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Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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The nafo phagggs still nafo phagggin.
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The nafo phagggs still nafo phagggin.
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Complete bsflag

Where's your trainee leader with the granny elbows ?
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Russia 1 - NATO 0

End of story

How many young Ukranians died so that we could realize the superiority of the Russian armed forces?

Same old sh1t.
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What? Russia already won and a whole generation of Ukrainian men dead for nothing.
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The nafo phagggs still nafo phagggin.
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Russia 1 - NATO 0

End of story

How many young Ukranians died so that we could realize the superiority of the Russian armed forces?

Same old sh1t.
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“ the superiority of the Russian armed forces”

epiclol
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It’s true

Russian military superiority is real.

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maybe they have a couple of thousand M4 Sherman tanks left over they could send in? Ukrainians would run in fear when they see AMERICAN made tanks coming for them!
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Newsweek lol
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Russia has decimated the "Ukrainian Military"
such as it was. They are FINISHED.

Maybe like in our elections, Ukraine can recruit
the dead?


epiclol
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Russia has decimated the "Ukrainian Military"
such as it was. They are FINISHED.

Maybe like in our elections, Ukraine can recruit
the dead?


epiclol
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Everybody heard of the Ghost of Kyiv. Ghosts are dead they aren't alive. Now Russia is fighting the Ukraine Ghost Army. And Russia is equipped with the absolute best equipment available in 1960s Soviet Union! Poor old Ghost Army of Ukraine just has to somehow fight back against the 18km range of the mighty D30 gun-howitzer with the "made by the lowest bidder" ATACMS missiles which only go 300km. and then they blast out cluster bombs all over the place.
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saw a documentary about this on teevee. exactly the same thing happened when Elmer tried to shoot Bugs but Bugs stuck a carrot in the end of Elmer's gun.
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Yes of course

A nation of 150m hardened men that’s whooped Sweden, Nazi Germany and France and has been fighting 30 countries thru ukraine suddenly needs to surrender


Yes. Makes sense. Ya know, with all their endless natural resources
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no ones buyn this shit man stop stealing tax money from our countries fuck off
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lol...you can see how hopeless the West is just by looking at it's dumb propaganda.
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Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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Re: Russia desperate for peace talks because Ukraine now has huge advantage in artillery, Russia using 1950s gear
Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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You believe this complete and utter bullshit, I have some ocean front property in Arizona...
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Newsweek lol
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lol...you can see how hopeless the West is just by looking at it's dumb propaganda.
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Ok, Comrade Portugal. You’re a prolific Russia shill here. Maybe you can provide us with a rebuttal to what the article stated about your glorious Russian army using 1950s equipment, although we’ve even seen the pics of it.
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Economics: cheap vs expensive.
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Remember those 80-year-old naval guns that Russian marines bolted to 70-year-old armored tractors and rushed to the front line in Ukraine starting this spring?

It always was obvious that the MT-LB-2M-3 was a desperate military’s partial solution to an urgent problem. Deep losses of purpose-built air-defenses and infantry-support weapons compelled the Russians to make do with whatever old vehicles and weapons they had lying around.

But now we’ve seen a video of an MT-LB-2M-3 actually firing its over-under 25-millimeter cannons—and it’s apparent the Frankenstein’s monster of a combat vehicle is even less than the sum of its crude parts.

The video, which circulated on social media on Monday, confirms what many observers suspected: the 1950s-vintage 2M-3 turret, in its MT-LB application, is totally unstabilized. The vibration from firing the first few rounds all but guarantees that subsequent rounds will fly well wide of their target.

The MT-LB-2M-3’s lack of stabilization is especially galling considering that even the Russian ZSU-23-4—a tracked air-defense vehicle mounting quad 23-millimeter cannons that first appeared in the mid-1960s—has hydraulic stabilization augmented by a computerized “kinematic roll circuit.” And the aging ZSU-23-4 isn’t exactly know for its stability while firing.

We subsequently caught glimpses of the crude vehicles protecting trench-digging crews against Ukrainian drones, but other than that we have scant evidence that the Frankenvehicles have made any meaningful contribution to the Russians’ defensive campaign.

And no wonder: an MT-LB-2M-3 can do little more than spray its guns in the general direction of enemy forces, while its crew prays for a lucky hit.



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Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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You believe this complete and utter bullshit, I have some ocean front property in Arizona...
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Same question as above.

Maybe you can provide us with a rebuttal to what the article stated about your glorious Russian army using 1950s equipment, although we’ve even seen the pics of it.





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