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War resisters can stay in Canada!!

 
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Yaaaayyyyhhh! You won't get sent back.

I am really happy about this. Americans will need a place to run to and you can still get to sanctuary in Canada by walking, if necessary.

Bushco and FEMA are building prison camps aren't they?
People should be able choose if they want to fight an illegal war. Just like Viet Nam.

A person has a right to choose how he/she will die...it may diverge from their government's choice.

Canadians like people who think for themselves.


Published on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 by CommonDreams.org

War Resisters May Yet Find Sanctuary in Canada

by Medea Benjamin

Prime Minister Stephen Harper may be set on embracing George Bush and his occupation of Iraq, but on Tuesday, June 3, the Canadian members of Parliament extended their embrace to the war resisters. By a vote of 137-110, the House of Commons called on the Canadian government to “immediately implement a program to allow conscientious objectors and their immediate family members… to apply for permanent resident status and remain in Canada.” The motion also called on the government to “immediately cease any removal or deportation actions against such individuals.”

All the opposition parties — Liberal Party, the New Democratic Party, and the Bloc Quebecois — came together to reject the policy of the ruling Conservative Party. The motion, however, is non-binding and the Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper may choose to ignore it.

Back in the days of the Vietnam War, Canada took in over 50,000 draft dodgers and deserters. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared that “Canada should be a refuge from militarism” (prompting John Lennon to say that “if all politicians were like Pierre Trudeau there would be world peace”).

Former Liberal Party Prime Minister Jean Chretien in 2003 refused to send Canadian troops to join the war in Iraq because the invasion wasn’t backed by the UN, breaking with Canada’s closest allies — the U.S. and U.K.

But Stephen Harper is a different kettle of fish. Coming to power in 2006, his Conservative government has supported U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, including the war in Iraq, and has refused to advocate asylum for U.S. war resisters.

There are an estimated 200 Iraq War resisters in Canada today. Canadian immigration officials and the courts have denied them refugee status, and several currently face deportation, including 25-year-old Corey Glass.

Glass joined the National Guard in 2002 after assurances he would not see combat. But he was later deployed to Iraq, where he served as a military intelligence officer. He has said that witnessing the killing of civilians by U.S. troops turned him against the war.

“What I saw in Iraq convinced me that the war is illegal and immoral. I could not in good conscience continue to take part in it,” Glass said. Glass is still on active duty and considered absent without leave. But on May 21, Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board denied him refugee status, ruling that he did not face a “well-founded fear of persecution” such as torture or death if he returned to the United States. He is supposed to voluntarily return to the United States by June 12 or be deported. Glass would be the first Iraq War resister to be deported from Canada.

But Tuesday’s Parliamentary vote gave Glass and the other resisters hope. Cheering from the balcony of Parliament when the resolution was passed, Glass thanked the Parliamentarians and the many thousands of Canadians who support the resisters. “We hope the will of the Canadian people as expressed by Parliament will be carried out,” he said.

The Toronto-based War Resisters Support Campaign is also celebrating Tuesday’s vote. “This is a great victory for the courageous men and women who have come to Canada because they refuse to take part in the illegal, immoral Iraq War, and for the many organizations and individuals who have supported this campaign over the past four years,” said Lee Zaslofsky, Coordinator of the War Resisters Support Campaign and a Vietnam War deserter who came to Canada in 1970.

The Support Campaign is now calling for stepped up pressure on Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Immigration Minister Diane Finley to follow the will of the Canadian people and implement this motion. The U.S. group Courage to Resist is collecting letters of support from people all over the United States, and there will be new vigils and delegations to Canadian Embassies and Consulates around the U.S.

The hope is that the momentum from Tuesday’s vote will propel the Conservative government to reflect on its position and realize that it is more important to please the Canadian people, who are overwhelming against the Iraq war, than to please a lame-duck U.S. president.

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Medea Benjamin ([email protected]), along with Colonel Ann Wright, went to Canada on June 1 to speak at a gathering honoring war resisters. Both had been denied entry into Canada on a previous visit due to misdemeanor convictions from antiwar demonstrations. This time, thanks to media attention, grassroots support and an insistent Member of Parliament, Libby Davies, we were granted a one-day special entry permit to attend the conference. We took it as another sign that a more positive policy may well be in the offing
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Yaaaayyyyhhh! You won't get sent back.

I am really happy about this. Americans will need a place to run to and you can still get to sanctuary in Canada by walking, if necessary.

Bushco and FEMA are building prison camps aren't they?
People should be able choose if they want to fight an illegal war. Just like Viet Nam.

A person has a right to choose how he/she will die...it may diverge from their government's choice.

Canadians like people who think for themselves.


Published on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 by CommonDreams.org

War Resisters May Yet Find Sanctuary in Canada

by Medea Benjamin

Prime Minister Stephen Harper may be set on embracing George Bush and his occupation of Iraq, but on Tuesday, June 3, the Canadian members of Parliament extended their embrace to the war resisters. By a vote of 137-110, the House of Commons called on the Canadian government to “immediately implement a program to allow conscientious objectors and their immediate family members… to apply for permanent resident status and remain in Canada.” The motion also called on the government to “immediately cease any removal or deportation actions against such individuals.”

All the opposition parties — Liberal Party, the New Democratic Party, and the Bloc Quebecois — came together to reject the policy of the ruling Conservative Party. The motion, however, is non-binding and the Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper may choose to ignore it.

Back in the days of the Vietnam War, Canada took in over 50,000 draft dodgers and deserters. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared that “Canada should be a refuge from militarism” (prompting John Lennon to say that “if all politicians were like Pierre Trudeau there would be world peace”).

Former Liberal Party Prime Minister Jean Chretien in 2003 refused to send Canadian troops to join the war in Iraq because the invasion wasn’t backed by the UN, breaking with Canada’s closest allies — the U.S. and U.K.

But Stephen Harper is a different kettle of fish. Coming to power in 2006, his Conservative government has supported U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, including the war in Iraq, and has refused to advocate asylum for U.S. war resisters.

There are an estimated 200 Iraq War resisters in Canada today. Canadian immigration officials and the courts have denied them refugee status, and several currently face deportation, including 25-year-old Corey Glass.

Glass joined the National Guard in 2002 after assurances he would not see combat. But he was later deployed to Iraq, where he served as a military intelligence officer. He has said that witnessing the killing of civilians by U.S. troops turned him against the war.

“What I saw in Iraq convinced me that the war is illegal and immoral. I could not in good conscience continue to take part in it,” Glass said. Glass is still on active duty and considered absent without leave. But on May 21, Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board denied him refugee status, ruling that he did not face a “well-founded fear of persecution” such as torture or death if he returned to the United States. He is supposed to voluntarily return to the United States by June 12 or be deported. Glass would be the first Iraq War resister to be deported from Canada.

But Tuesday’s Parliamentary vote gave Glass and the other resisters hope. Cheering from the balcony of Parliament when the resolution was passed, Glass thanked the Parliamentarians and the many thousands of Canadians who support the resisters. “We hope the will of the Canadian people as expressed by Parliament will be carried out,” he said.

The Toronto-based War Resisters Support Campaign is also celebrating Tuesday’s vote. “This is a great victory for the courageous men and women who have come to Canada because they refuse to take part in the illegal, immoral Iraq War, and for the many organizations and individuals who have supported this campaign over the past four years,” said Lee Zaslofsky, Coordinator of the War Resisters Support Campaign and a Vietnam War deserter who came to Canada in 1970.

The Support Campaign is now calling for stepped up pressure on Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Immigration Minister Diane Finley to follow the will of the Canadian people and implement this motion. The U.S. group Courage to Resist is collecting letters of support from people all over the United States, and there will be new vigils and delegations to Canadian Embassies and Consulates around the U.S.

The hope is that the momentum from Tuesday’s vote will propel the Conservative government to reflect on its position and realize that it is more important to please the Canadian people, who are overwhelming against the Iraq war, than to please a lame-duck U.S. president.

End.

Medea Benjamin ([email protected]), along with Colonel Ann Wright, went to Canada on June 1 to speak at a gathering honoring war resisters. Both had been denied entry into Canada on a previous visit due to misdemeanor convictions from antiwar demonstrations. This time, thanks to media attention, grassroots support and an insistent Member of Parliament, Libby Davies, we were granted a one-day special entry permit to attend the conference. We took it as another sign that a more positive policy may well be in the offing
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Canada is about to get a bunch of these people,Just wait till they start the draft up again,it's coming!Only wat TPTB can continue their war as the troops they have now are woren out to many deployments.
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Dream on - Harper is a CIA plant. The Nazi's who call themselves conservatives redrew all the districts so we don't need diebold, only the oligarchy votes.
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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Well at least Canada will be getting the ones that can think!

Blindly following leaders will get you killed. Or worse, your kids would be killed.

This is Viet Nam all over again. Bushco just has not instituted the DRAFT yet. That may come if martial law is declared by the insanely stupid Bush.
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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If you fight in an ILLEGAL war, then you are a criminal.

Did I miss the Iraqi invasion of the US? Iranian invasion? Was there a Viet Namese invasion?

Running away is ALWAYS an option. Sometimes a good one...
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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We have been invaded?? OMG where are they now?? Did they invade from mexico?? Or do they have a beachhead on the westcoast somewhere??
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It's cool that Canada is letting the draft dodgers stay.

But people, when the shit hits the fan, Canada will not be a refuge, it will institute the same martial law, etc., as the USA ... Canada just does whatever the USA wants. There was even a recent deal re: Canada allowing cross-border military activity in "civil emergencies".

Canada, U.S. agree to use each other's troops in civil emergencies
David Pugliese , Canwest News Service
Published: Friday, February 22
Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.

The U.S. military's Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.

The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which is campaigning against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, is raising concerns about the deal.

"It's kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites," said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.

Trew said there is potential for the agreement to militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. He noted that work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.

"Are we going to see (U.S.) troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?" he asked.

Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. "We don't know the answers because the government doesn't want to even announce the plan," he said.

But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.

He said the agreement is "benign" and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.

"But there's no agreement to allow troops to come in," he said. "It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The 'allow' piece is entirely up to the two governments."

If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.

News of the deal, and the allegation it was kept secret in Canada, is already making the rounds on left-wing blogs and Internet sites as an example of the dangers of the growing integration between the two militaries.

On right-wing blogs in the U.S. it is being used as evidence of a plan for a "North American union" where foreign troops, not bound by U.S. laws, could be used by the American federal government to override local authorities.

"Co-operative militaries on Home Soil!" notes one website. "The next time your town has a 'national emergency,' don't be surprised if Canadian soldiers respond. And remember - Canadian military aren't bound by posse comitatus."

Posse comitatus is a U.S. law that prohibits the use of federal troops from conducting law enforcement duties on domestic soil unless approved by Congress.

Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.

Scanlon said the actual agreement hasn't been released to the public as that requires approval from both nations. That decision has not yet been taken, he added.

Ottawa Citizen 2008
[link to www.canada.com]
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AC 290322:

Yeah, thanks for bringing up the SPP and ruining my day! That thing is a piece of work!

If you want to do something about it:

This from Peter Julian, MP (Burnaby-New Westminster)
NDP International Trade Critic :

(no links = no autoban)

I wanted to get back to you after the events in New Orleans around the SPP. It is clear to me after the Leaders’ press conference that concluded the summit that the SPP agenda is on the defensive. and it was interesting to note that Bush Harper and Calderon spent their entire press conference trying to defend NAFTA and the US-Colombia free trade agreement, rather than announcing any new initiative on the SPP. It shows me that the work of the NDP, the labour movement and civil society groups in opposition to the SPP is having an impact.

I was very happy to work in New Orleans with the Council of Canadians, members of Common Frontiers, and labour unions like CUPE, CEP, COPE and the Steelworkers.

Attached you will find an op-ed that I wrote coming back from New Orleans on the appalling neglect of poorer residents of New Orleans. A video link is attached to a terrific short documentary done by James Flack, who was in New Orleans . You will also find the op-ed that I co-authored with Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) and Senator Yeidckol Polevnsky (Vice President of the Mexican Senate), going into the New Orleans summit. The three of us are the co-chairs of the Taskforce on NAFTA Renegotiation, which was announced in March in Washington to push for NAFTA renegotiation.

I’d like to welcome many new members to this STOPSPP group. I encourage all of you to log onto our facebook site, so that you can get up to the minute updates of the NDP's STOPSPP tour. We’ve hit 24 cities in eight provinces so far, and many of the crowds have been standing room only: 200, 300, 400 people. Please encourage other Canadians who wish to stop the SPP to sign on as a supporter on our face book site. We have posted here many videos of our STOPSPP tour done by activists. Get those who oppose the SPP to join as supporters and be part of a broader STOPSPP movement.

Finally, our website at peterjulian.ca has copies of the STOPSPP petition. The NDP has presented in the House of Commons the names of thousands of Canadians opposed to the SPP since we have been circulating the petition since last summer.

Together, we can stop the SPP!

Peter Julian, MP (Burnaby-New Westminster)
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Tel: (613) 992-4214 Fax: (613) 947-9500
TTY: (613) 992-4249

A bit off topic but important. Canadians don't want the SPP.

AT LEAST THE WAR RESISTERS CAN STAY IN CANADA.
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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Word up. And these fucking cowards didn't even dodge a draft! They volunteered and then weren't up to the job when they were called to do their duty. We don't need there type up here that's for sure.
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wasn't the war based on lies anyway?

hopefully the war promoters stay the fuck out
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It's cool that Canada is letting the draft dodgers stay.

But people, when the shit hits the fan, Canada will not be a refuge, it will institute the same martial law, etc., as the USA ... Canada just does whatever the USA wants. There was even a recent deal re: Canada allowing cross-border military activity in "civil emergencies".

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Nope. When the US first went in to Iraq, Bushco wanted/expected Canada to follow suit.
PM Chretien did not do as Bushco wanted.

It's important.

Canada HAS BEEN and WILL BE a refuge.

Also AC, Canada and US have different laws and gov't regulations. Canada has a multi-party, parliamentary system which makes it easier for the public to keep gov't power in check.

If Canada "...does whatever the USA wants.." then don't you think we would be handing them back the war resisters?

And we won't!!
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Nope. When the US first went in to Iraq, Bushco wanted/expected Canada to follow suit.
PM Chretien did not do as Bushco wanted.

It's important.

Canada HAS BEEN and WILL BE a refuge.

Also AC, Canada and US have different laws and gov't regulations. Canada has a multi-party, parliamentary system which makes it easier for the public to keep gov't power in check.

If Canada "...does whatever the USA wants.." then don't you think we would be handing them back the war resisters?

And we won't!!
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You really, honestly believe that? I congratulate you on your optimism. The North American Union is coming, sooner rather than later. The American war resisters will be handed back eventually. Wait and see.
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Word up. And these fucking cowards didn't even dodge a draft! They volunteered and then weren't up to the job when they were called to do their duty. We don't need there type up here that's for sure.
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Since when is it a crime to change your mind?

If you see something happening that is terribly wrong and not anything like what you were led to believe...

Why is it wrong to THINK? Hmmmm......this is a bad idea. Maybe we should do something else...

It takes real courage to resist The Powers That Were.

We need "their type" up here. The world needs their "type".
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You really, honestly believe that? I congratulate you on your optimism. The North American Union is coming, sooner rather than later. The American war resisters will be handed back eventually. Wait and see.
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I used to worry about the North American Union. But then I realized that the US will be in tatters very shortly. Economy, environment, social unrest, and weather disasters.

Who would want to hook up to a country where the national debt will not be paid off in... how many generations?

Bushco still acts like the US is a wealthy country, when they owe trillions.

For a North American Union to become reality, the US would have to INVADE.

But that is not a problem for Bushco.
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I'm glad that my country has taken that stand and yet I have mixed emotions on the issue.

I remember the Viet Nam war very well and I remember the young Americans who came here, but it was very different! They sought refuge as their fellow countrymen fought to stop the war. Protestors filled the streets and burned their draft cards until they fianlly stopped the war. No one is doing that now.

I guess that puts even less support behind those who are objecting and an even bigger need to shelter their free choice.

Americans really don't understand Canadian politics or Canadians at all. Most of us now see Harper for the Bush yes-man he is and are very thankful we had the insight to make sure he has a minority government. If he uses any means to try and stop what is the will of the people he loses more than he gains.

We don't worship our politicans or bow down to a piece of silk or run around screaming "My country, right or wrong" A lot of things aren't right here but Canadians themselves are, as a rule, quiet but deadly protestors. We won't make waves but we will take action in our own subtle way.

Americans seem to make huge waves but take no action.
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Let me get this straight. Approximately 58,000 U.S. dead soldiers in Vietnam, 2 million dead Vietnamese, and people get upset because the U.S. CHOSE to invade that country and thus draft dodgers were demonized??

It has been proven that the entire Gulf of Tonkin 'incident' was faked. Thank you President numbnuts Johnson. Worthless piece of shit.

Soooooooo, you're a 'draft dodger' because your country 'needed' you for fight a fucking illegal war? And you choose not to go??

When are people going to wake the fuck up?

OK, so people voluntarily sign up for Iraq/Afghanistan, then they discover how totally bogus it all is, and so what if they leave the country? We all make mistakes.

In or around 2010, the North American Union will be reality. Why do you think the Mexican borders were NEVER closed? Canada is still pussy-whipped by the Queen, they've never known true freedom. The U.S. owns them BTW; they just don't know it yet.

It's over folks. Anyone who feels 'loyal' to the United States Government is seriously deluded. They'll send you off to yet another war (usually for that country's resources), you get killed and they get richer.

At least they'll pay for your funeral. Oh, wow.

If you feel you need a challenge in life, take control of your life and make plans on how you and your family are going to survive the massive changes HAPPENING NOW!!!

In my five decades on this planet, I've gone from being a totally brainwashed American citzen, to an awakened invididual and let me tell you, the deprogramming process IS A BITCH!

Conclusion: if you want to commit suicide and actually feel good about it by (ahem) "serving your country", by all means, join the military.

And to think I used to be such a conservative Republican!! I laugh about it now.
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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God, you and people like you are incredibly stupid. When my children are of age, and if there is a draft going on, I will make sure they go to someplace like Canada (if that resolution becomes law) because I refuse to allow them to die for NOTHING or for the manipulators, you stupid, rank piece of shit. YOU go ahead and die for rich, useless bastards, and send your kids too if you wish.
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?


God, you and people like you are incredibly stupid. When my children are of age, and if there is a draft going on, I will make sure they go to someplace like Canada (if that resolution becomes law) because I refuse to allow them to die for NOTHING or for the manipulators, you stupid, rank piece of shit. YOU go ahead and die for rich, useless bastards, and send your kids too if you wish.
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P.S. to my post above...the only invasion right now is from Mexico. WHY are our troops not on the border defending us? THAT would be a legitimate war.
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I'm glad that my country has taken that stand and yet I have mixed emotions on the issue.

I remember the Viet Nam war very well and I remember the young Americans who came here, but it was very different! They sought refuge as their fellow countrymen fought to stop the war. Protestors filled the streets and burned their draft cards until they fianlly stopped the war. No one is doing that now.

I guess that puts even less support behind those who are objecting and an even bigger need to shelter their free choice.

Americans really don't understand Canadian politics or Canadians at all. Most of us now see Harper for the Bush yes-man he is and are very thankful we had the insight to make sure he has a minority government. If he uses any means to try and stop what is the will of the people he loses more than he gains.

We don't worship our politicans or bow down to a piece of silk or run around screaming "My country, right or wrong" A lot of things aren't right here but Canadians themselves are, as a rule, quiet but deadly protestors. We won't make waves but we will take action in our own subtle way.

Americans seem to make huge waves but take no action.
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Good post. I agree with you almost completely.

The Viet Nam war ended for several reasons, one being that, the war was in your living room every night at 6:00 pm. Real horrible, gut-wrenching pictures. What war is in reality, Disgusting, revolting chaos and waste.

Secondly, when it is your kid that dies, your life changes dramatically for the worse. And you wonder why did that have to happen? Why my kid? A lot died...a lot came back messed up.

Thirdly, the Hippie movement. Peace, man.

During this Long Iraq War, the American news, msm, is muzzled and likely complicit. No film, no pictures, and propaganda rules the day. Investigative journalism is dead. The easy availability of truth died with it.

Protest marches and rallies : Bushco tries hard to make them illegal or an arrestable crime. Or, federal agents are inserted into the crowd to attempt violence to incite a riot, thus making a police/military crackdown response acceptable.

Cindy Sheehan is right! Bush should explain to her why her son was killed! Doesn't she at least deserve that? She raised him, it was her kid.

Pat Tillman, a true martyred hero...

Kenney Trentadue. His brother Jesse is a lawyer, wants to know who beat his brother to death while in federal custody,... bad luck for Bushco!!

Yes, Mi'kmaq (sp?) I think would should prepare for visits from our American cousins...
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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as far as I know, no foreign nation has ever invaded USA nor does the threat exist immediately. The draft that will be set In motion soon enough will be to send them to another country for INVASION. You got it backswards bud, we are the invaders!
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Word up. And these fucking cowards didn't even dodge a draft! They volunteered and then weren't up to the job when they were called to do their duty. We don't need there type up here that's for sure.


Since when is it a crime to change your mind?

If you see something happening that is terribly wrong and not anything like what you were led to believe...

Why is it wrong to THINK? Hmmmm......this is a bad idea. Maybe we should do something else...

It takes real courage to resist The Powers That Were.

We need "their type" up here. The world needs their "type".
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I agree CCF, we do need their type here in Canada!

Thanks for an uplifting "feel good" type of news item. I say let them all come here!

The next thing we need to do is to vote in a new PM with some brains.

hf
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It takes real courage to resist The Powers That Were.

We need "their type" up here. The world needs their "type".

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I agree CCF, we do need their type here in Canada!

Thanks for an uplifting "feel good" type of news item. I say let them all come here!

The next thing we need to do is to vote in a new PM with some brains.

hf
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LOL. Harper is probably doing the best he can, with what he's got!

Yes, the American Draft Dodgers from the Viet Nam War era, were some of the most intelligent, thoughtful people I have ever met.
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It takes real courage to resist The Powers That Were.

We need "their type" up here. The world needs their "type".

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I agree CCF, we do need their type here in Canada!

Thanks for an uplifting "feel good" type of news item. I say let them all come here!

The next thing we need to do is to vote in a new PM with some brains.

hf
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LOL. Harper is probably doing the best he can, with what he's got!

Yes, the American Draft Dodgers from the Viet Nam War era, were some of the most intelligent, thoughtful people I have ever met.
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It takes real courage to resist The Powers That Were.

We need "their type" up here. The world needs their "type".

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I agree CCF, we do need their type here in Canada!

Thanks for an uplifting "feel good" type of news item. I say let them all come here!

The next thing we need to do is to vote in a new PM with some brains.

hf
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LOL. Harper is probably doing the best he can, with what he's got!

Yes, the American Draft Dodgers from the Viet Nam War era, were some of the most intelligent, thoughtful people I have ever met.
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If you think canadians are going to be accepting you with open Arms LOL LOL Also to get there you'll have to register - then they own you when the extraditions begin lol Good Luck OP - Coward !
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?


God, you and people like you are incredibly stupid. When my children are of age, and if there is a draft going on, I will make sure they go to someplace like Canada (if that resolution becomes law) because I refuse to allow them to die for NOTHING or for the manipulators, you stupid, rank piece of shit. YOU go ahead and die for rich, useless bastards, and send your kids too if you wish.
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They are a tiny minority of the population. Two digit IQs and avid FOX news consumers.
Dumb bastards think the war is about terrorism and spreading democracy.
Reality seldom intrudes in their tiny easily manipulated brains.
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If you think canadians are going to be accepting you with open Arms LOL LOL Also to get there you'll have to register - then they own you when the extraditions begin lol Good Luck OP - Coward !
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Yes, the Canadians will accept war resisters with open arms. Just as we did during Viet Nam. In fact the Native Indians used to come here to keep from getting slaughtered.

Register to cross the border ! yuk yuk yuk! The longest undefended border in the world. There was a path we used to call the "Ho Chi Minh Trail". The Draft Dodgers got a lot of help from people here. The '60's underground movement is still a story yet to be told accurately.

And...read the original post AC 110292, there will be NO extradition for war resisters. Also I am not the one signing myself Anonymous Coward...Idiot.
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There is no draft...9/11 was almost 7 years ago. The U.S. has a 100% volunteer Armed Force.
That means each and every man and woman who has either enlisted or re-enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces went in over the last 3 years knowing full well that they'd be sent to war.
These people are quiters, they signed a contract in good faith. If ya don't want to go to war don't join the military...let Canada have em. If things ever get tough for Canada they'll run away to Venezuala or someplace.
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How about if you go to CANADA BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH A BLACK MUSLIM PRESIDENT?
Will they send you back then?
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If you dodge the draft your a coward, your own country is going too be invaded and you just run away?
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I'm sorry - did I read this correctly?
(let me apologize if I did).
Do you actually think IRAN has an invasion force ready to take on the Untied States?
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