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Looks like Putin has taken the gloves off.

Ukraine is toast

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11/24/2023 06:10 AM
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lol...you can see how hopeless the West is just by looking at it's dumb propaganda.
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Ok, Comrade Portugal. You’re a prolific Russia shill here. Maybe you can provide us with a rebuttal to what the article stated about your glorious Russian army using 1950s equipment, although we’ve even seen the pics of it.
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But both sides have been using D-20 and D-30 cannons since 2014 and rightly so since they can still get the job done and are in fact in service is many armies across the World including in Eastern Europe. This is turning non-news into news wrapped around silly propaganda.
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Meanwhile in the trenches Ukrainian +40 year old women serving as cannon fodder

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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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11/24/2023 06:16 AM
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Looks like Putin has taken the gloves off.

Ukraine is toast


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they are SAVING all the good trucks for the war with NATO!
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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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…says Sergei after 21 months of no gains.
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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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hesright
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Re: Russia desperate for peace talks because Ukraine now has huge advantage in artillery, Russia using 1950s gear
Thats rubbish

Russia knows a big war is coming and they are ready for it, and do not want to go there.

Russia does not want this big war, but they are ready for it.

Stop lying.

J are forcing war on russia, and although russia is ready, russia at same time is trying to stop this course, that j want.
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Looks like Putin has taken the gloves off.

Ukraine is toast


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they are SAVING all the good trucks for the war with NATO!
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laugh
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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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…says Sergei after 21 months of no gains.
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No gains except making the AFU average age go from 33 years old to 46...
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11/24/2023 06:20 AM
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Unfortunately, the Russian army lost a large percentage of their computing power in accomplishing the glorious victory thus ending Ukraine’s counteroffensive and winning the war.

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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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no you can't. the Ukrainians have gun artillery with range up to 50km and rocket artillery with range of hundreds of kilometers. D30 guns could maybe shoot 20km if it was new gun with top quality new ammo and they were shooting downhill? Ukrainians have counter-battery radar which works. Russians ran out of that, and they fired the Airborne Colonel who said they urgently need counter-battery radar. very soon after Russian Army fires their D30 guns they get hit with cluster bombs from artillery and rockets.

Russia is using 1950s equipment and ammo. Ukraine has 2010s ammo and equipment. It's not a fair fight. It is suicide for Russian Army. Time for President Putin to ask for peace talks.
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Silly NATO capitalist pigs and their Ukronazi lesbian lackeys think the can win against superior Russian technology?

Ha!

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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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…says Sergei after 21 months of no gains.
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No gains except making the AFU average age go from 33 years old to 46...
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Where did you get that number, Comrade Igor?
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11/24/2023 06:29 AM
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Russia 1 - NATO 0

End of story

How many young Ukranians died so that we could realize the superiority of the Russian armed forces?

Same old sh1t.
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“ the superiority of the Russian armed forces”

epiclol
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Are you retarded? This should be fact to you by now...
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11/24/2023 06:33 AM
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Russia is a joke.
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bsflag Ukraina was finished at the time when he thought of waging war....
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that's all they need, dumbass, those old weapons are more than enough to wipe out zelenskies geriatric/pregnant conscripts.

fish in a barrel, you can do it with a pea-shooter.
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…says Sergei after 21 months of no gains.
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No gains except making the AFU average age go from 33 years old to 46...
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Where did you get that number, Comrade Igor?
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From 30-35 to 43 my bad...but doesn't change anything. From here:

[link to time.com (secure)]

(It's Time so there goes the "It's Russian propaganda" BS)
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Russia is a joke.
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buncha shambling drunks
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Re: Russia desperate for peace talks because Ukraine now has huge advantage in artillery, Russia using 1950s gear
Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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Guess who was using 1950's weaponry before being armed by NATO forces? Ukraine. One of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

The world must wake up and act against Communist and Socialist groups within all countries. We must rid the planet of them once and for all. They have embedded themselves into governments globally using climate change and now global health.
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Russia is a joke.
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buncha shambling drunks
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There's a thread for that

Thread: The Russian drunks thread
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Re: Russia desperate for peace talks because Ukraine now has huge advantage in artillery, Russia using 1950s gear
Guess who was using 1950's weaponry before being armed by NATO forces? Ukraine. One of the most corrupt countries on Earth.
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people should stop acting surprised that Ukraine is getting help. USA, UK, France, and Russia signed an agreement in 1994 that they would not attack or threaten Ukraine, and that they would help Ukraine if it was attacked. Russia broke the agreement. The other countries are doing what they agreed, they are helping Ukraine while Ukraine is under attack.

If Russia really wants Ukraine to stop receiving help, then it is up to Russia to stop attacking and threatening Ukraine. While the Russian attacks and threats upon Ukraine continue, the agreed help from USA, UK, and France will continue.
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Silly NATO capitalist pigs and their Ukronazi lesbian lackeys think the can win against superior Russian technology?

Ha!


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cruise
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Russia 1 - NATO 0

End of story

How many young Ukranians died so that we could realize the superiority of the Russian armed forces?

Same old sh1t.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72705776


“ the superiority of the Russian armed forces”

epiclol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82174038


Are you retarded? This should be fact to you by now...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85451823


Correct.

Russia is easily the second most powerful military in Ukraine.
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Guess who was using 1950's weaponry before being armed by NATO forces? Ukraine. One of the most corrupt countries on Earth.
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people should stop acting surprised that Ukraine is getting help. USA, UK, France, and Russia signed an agreement in 1994 that they would not attack or threaten Ukraine, and that they would help Ukraine if it was attacked. Russia broke the agreement. The other countries are doing what they agreed, they are helping Ukraine while Ukraine is under attack.

If Russia really wants Ukraine to stop receiving help, then it is up to Russia to stop attacking and threatening Ukraine. While the Russian attacks and threats upon Ukraine continue, the agreed help from USA, UK, and France will continue.
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Ukraine broke the agreement when it installed a liberal-nazi mixed government with a very clear anti-Russian bent (anti-Russian as in straight up racialist). Furthermore you think Russia would let them create in Israel (with Russia having the role of Arabs) next to their doorstep? lol...Ukraine and Ukrainians are getting what they deserve for abandoning their "tribe" and religion and worshiping God America (Satan) instead.
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Russia is a joke.
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buncha shambling drunks
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There's a thread for that

Thread: The Russian drunks thread
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Lol good one mate.
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Russia is a joke.
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buncha shambling drunks
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There's a thread for that

Thread: The Russian drunks thread
 Quoting: Feckless Asterix


Lol good one mate.
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General Patton had a good one as well

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a China man or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them.

In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.


George S. Patton





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