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Wood burning stove vs Central Heat

 
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i am staying at a new friends house up north, where it snows a lot - about 200 miles to Canada

she has a pellet stove and two wood burning stoves

no central AC or Heat

the pellets, for premium, run about $275 per ton and the cords of wood run about the same - a little bit less

she needs 4-5 pallets of pellets to comfortably make it through the winters, and she also needs 4-5 cords of wood - she has a 2 story house

winters can run from Oct until sometimes April or May - so for 6-7 months

it seems like central AC/Heat would be better and less of a hassle with getting and stacking the pellets and wood after they are delivered

it is good to have the stoves as a back up, if the power goes out, but to have it for all of your heating needs, it seems like it is more expensive than central

also, the ash dust when cleaning the wood burning stoves

not sure if the benefits outweigh the drawbacks
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Agree ...

GREAT for backup ... but with a $2500/year bill for the pellets and wood to heat her house that is no cheaper than using electric, gas, and maybe even oil/propane. (assuming the house is fully insulated for Canadian Winters) In fact it might even be MORE expensive than typical central heat if the insulation for the house is really good.

Some people like the extra work ... why they still shovel or plow their own driveways when a plowing service would actually be A LOT cheaper once you factor in equipment costs.

Personally I like to spend my time doing other things than "mandatory chores", but different people have different priorities in their lives.
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i drive south for winter
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Heat pumps suck below 35 degrees
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Wood stoves are great..

Pellet stoves still need AC to run the blower and auger..

It can be a hazard if the auger timer goes down..

Central has a power outage issue if a tree falls up the road..

Sounds like a great place..

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Sounds like she has 2x4 walls instead of 2x6 or 2x10 walls.
Or no insulation.
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i use a 25Kw rated stove with oven and hob that also has a waterjacket around the firebox that heats 5 radiators and a 'boiler' water heater.

1 fire, 1 chimney, six rooms heated, warm water, permanently on oven and hob.

6-700 euro a winter for wood.
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Unless you get your own wood, it's not worth it. The amount of work needed to keep up with both the stoking and the cleaning does not outweigh .... but it is great for aesthetic reasons and backup.

Was a wood-stove burner for decades....... Don't really mmiss it .... It does provide a bit of self rewarding benefits.
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Timely thread.

I just installed a wood stove and am experimenting with mini smokeless fire pits inside the stove burning pellets. Bought a half a ton of pellets to see how much heat I can get out of them.

Pellets are relatively clean compared to carrying wood through the house and burning it. Smokeless fire pits make it super clean and hotter. So far so good. Will see if burning the smoke allows me to heat my home with less pellets.

I have a natural gas central heating unit but I haven't turned on the gas yet.

I also go south after January.
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Sounds like she has 2x4 walls instead of 2x6 or 2x10 walls.
Or no insulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70753904


she has a 10 year old boy and his friends who are constantly opening the doors

also, the windows could be insulated better
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I would put in a wood powered boiler outside and run baseboard heat throughout the house. It’s way more efficient. Maybe add a mini split for the living room and bedroom for AC. Without combustion in the house you stop a lot of the drafts, like sucking fresh cold air in through the kitchen vent.

Also, you might want to check the insulation, that looks like a lot of wood she’s burning.
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Agree ...

GREAT for backup ... but with a $2500/year bill for the pellets and wood to heat her house that is no cheaper than using electric, gas, and maybe even oil/propane. (assuming the house is fully insulated for Canadian Winters) In fact it might even be MORE expensive than typical central heat if the insulation for the house is really good.

Some people like the extra work ... why they still shovel or plow their own driveways when a plowing service would actually be A LOT cheaper once you factor in equipment costs.

Personally I like to spend my time doing other things than "mandatory chores", but different people have different priorities in their lives.
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that is what i think - it is more expensive than central
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I'm in Minnesota and have both.
I have my own wood and my house is 2x6 walls with very good windows and doors and insulated siding.
I seldom use wood tho as my high efficiency furnace is cheap.
Keep the house nice at 68 or so and the cost each winter never runs over $500-$600.
House is 35 years old and shows that planning pays.
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When the shtf,you will be glad you got a wood burner.
Its called exercise for long life,not luxury.
I sometimes wonder if yall all plan to die at 60.i plan to die at 100,that means getting off ass and chopping and splitting wood.
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Timely thread.

I just installed a wood stove and am experimenting with mini smokeless fire pits inside the stove burning pellets. Bought a half a ton of pellets to see how much heat I can get out of them.

Pellets are relatively clean compared to carrying wood through the house and burning it. Smokeless fire pits make it super clean and hotter. So far so good. Will see if burning the smoke allows me to heat my home with less pellets.

I have a natural gas central heating unit but I haven't turned on the gas yet.

I also go south after January.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82274003


mini smokeless fire pits?
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Stack concrete pavers or cinder blocks all around the stove for thermal mass to store the heat through the night.

I like radiant heat. I also like the blast heat 'sauna' capability. Burn it hot, store the heat in thermal mass and endure the cold through the night. There's something grounding and enjoyable about being part of the process more than just hitting a switch.
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Sounds like she has 2x4 walls instead of 2x6 or 2x10 walls.
Or no insulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70753904


she has a 10 year old boy and his friends who are constantly opening the doors

also, the windows could be insulated better
 Quoting: ~metanoia~


Double doors with boot room.cost to build,about a thousand.most cold weather zones have one on houses.a bench to put on and take off boots,a hook for jackets.
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Timely thread.

I just installed a wood stove and am experimenting with mini smokeless fire pits inside the stove burning pellets. Bought a half a ton of pellets to see how much heat I can get out of them.

Pellets are relatively clean compared to carrying wood through the house and burning it. Smokeless fire pits make it super clean and hotter. So far so good. Will see if burning the smoke allows me to heat my home with less pellets.

I have a natural gas central heating unit but I haven't turned on the gas yet.

I also go south after January.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82274003


mini smokeless fire pits?
 Quoting: ~metanoia~


They are made for outdoors, quite popular now. Most of them are huge but they have tiny ones about 8" high that fit in my stove. I bought two so I can let one burn most of the pellets and it's not so hot to add more. Then I switch back and forth adding pellets.
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Wood is basicly free if you get it yourself...
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When the shtf,you will be glad you got a wood burner.
Its called exercise for long life,not luxury.
I sometimes wonder if yall all plan to die at 60.i plan to die at 100,that means getting off ass and chopping and splitting wood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70753904


i completely agree, if the shtf

i even thought of getting one in my home down south also a few years ago - if shtf then it will be nice
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i am staying at a new friends house up north, where it snows a lot - about 200 miles to Canada

she has a pellet stove and two wood burning stoves

no central AC or Heat

the pellets, for premium, run about $275 per ton and the cords of wood run about the same - a little bit less

she needs 4-5 pallets of pellets to comfortably make it through the winters, and she also needs 4-5 cords of wood - she has a 2 story house

winters can run from Oct until sometimes April or May - so for 6-7 months

it seems like central AC/Heat would be better and less of a hassle with getting and stacking the pellets and wood after they are delivered

it is good to have the stoves as a back up, if the power goes out, but to have it for all of your heating needs, it seems like it is more expensive than central

also, the ash dust when cleaning the wood burning stoves

not sure if the benefits outweigh the drawbacks
 Quoting: ~metanoia~

Cryin out loud, how hot does she have to have it anyway? Seems like a lot of wood AND pellets for one winter.
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Sounds like she has 2x4 walls instead of 2x6 or 2x10 walls.
Or no insulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70753904


Blow in new insulation.

Put 1 1/2” foam over the existing siding. Then new siding or stucco. She will be toasty.

Also, I can’t overstate how well curtains and drapes work. My wife is a minimalist window treatment type, that makes for a cold house in the winter. She got ‘nighttime’ dark curtains when she was working nights and remarked about how warm the bedroom was. “I told you so’s” go nowhere.
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I’m in northern Wisconsin and have oil heat and a pellet stove. The oil heater has become unaffordable to use, thanks to Biden’s anti-oil policies. Even before Biden, the oil heat cost about $500/month in winter, I could only imagine what it is now. Now I run just the pellet stove. Three tons of pellets gets us through the winter, at $230/ton (we buy them when they go on sale), so the savings over oil heat is huge. House is roughly 2500 square feet, two story, and 175 years old.
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i am staying at a new friends house up north, where it snows a lot - about 200 miles to Canada

she has a pellet stove and two wood burning stoves

no central AC or Heat

the pellets, for premium, run about $275 per ton and the cords of wood run about the same - a little bit less

she needs 4-5 pallets of pellets to comfortably make it through the winters, and she also needs 4-5 cords of wood - she has a 2 story house

winters can run from Oct until sometimes April or May - so for 6-7 months

it seems like central AC/Heat would be better and less of a hassle with getting and stacking the pellets and wood after they are delivered

it is good to have the stoves as a back up, if the power goes out, but to have it for all of your heating needs, it seems like it is more expensive than central

also, the ash dust when cleaning the wood burning stoves

not sure if the benefits outweigh the drawbacks
 Quoting: ~metanoia~

Cryin out loud, how hot does she have to have it anyway? Seems like a lot of wood AND pellets for one winter.
 Quoting: Unruly


She has 3 stoves! one pellet and two wood. Jesus it must be a huge house or very ineffecient use of the stoves using that much wood.

Are all three stoves going at once? that will eat up the wood and pellets. makes sense.
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bump

the Shakers, known for furniture, had GREAT highly efficient wooodstoves.

Their historical design in this, as in all things, was simple and very efficient.

there are modern takes on it for sale
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Heat pumps suck below 35 degrees
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Geothermal heat pumps rock!
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Wood is basicly free if you get it yourself...
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except the gas/equipment and a days work you lose per cord.
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Wood is very nice and hot, but, it is messy. You must go outside and get it 4 times a day losing heat each time you open the door. When not burning it sucks heat from your house and sends it up chimney. It cools outter rooms because it needs to suck in air to burn through your windows and doors.

Our county has burn days where you must check before burning. Every year we get less and less burn days. The air quality gets horrible on inversion days.

So, nice in an emergency but it really does suck.
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Burn days? Where is this??? You mean you can't have a fire when you wish???

My wood box is next to my stove and has it's own doors from the outside and then the inside. Small but good for 2 days or so.
Also my fresh air intake is funneled in along that so no waste of the houses air. All air-tight when needed and no electricity for anything.
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Stack concrete pavers or cinder blocks all around the stove for thermal mass to store the heat through the night.

I like radiant heat. I also like the blast heat 'sauna' capability. Burn it hot, store the heat in thermal mass and endure the cold through the night. There's something grounding and enjoyable about being part of the process more than just hitting a switch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82274003


i do have to agree with this - it is satisfying that we both and her child, keep this entire house heated with our brains and naturally from nature

right now, i just feed the pellet stove, but before it was fixed, i fed the wood into the woodburning stove that i have downstairs - i researched on how to make it last longer and i did figure it out and did get that down pat

it is satisfying!
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Wood burning stoves are off grid!

This alone would be my final push into that direction.

Do you really feel confident resting your life support system upon the power and NG grid?

I wouldn’t!





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