the already potent Israel lobby," "forging close ties with the Bush White House and members of Congress."

That evangelical support for Israel is largely based on "End Times" theology is largely irrelevant to the Israeli politicians who share the goal of expanding settlements into the West Bank and a military strike on Iran, but it is anything but irrelevant to the rank-and-file members and even one former House Majority Leader.

Blumenthal opens the video by interviewing Tom Delay, who when asked how much the "Second Coming" plays into his support for Israel, says, "obviously, it's what I live for, I hope it comes tomorrow." (GOD DAMN!)

(THIS IS THE KEY HERE FOLKS:)
Delay closed by saying, "we have to be connected to Israel to enjoy the second coming."

While Hagee and others have stated that "End-Times" theology or eschatology plays no role in their support for Israel, the people Blumenthal interviewed tell a different story. Former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Dore Gold, also claims that it plays no role and is not concerned with the apocalyptic undertones of such a group, claiming only the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad purports to want Armageddon.

Blumenthal then interviews a string of conference-goers who explain how when Jesus returns all of the Jews will be "saved" after realizing the divinity of Christ. He also speaks to several people who say they are looking forward to Armageddon, because it will bring about the "cleansing of the earth." (MORE INSANITY!!!)

He is also hounded by a pair of PR flacks who want to make sure he is not asking questions about "End Times" or conversion of Jews, which according to them are questions, "okay to ask, but just not now."

Hagee stressed the need for a preemptive military attack on Iran to "prevent a nuclear holocaust" as he introduced Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to thunderous applause from the crowd. Lieberman compared Hagee to Moses (WTF???) and pointed out a visiting Rick Santorum as a "worker for what is good in our society."

Other conference attendees were quick to note that Muslims are satanic, and that the anti-Christ would most likely be a "man of peace." Much like the College Republican convention, Blumenthal is eventually kicked out after confronting Hagee with a passage from his book that blames the Jews for their own persecution.
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This is the kind of fucked up bullshit that some people in Congress subscribe to!!!!!

It's a blatant mix of Church in State.
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And what the flying fuck is Joe Lieberman doing comapring JOHN "BATSHIT CRAZY" HAGEE to Moses?

Wow, you've gotta love this intermarriage of Fundamentalist "Christianity" with politcally influential "Judaism."
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This is the true genius of the Israeli/Christian/Republican/Democrat machine.

Israeli leadership uses its proportionally heavy Jewish population to prey upon USA Christians and their uneducated misunderstanding of Scripture, brought about by dishonest clergymen (thanks John Hagee) who say that the USA must "protect Israel" to be blessed.

And the Republicans/Democrats are in bed with all of them.

It's fucked up.
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wtf, and this teaches me again to stop perceiving dems as left and reps as right in the sense we use those terms over here, hehe.
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wtf, and this teaches me again to stop perceiving dems as left and reps as right in the sense we use those terms over here, hehe.
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You've got that right. The Lieberman part was a little bit unexpected, but he's Jewish. An Israeli sympathizer, so I guess it made complete sense that he didn't mind rubbing elbows with the likes of John Hagee and the rest of the Israeli/apocalyptic Republican crowd.

Amazing.
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More proof that the whole world is bat shit crazy.
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the likes of John Hagee and the rest of the Israeli/apocalyptic Republican crowd.

Amazing.
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the most amazing part is that over here, a guy like hagee would maybe get some pitying looks, and ANY politician outside of maybe some irrelevant ultra right fringe party wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. i mean he's batshit crazy really, i don't get how some mccain or whoever can be seen in public with freaks like him, and remain even mayor of a small town, not to mention a presidential candidate.

i will never understand the american political system, that's for sure.
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Is it not about SPIRITUAL ISRAEL what does the American Government have to do with SPIRITUAL ISRAEL? NOT A DAMN THING in fact are they not AGAINST IT?
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enjoy idiots! 5a
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the likes of John Hagee and the rest of the Israeli/apocalyptic Republican crowd.

Amazing.


the most amazing part is that over here, a guy like hagee would maybe get some pitying looks, and ANY politician outside of maybe some irrelevant ultra right fringe party wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. i mean he's batshit crazy really, i don't get how some mccain or whoever can be seen in public with freaks like him, and remain even mayor of a small town, not to mention a presidential candidate.

i will never understand the american political system, that's for sure.
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Well, to be sure, the American election system was a master stroke of giving the appearance of citizen involvement. But in reality, the power to elect a President is in the hands of very few people.

John Hagee is an abomination. He twists scriptures to mislead vast sums of ordinary, unquestioning white, Republican voters.

These misled people start to adopt the idea, in a very short period of time after hearing him, that "supporting Israel" is the only US policy of any significance.

He uses horrific imagery in his "sermons" about the "antichrist" as being Iran's president, while simultaneously calling for a US-led strike against Iran.

Sounds more like a statement by an Israeli president through the Jerusalem Post as opposed to a Sunday sermon in a Baptist Church!
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I can tell you guys what is happening. It is up to you to read and see what is up.

The reality is that Biblical Prophecy is coming true. Item after item after item, just like a check list. For those people who actually read the Bible (Usually called the Fundamentalists), the check list is getting very short. I postulated thirty years ago that the False Prophet was Mohammed (mebeihf). People are finally realizing it now.

How did John the Revelator know two thousand years ago that the Northern nations of Africa, the eastern nations of Africa, the nations around Israel, the Turkic Republics of the former Soviet Union and the Medes (presend day Kurds and their former land area) and Persians (Iranians and their former land area) would all be followers of a False Prophet? Imagine that half a thousand years before Mohammed (mebeihf) was born, John was making those prophecies to accompany those prophecies of other Jewish Prophets from approximately a thousand years earlier.

All of those nations united under a False Prophet (according to the Bible) with a man who is the leader of a ten nation confederation at their head (The President of modern Turkey) will promise peace to Israel and then three and a half years later attack Israel.

Funny that, when you consider that Israel was "no more" when John was writing of the future. Israel was totally destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans and the Jews were scattered to the winds, where the Bible predicted they would be persecuted everywhere they went because they rejected their Messiah the first time he came. Hagee writes about this persecution and he is absolutely correct because he is quoting scripture and just telling people what is happening according to the Bible. If you do not read the Bible, that is your problem.

Yet, there was going to come a time when the Jews would be regathered from the four corners of the Earth and would fly back as like "on wings of eagles" and reestablish the nation of Israel. That time will be called the Later Days. This was predicted in the Bible (Them Bones, Them Bones, Them Dry Bones the Negro Spiritual goes. It is quoting the Bible about the predicted rebirth of Israel.)

The Later Days are the time period leading up to the second coming of the Messiah. The Later Days started the final check list on the day that Israel was reborn in May of 1948.

The final seven years of the Later Days are called the Tribulation Period when the prophecies about the final attacks on Israel by all of those satanic countries is going to take place. According to the Bible, it will be a land invasion, perhaps accompanied by a global nuclear war. That is based upon all of the ecological damage as predicted in the Bible.

All the Fundamentalist Christians know what is coming. The rest of you are lost to the reality.
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Israel is our master and we Americans must worship the feet of all its citizens!
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I can tell you guys what is happening. It is up to you to read and see what is up.

The reality is that Biblical Prophecy is coming true. Item after item after item, just like a check list. For those people who actually read the Bible (Usually called the Fundamentalists), the check list is getting very short. I postulated thirty years ago that the False Prophet was Mohammed (mebeihf). People are finally realizing it now.

How did John the Revelator know two thousand years ago that the Northern nations of Africa, the eastern nations of Africa, the nations around Israel, the Turkic Republics of the former Soviet Union and the Medes (presend day Kurds and their former land area) and Persians (Iranians and their former land area) would all be followers of a False Prophet? Imagine that half a thousand years before Mohammed (mebeihf) was born, John was making those prophecies to accompany those prophecies of other Jewish Prophets from approximately a thousand years earlier.

All of those nations united under a False Prophet (according to the Bible) with a man who is the leader of a ten nation confederation at their head (The President of modern Turkey) will promise peace to Israel and then three and a half years later attack Israel.

Funny that, when you consider that Israel was "no more" when John was writing of the future. Israel was totally destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans and the Jews were scattered to the winds, where the Bible predicted they would be persecuted everywhere they went because they rejected their Messiah the first time he came. Hagee writes about this persecution and he is absolutely correct because he is quoting scripture and just telling people what is happening according to the Bible. If you do not read the Bible, that is your problem.

Yet, there was going to come a time when the Jews would be regathered from the four corners of the Earth and would fly back as like "on wings of eagles" and reestablish the nation of Israel. That time will be called the Later Days. This was predicted in the Bible (Them Bones, Them Bones, Them Dry Bones the Negro Spiritual goes. It is quoting the Bible about the predicted rebirth of Israel.)

The Later Days are the time period leading up to the second coming of the Messiah. The Later Days started the final check list on the day that Israel was reborn in May of 1948.

The final seven years of the Later Days are called the Tribulation Period when the prophecies about the final attacks on Israel by all of those satanic countries is going to take place. According to the Bible, it will be a land invasion, perhaps accompanied by a global nuclear war. That is based upon all of the ecological damage as predicted in the Bible.

All the Fundamentalist Christians know what is coming. The rest of you are lost to the reality.
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Alright...Essentially, you just summed up the things I pointed out as being crazy. So, from a practical standpoint, I thank you very much for coming here and giving us a living example of Fundamentalist/Zionist/Israeli-supporting madness.

These "prophecies" are self-fulfilling because you, Hagee, and all other Apocalyptic people WANT "Armageddon" to come.

You seek out its arrival. You lend yourself to assisting the "end" as you see it.

Organized religion is an abomination. Eventually, the State will turn on religion.
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The Bible is the Bible. Either you read the prophecies or you don't. If you read them, you stand amazed that they are all coming true, item by item by item by item. Only a fool could watch that happen and not see the hand of God.

I was raised an atheist. When I read the Biblical Prophecies in the Bible and saw that Israel had been reborn, I became a Bible inspired God fearing Christian.

I recommend to everybody that they read all of those thousands of prophecies. They tell you specifically what is going to happen year after year.

All you have to do is check them off of the check list when they happen.
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Fundamentalist/Zionist/Israeli-supporting madness.

These "prophecies" are self-fulfilling because you, Hagee, and all other Apocalyptic people WANT "Armageddon" to come.

You seek out its arrival. You lend yourself to assisting the "end" as you see it.

 Quoting: markusmaximus


Funny, I do not belong to an organized religion. I prefer to stay home and watch sports on television when all the Fundamentalists are in Church.

I'm a German American, and find that I will go to church services when they are in a nearly all Black Church. If you read the Bible you will find that King David wrote most of the Psalms (Songs) of the Old Testament. In the Bible it gives an account of how David would "Dance" to the music. He jumped for joy and leaped and frolicked so much that people could see under his robe and could see his private parts. The fact that he may have been an exhibitionist is beside the point. The issue is that music praising God should be enthusiastic, and have lots of emotion to it so that people want to jump for joy and bounce up and down in praise of God.

Organized Religion does not usually do that. Most of the White Christian Churches play music that is best compared to a dirge. So, when I go to church, I go to Black services and sing and dance with the choir as they come down the central aisle swaying and singing and praising God.

King David must have been Black.


Now to answer the rest of your badinage, no Fundamentalist that I know of is trying to make anything happen. They all know that it is happening according to God's timetable. Hagee is not trying to make Armageddon come. He is trying to prevent a global nuclear holocaust. In that I support him. Iran needs to be destroyed. They are the worst terrorist nation in history and need to be put out of commission.

That reality is totally separate from end time prophecy and theology. I do not agree with Hagee that the antichrist will come from Iran. I know that he will come from Turkey as the Biblical prophecies tell us of a ten nation confederation with one leader will be the political source of the AntiChrist. That ten nation confederation is Turkey.
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I was raised an atheist. When I read the Biblical Prophecies in the Bible and saw that Israel had been reborn, I became a Bible inspired God fearing Christian.

 Quoting: JoeNeubarth

GOD? called the people back to Israel, DID He?
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Indeed! read all the prophecies regarding the regathering of God's people. If you read the Bible and all of the thousands of prophecies, you can not deny that Israel was predicted to be reborn with God's Special Protection.


Note that when Israel was reborn in 1948 the combined Arab armies of all the nations around Israel attacked the small Jewish state and were totally defeated just like little David defeated Goliath. Amazing what God can do with little people or little nations.
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Indeed! read all the prophecies regarding the regathering of God's people. If you read the Bible and all of the thousands of prophecies, you can not deny that Israel was predicted to be reborn with God's Protection.
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REALLY?!

I thought people were called back with BRIBES and were protected by MILTARY MIGHT?
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Note that when Israel was reborn in 1948 the combined Arab armies of all the nations around Israel attacked the small Jewish state and were totally defeated just like little David defeated Goliath. Amazing what God can do with little people or little nations.
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you can come back to edit but not respond?
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I have no doubt that some people were paid money to immigrate to Israel. There are a lot of Christian Organizations that are spending millions to support the immigration to Israel. Their donations are God inspired and just add to the miracle that is modern Israel. Praise God.

The overwhelming majority of Jews who immigrated back to Israel did not receive any support. Those 700,000 who immigrated from the Arab countries around Israel gave up their homes and businesses and bank savings to make that move. I have nothing but respect for them.
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"This is the kind of fucked up bullshit that some people in Congress subscribe to!!!!!"

>>it is batshit crazy.

"It's a blatant mix of Church in State."

>>There is no such thing as separation of church and state.
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A friend of mine told me his sister (whom worked with politicians in Washington) said the corruption at the highest levels is unbelievable and that the majority of them all are scared to death of and in bed with Israel.

She said that the drinking and drugs was normal and that policy is persuaded by fear of Israel as being ordained by God.

She has subsequently moved to New Zealand because she couldn't handle that type of environment.
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GOVERNMENTS gave people "ICENTIVES" to move there BUT TO YOU that is a MIRACLE OF GOD calling the people back?

You call MILTARY MIGHT the same as PROTECTION from GOD?!
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"It's a blatant mix of Church in State."

>>There is no such thing as separation of church and state.
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Damn right about that.

Everyone will say that Church in State is bad.

But no one sees anything wrong with State in Church.
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*"INCENTIVES"


GOVERNMENT, MILITARY MIGHT AND WAR

you call this GOD?

GOD OF WAR MUCH?!
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Exactly Mark!
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A friend of mine told me his sister (whom worked with politicians in Washington) ...
She has subsequently moved to New Zealand because she couldn't handle that type of environment.
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...his sister WHO worked with politicians in ....
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A friend of mine told me his sister (whom worked with politicians in Washington) ...
She has subsequently moved to New Zealand because she couldn't handle that type of environment.
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...his sister WHO worked with politicians in ....

Dang! WHO is the subject of the phrase.

That falls into the category of Black English. You know, "He be. You be. We all be."

Perfectly acceptable in the Ghetto, but on a public board you are expected to write in Midwestern (American) English or the King's English.
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GOVERNMENTS gave people "ICENTIVES" to move there BUT TO YOU that is a MIRACLE OF GOD calling the people back?

You call MILTARY MIGHT the same as PROTECTION from GOD?!
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You silly child. Of course King David used an army. God just gave them special victory over the people who did not worship him. There is noting wrong with forming an army for self defense.

If I go into a high crime area, I don't go in unarmed. If somebody wants to attack me, they usually end up dead or in the hospital. Such is life. I don't mess around with criminals and satanists. Neither does Israel.
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correct me if I am wrong, but this form of christianity is almost exclusive to the United States. I remember reading that the fire and brimstone end of the world is nigh stuff started was started by two men in a covered wagon in the 1800's.

After some time it has appeared to become main stream. But I know of no other christian Country where christianity is viewed like it is in the US.Whereas 200 years ago it would have been called a cult.
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