John Marco Allegro - Vatican scholar, head translator of the dead sea scrolls, fluent in Aramaic, claimed that Jesus was a Magic Mushroom

How can you say it doesn't take one away from the faith? I've been a lifelong Christian and I've just recently started doing a history deep dive into scholarly aspects of the history around the times of Jesus. If you take away the virgin birth, the resurrection and the divinity of Christ, what is left of the faith? Hebrew men, especially rabbis, of that age and time would have been obligated to marry and have children yet we are taught that Jesus never did.

Worshipping the bible more than the actual teachings of christ is pretty obviously ridiculous and idolatrous, don't you think?

Its the same yalls parents did to you. Dont do drugs ! And then you went right out and did them. Aint nothin changed. History repeats itself. And anyone who says a “god” cant exist within a psychedelic experience/environment hasnt done a big enough dose

Not really.

If we are "made in the image of God", then mushrooms symbolize this in that each individual mushroom is an image of the whole species itself.

In Genesis God creates the heavens and the Earth.
Then in Gen. 3 there is a fall of man. The fall of man
allegory represents separation from God, or the breaking apart from wholeness into individuality. Breaking down
is also known as corruption.

The German word 'Zerfall' means decay. (like how atoms decay into more stable elements over time.) In the communion service the priest breaks the bread. The bread is a round
loaf which is separated and distributed to the faithful.
The breaking of the bread and the eating of it bring us back to wholeness with Christ. The chalice contains the blood of Christ. Each sip of the content wine = a fraction of the whole content. The whole isn't permanently fractured since all the fractions = the whole.

The original is still there in the parts.

IT WOULD BE IN A IMPERFECT MIND

BUT

IN THE RENEWED MIND OF JESUS CHRIST

THE BIBLE IS JESUS CHRIST

SINCE

JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD

AND

THE WORD IS THE BIBLE

IS

JESUS CHRIST



IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD

AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD

AND THE WORD WAS GOD

THE WORD

IS

JESUS CHRIST

ALL PRAISES GO TO JESUS CHRIST

ALL THANKS FOR JESUS CHRIST GO TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN

IT IS WRITTEN

AMEN

The word doesn't mean the bible. It means the logos, the one vibration that is all things.

LOGOS IN GREEK MEANS

A symbol or design that identifies a brand.

NOT

THE WORD

HOWEVER

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

WHERE IS IT WRITTEN

IN THE BIBLE

AND WHERE DOES THE BIBLE COME FROM

EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD

WHO IS GOD

THE FATHER IN HEAVEN

AND NO ONE COMES BEFORE HIM

EXCEPT THROUGH THE FATHER IN HEAVEN

In the earliest versions of the bible used words that meant drinking powered-up/spiced wine at christian religious ceremonies.

The power-ups in wine at that time would typically be psychedelics.

This world is so far gone...

THERE ARE NO POWER UP’S IN HEAVEN

THERE IS NO RELIGION IN HEAVEN

BUT

THERE IS IN THE WORLD AKA SATANS KINGDOM

WHERE THE ONLY THING THEY KNOW IS GETTING HIGH

TO GET CLOSER TO THE DEMONS AND SATAN

THE BIBLE

THAT

IS

THE WORD

THAT

IS

THE TRUTH

THAT

IS

JESUS CHRIST

ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT

THE AUTHOR OF LIFE EVERLASTING

THEREFORE THE BIBLE IS ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT


IMPERFECT MEN TRYING TO PUT THEIR IMPERFECT SPIN ON ABSOLUTE PERFECTION OF THE BIBLE IS THE PROBLEM

ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU JUST HEARD

TRUST NO MAN

INSTEAD TRUST IN THE FATHER IN HEAVEN

AND

NO ONE COMES BEFORE THE FATHER IN HEAVEN BUT THROUGH THE SON

JESUS CHRIST

A second temple outlook of scripture illuminates the very real supernatural war that takes place then and now. Modern western Christianity looks at spiritual war as a God vs Satan thing when the reality is there is an entire council of "elders" some good some fallen and still just one Triune Godhead who created them. The Greeks Romans Babylonians etc chose to express this as a pantheon but that's really top simplistic.

In order to really get it you'll have to understand the total depravity of man and also these fallen beings and their offspring the nephilim. The entirety of their purpose has been to distort and displace God and the reality of His existence.

Once you understand your enemy, his motives and his methods it should enlighten your faith not take it away.

Regarding virgin birth - don't overthink it or catholicize it. Only neccessary for the child to be supernaturally conceived, not perpetual virginity. Once you submit to the supernatural conception the divinity is easy.

As for the resurrection that is indeed the cornerstone of our faith. It was inherently important to the rulers of both the temple and Roman society to do everything they could to stamp out these claims and yet they couldn't.

I think you're having a crisis of faith because you are trying to make your new discoveries fit your old narrative.

Maybe it's the narrative that needs reconsidering, not Jesus.

YOU DO KNOW WHAT INSTITUTION CANONIZED THE BIBLE, RIGHT?!?!

You are right and wrong my friend. You can use plants and mushrooms as a shortcut to get spiritual/religious insights and awakenings.

I didn't say you need it, but it could be a helpful tool for some to get in touch with their true self. And it was comon at the time of Jesus.

I have two question, OP:

1. Are you the same person who went by the handle Heart Sutra?

2. Are you a follower of the Love Has Won cult?

This is fascinating. Would you please expound more on this? I am loving the way you are putting this together. I have some amanita var formosas that i harvested a couple weeks back.

Dead sea scrolls predate Jesus by hundreds of years. There really is no connection between the 2.

As for Jesus, there is more written evidence of him than any other religious founder. To say it's all fake requires proof that just doesn't exist. Jesus was a real historical figure well documented in his time.

Bullshit. Every lowlife on the streets knew the water into wine trick. Read the book “jesus the magician” and unfortunately there’s literally no historical records of jesus existing really anywhere

in the past what you say is true but virtually no credible modern atheist scholar would argue that many biblical figures, including Jesus, were not real.

They have even found a wealth of history regarding Lazarus and the fame he received from being resurrected but no one worshipped him.

Either Jesus was the real deal or it's an incredibly detailed scam. You're free to choose.

Agree... It didn't happen, at least not in the way it was described... They used real life references to describe the spiritual inner workings of man and illustrate a narrative that gives insight into the relationship between the universe and man. As above so below... Or, on earth as it is in heaven.

Jesus is basically a representation of what a holy man would experience when coming out and declaring his own divinity. It represents the path that one travels during the awakening process.

Jesus could have been a real man, and embodies the principles that were then written down into a narrative to describe the lifecycle of everyone. Jesus said he is out brother, meaning he is just like us, but the Christ that lives in him, also dwells in us, when we become born again.

Its a story of reawakening to the divinity within, and he is our guide to follow

One, the Dead Sea scrolls contain precisely zero info about Jesus, because they were written 200-300 BC.

One text, however, did predict that Jesus would be born between 6BC and 3AD, by utilizing OT prophesies. Not bad, considering Jesus was born 3BC.

To assert that Jesus was not an historical figure requires that all extrabiblical texts about Christ be ignored.

Evrn the atheist scholars refuse to do this. They KNOW He was a real person. They simply debate Jesus' divinity.

You have a good understanding of the subject matter. What you and most others lack is the insight into what is meant by "accept Jesus as Savior" - a call that is often used by US sectarians in particular - and what you call "awakening":

God is real. You are not.

You make several empirical statements with several that are supported by little other than your imagination.

Firstly, while you're correct about their lack of content regarding Jesus, the Dead Sea scrolls have been carbon-dated to between 300BC-100AD and not the 100-year period you state so at least some of them are contemporaneous to the Post-Jesus era. It's also important to note that many of those scrolls are nothing more than fragments, where modern Biblical researchers simply filled in those missing blanks themselves with their own fantasies. REMEMBER: only scholars whose sole purpose was to perpetuate religious myths have ever translated those scrolls so their results were specifically tailored to continue that narrative.

Next, the fragmented scroll text you cite [that supposedly validates Jesus] doesn't mention anyone except a "Messiah" so there's still no proof that Jesus was anything but a quasi-historical figure who was more likely an amalgam of several different "prophets" of the time. And I'd be VERY interested in you providing any "extra-Biblical" texts that prove otherwise.

The fact remains that ALL texts that reference Jesus and early Christianity were written by "historians" who all wrote what they thought people wanted to hear -or worse- were actually paid to write at the behest of their patrons.

I'm speaking of men like Justin Martyr, Josephus, Suetonius, Cassius Dio and Livy who all hustled that new religion to varying degrees. As such none of whom were true historians other than providing scattered details -often political- of everyday life in the Roman Empire.

Further: in most cases their actual writings were lost following their deaths and were reconstructed from the vivid imaginations of Byzantine religious scholars who had an even greater bias in what they set down.

Interestingly, when you examine one of the most famous of those early historians -Suetonius- you're left with a salacious man who today would be employed by TMZ or THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER as he penned intimate -and often false- descriptions of THE TWELVE CEASARS in an attempt to satisfy his more rabid readers.

One more thing:

Conveniently, those scrolls were magically discovered in 1947 just as the state of Israel was being formalized [it came into being in 1948], and Rabbi's all around the world instantly embraced them as proof that their beliefs were the only true Godlike worship. I'd say that timing alone makes those crumbling parchments even more suspicious.

One, the Dead Sea scrolls contain precisely zero info about Jesus, because they were written 200-300 BC.

One text, however, did predict that Jesus would be born between 6BC and 3AD, by utilizing OT prophesies. Not bad, considering Jesus was born 3BC.

To assert that Jesus was not an historical figure requires that all extrabiblical texts about Christ be ignored.

Evrn the atheist scholars refuse to do this. They KNOW He was a real person. They simply debate Jesus' divinity.