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Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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buncha shambling drunks
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There's a thread for that

Thread: The Russian drunks thread
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Lol good one mate.
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General Patton had a good one as well

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a China man or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them.

In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.


George S. Patton
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Yet here we are in 2023 with America being the Cancer of Mankind.

PS - Patton's 3rd Army collapsed like a house of cards the only time it was tested.
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There's a thread for that

Thread: The Russian drunks thread
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Lol good one mate.
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General Patton had a good one as well

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a China man or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them.

In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.


George S. Patton
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Yet here we are in 2023 with America being the Cancer of Mankind.

PS - Patton's 3rd Army collapsed like a house of cards the only time it was tested.
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This vatnik is just over the fucking top.

I guess the troll farm isn't sending their best to GLP.

And by the way, piss off, Ivan.
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Lol good one mate.
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General Patton had a good one as well

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a China man or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them.

In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.


George S. Patton
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Yet here we are in 2023 with America being the Cancer of Mankind.

PS - Patton's 3rd Army collapsed like a house of cards the only time it was tested.
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This vatnik is just over the fucking top.

I guess the troll farm isn't sending their best to GLP.

And by the way, piss off, Ivan.
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Together with still illustrating that they are Asiatic barbarians as Patton observed 80 years ago, they really do have a seething hate for USA, don't they?
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Don’t forget that Russia also asked North Korea for some winter clothing. What’s next? Fishing boats from Somali pirates?
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Guess who was using 1950's weaponry before being armed by NATO forces? Ukraine. One of the most corrupt countries on Earth.
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people should stop acting surprised that Ukraine is getting help. USA, UK, France, and Russia signed an agreement in 1994 that they would not attack or threaten Ukraine, and that they would help Ukraine if it was attacked. Russia broke the agreement. The other countries are doing what they agreed, they are helping Ukraine while Ukraine is under attack.

If Russia really wants Ukraine to stop receiving help, then it is up to Russia to stop attacking and threatening Ukraine. While the Russian attacks and threats upon Ukraine continue, the agreed help from USA, UK, and France will continue.
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Ukraine broke the agreement when it installed a liberal-nazi mixed government with a very clear anti-Russian bent (anti-Russian as in straight up racialist). Furthermore you think Russia would let them create in Israel (with Russia having the role of Arabs) next to their doorstep? lol...Ukraine and Ukrainians are getting what they deserve for abandoning their "tribe" and religion and worshiping God America (Satan) instead.
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No that is incorrect. Russia agreed that they would not use threats or force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. Ukraine never agreed that their government would always be pro-Russian government. What you are describing is simply another breach of the agreement BY RUSSIA. Ukraine has political independence and territorial integrity and does not have nuclear weapons. That is what was agreed. Ukraine did not break the agreement.

If President Putin really wants peace he should immediately order all of his forces to stop attacking Ukraine and Ukrainians, and to withdraw to Moscow for a huuuuuuuge victory parade. If Russia really had won the war they would stop attacking and have a victory parade.
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norespect

Newsweak is a CIA shitrag.


You're a fukin joke, OP.

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Don’t forget that Russia also asked North Korea for some winter clothing. What’s next? Fishing boats from Somali pirates?
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You NAFO phaggits really need to get out of your mommies basement....

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Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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What the hell are you smoking man? stop watching MSM and you would know the truth....
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This article is absolute rubbish. Complete lies and half truths.
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Thats why Zelinsky is retreating hahaha
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Newsweak is a CIA shitrag.


You're a fukin joke, OP.

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man u gotta be real fucking dumb to believe this op. like seriously stupid
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man u gotta be real fucking dumb to believe this op. like seriously stupid
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OP you have just posted BULLSHIT..BIG BULLSHIT
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OP lives in Melbourne with Dan Andrews.
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Not true. Russia has already won the war for crying out loud. You people are tiresome
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Not true. Russia has already won the war for crying out loud. You people are tiresome
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Is that you, Doug Macgregor?

lol
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OP is a retard and doesn't know the MSM is propaganda

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Russia now has to use 1950s artillery guns and ammo because that's what they have left. They can fire about 10 miles. Russia ran out of counter-battery radar. The Colonel in charge of Russian Airborne forces got fired for saying they need counter-battery radar.

Ukraine has plenty of counter-battery radar, and now has ATACMS missiles with cluster bombs which can attack Russian artillery with no fear of response.

No wonder President Putin is asking for peace talks.



"It's really a big problem for the Russians," Ivan Stupak—a former officer in the Security Service of Ukraine and now an adviser to the Ukrainian parliament's national security, defense and intelligence committee—told Newsweek of Kyiv's artillery campaign. "It's not just a cliché, it's not Ukrainian propaganda."

"For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 9 to 11 miles," Stupak said.

"It's a very short distance; it's nothing compared with the Archer from Sweden," he said, referring to the system donated to Ukraine by Stockholm which has a range of more than 30 miles.

"Russian artillery stockpiles are totally depleted," Stupak said. "They are using this artillery because they have no other options."

President Vladimir Putin is shifting the Russian economy onto war footing, but ramping up replacement parts production for artillery is a complex task, and partially reliant on Western technology to which Moscow now has limited access. The pressure of worn-out barrels is a particularly big issue, Stupak said.

The Kremlin's problem is only becoming more pressing as advanced NATO munitions arrive in Ukraine. The summer-into-fall uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell.

Now, HIMARS-fired cluster munition variants of the long-range MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System—known as the ATACMS—are also in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine's gunners have been assisted by increasingly sophisticated counter-battery radars, used to quickly locate firing Russian guns.

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine's commander-in-chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was influential in Kyiv's push for cluster munitions, both the tube fired at ATACMS variants. Rice told Newsweek that the Ukrainians now have "fire superiority" over the Russians, as well as more advanced and effective weapons systems.

"The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war," Rice said, "which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a 'tragedy.'" Now, he added, Moscow is grappling with "deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires."

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greys-0ksure
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one can't help but take notice that a cease fire in palestine brings forth a new spurt of sperg j propaganda concerning ukraine
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Complete BS.

Russia beat NATO and 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers dead. Russia lost about 35k.

You're complicit with genocide if you keep pushing Russia losing. Wake the fuck up.
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Typical Pentagon inversion. You guys realize not a single fucking thing military related the US led west says is true. You know that right? It's 100% always opposite the truth. Always without fail.

Successfully lying is the only fucking thing they do at the Pentagon. They lie more than the shitlib drive-by media. And that's alot! They tell more lies before they get out of bed than most media do all day.
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This article is absolute rubbish. Complete lies and half truths.
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Typical j lies in this article, taking what russia are doing and pretending the russian motivations is what the observer ie the j is projecting into them, and there motivations

Russia wants peace, because russia knows war is coming, and they would like it stopped, and although russia is ready they would like to give ukraine that chance to stop the war.

Ukraine is a side issue here, j are warring with russia, and russia does not want to kill its cousins in ukraine.

Russia knows big war is coming, and although they are ready for that outcome, why shouldn't they want to give the other side the option not to go there?

The j want all out war, and why should russia do what they want.

Russia is ready for that war, but they are just saying they would like this stopped before it gets there. But they are ready if it does not, and all out war happens.
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Russia has decimated the "Ukrainian Military"
such as it was. They are FINISHED.

Maybe like in our elections, Ukraine can recruit
the dead?


epiclol
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Everybody heard of the Ghost of Kyiv. Ghosts are dead they aren't alive. Now Russia is fighting the Ukraine Ghost Army. And Russia is equipped with the absolute best equipment available in 1960s Soviet Union! Poor old Ghost Army of Ukraine just has to somehow fight back against the 18km range of the mighty D30 gun-howitzer with the "made by the lowest bidder" ATACMS missiles which only go 300km. and then they blast out cluster bombs all over the place.
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Do you know I saw a documentary of the history channel. Turns out the Ghost of Kiev was real! He had more kills than any fighter pilot in known military history. Saw a bunch on video so I know it’s true. In the movie he was re-enacted by Dolph Lundgren. It was highly realistic.

And to you second point. I agree. Russia is ready to go down the minute we send in a few NATO Divisions. Until then STFU. Zero happens. The Calvary can come and it all gets shot down any way.
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Well, what would they say? Our leopard, abrams and challengers tanks are useless? Bradleys, MLRS/HIMARS, Phz2000 etc, Patriot and other european air-defense systems, cruise missiles all useless as well? Because Ukraine is using *all of it* and still losing.

If they are losing despite using these, and the russians are truly using 50-90yr old equipment as the west claims, then NATO and Ukraine are complete idiots.
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OP is a retard.
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Russia has decimated the "Ukrainian Military"
such as it was. They are FINISHED.

Maybe like in our elections, Ukraine can recruit
the dead?


epiclol
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Everybody heard of the Ghost of Kyiv. Ghosts are dead they aren't alive. Now Russia is fighting the Ukraine Ghost Army. And Russia is equipped with the absolute best equipment available in 1960s Soviet Union! Poor old Ghost Army of Ukraine just has to somehow fight back against the 18km range of the mighty D30 gun-howitzer with the "made by the lowest bidder" ATACMS missiles which only go 300km. and then they blast out cluster bombs all over the place.
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Do you know I saw a documentary of the history channel. Turns out the Ghost of Kiev was real! He had more kills than any fighter pilot in known military history. Saw a bunch on video so I know it’s true. In the movie he was re-enacted by Dolph Lundgren. It was highly realistic.

And to you second point. I agree. Russia is ready to go down the minute we send in a few NATO Divisions. Until then STFU. Zero happens. The Calvary can come and it all gets shot down any way.
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Another retard.

There was NO 'ghost of Kiev' - it was all made up for stupid people - LIKE YOU!

The 'documentary' you saw was all fiction - which means it was not real in the first place.

Suckers like you should not be allowed to breed.
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The Americans and the British sent their troops into Afghanistan and Iraq in vehicles with about the same armour protection as those trucks.

The troops had to pay for their own plate carriers and plates.

As a result IED construction become hobby number 1 in those countries.
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Ukraine with an artillery advantage LOL.
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Ukraine with an artillery advantage LOL.
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