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Viral BioWarfare Labs abound in the world.

 
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Viral BioWarfare Labs abound in the world.
A lot of secret research is being done by China, India, Syria and other countries like the United States in an effort to stay on top of viral warfare.

Sometime in the near future we are going to see one or more of the "Weapons" excape from the laboratory. When that happens the world is going to be in deep Kim Chee.

We may have had such an outbreak in 2005 from a Communist Chinese laboratory in Sichuan China.
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05/29/2008 12:48 PM
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Over two years ago we had a bunch of weird reports from Columbia, Venezuela, Panama, the Caribbean, Surinam, Costa Rica and southern Mexico.

There were reports of animals sick and dying, and Columbia finally admitted to having Bird Flu Virus strain H9N2 after their exports were banned by neighboring countries after massive reports of bird deaths in Columbia. Venezuela moved its army to the border with Columbia. AS IF! As if the soldiers could stop the bird flu from entering their country. A report from Venezuela to a Chinese newspaper said that they had a massive outbreak in Merida Province in Venezuela. Birds and some people and animals died.

Panama then had birds, monkeys, cows, horses and burros die and they dismissed it as too much rain (The animals forgot to eat and died was the official government excuse.) Amazing!

Months after Columbia's admission, the national park in Costa Rica reported a massive die off of its animals. Horses and cows and pigs in neighboring farms died off suddenly. Supposedly they forgot to eat, also. There were reports of strange die offs in Brazil, Surinam and in Guyana.

It sure looked like something had initiated in Columbia and was spreading east into Venezuela, Brazil and the Guyanas, AND north into Panama and Central America.

A couple of months after the animal and birds die off in Costa Rica there were reports of people dying of pneumonia in an AIDS sanitarium in Guatemala and then Mexico reported that it was fighting off a Bird Flu (H5N2) outbreak in the far south of the country bordering Guatemala. A month later there was a report that Mexico was dealing with a massive die off of birds in the northern state of Chihuahua. This was quickly dismissed as another bird illness (Newcastle's or so they claimed. Its effect on bird farms is the same.) and we all breathed easily. (Or was that a deluded sigh of relief?)

Now for the past two years we have had massive die offs of wild birds in the United States (and, I assume in Canada). Samples are taken but they always are too old to test accurately. The United States has been testing birds that have been shot by hunters (healthy flying birds, though they could be rare asymptomatic carriers of High Path H5N1) but no tests have come back positive for (High Pathological) HP H5N1, though there have been many tests for (Low Path 0 doesn't kill like HP does) LP H5N1 which has been in wild birds in the Americas for as far back as we have been testing.

So, now the questions. Why do we not have High Path H5N1 in North America????

Do we already have it, and are the various American (North and South) governments lying to us?

Did it reach the United States from Columbia over a year ago and we are covering it up?

Are our testing methods and techniques faulty????

Could it be that the presence of Low Path H5N1 precludes our birds from coming down with the HP virus? Does immunity from the LP strain result in immunity to the HP strain in birds? Darned if I know. I do know that it is an intestinal virus in birds, and thus may behave differently than Human Influenza virus. Any virologists on this board?

I was a history major in college and because of that follow this story only from the standpoint of the history involved. I know nothing about virology.

I see the reports, like those out of Columbia and Central America and it sure looks like something was moving north from South America, but if so, what was it? Could be that it was just a bunch of coincidences (most probable as I said at the time), but it is hard for me to believe that birds and animals forgot to eat in country after country because it rained too much in those countries.

I am confident that if I were a cow in a warm climate like Panama, I would not starve myself just because it was raining. Do cows and monkeys and birds actually refuse to eat when it rains? Somehow I just do not believe that was the cause of the massive die offs.
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We have biohazard containment in our large bird farms in the US.

Perhaps the wild bird population now has HP H5N1, but there is no case of it having broken our bio containment methods. In that case we would see fewer and fewer wild birds. I think that is already the case across this nation, but most of the government spokesmen keep on saying West Nile Virus. We are testing for it in the wild especially with birds that have just died or are in the process of dying.

I know they have been testing in Alaska and Canada for H5N1, but in most cases they are using birds that have been shot by hunters. The ones that are flying have the highest liklihood of NOT being infected.

Dr Niman talks about Asymtomatic Birds carrying H5N1 across continents. I do believe he is right, but I expect that these birds are few and far between and the likelyhood that a hunter would bag one of these birds and that the CDC testing program would select that bird to test is probably so remote as to be nearly impossible.

I have not read an article on the testing program that is now in progress. Have they started doing things to work around this loophole in the testing process? Is anybody up to date on the testing program? Is there an accurate link that you know of?

IF H5N1 escaped from a Bio Warfare lab, would the United States Government lie to us about it? Could that be the reason why it officially has not been detected? Hummmmm? I just feel like asking questions today.
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Re: Viral BioWarfare Labs abound in the world.
and at local universities near you.





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