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God's Four Severe Judgments in Ezekiel

 
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poured out in fury mirror the coming Four Horsemen of the Tribulation. And these three great men of the Bible mentioned who are Noah, Daniel, and Job if found in the land would only be able to save themselves because of their righteousness. This should clear up any confusion on when the wrath of God begins in the 7-year Tribulation.



Judgment on Persistent Unfaithfulness

“Or if I send a pestilence into that land and pour out My fury on it in blood, and cut off from it man and beast, even though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live,” says the Lord God, “they would deliver neither son nor daughter; they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness.”

For thus says the Lord GOD: “How much more it shall be when I send My four severe judgments on Jerusalem—the sword and famine and wild beasts and pestilence—to cut off man and beast from it?
Ezekiel 14:19-21




And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Revelation 6:8
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Just as Noah, Job, and Daniel of the Old Testament would be removed because of their righteousness before God's wrath is poured out, so too because of what Jesus did for us on the cross are believers removed before judgment begins.


And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction,

Romans 3:22
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Some parts of the bible were written when someone was in a very bad mood.


Can anyone relate to feeling like this about one thing or another when suffering and just want death?
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Some parts of the bible were written when someone was in a very bad mood.


Can anyone relate to feeling like this about one thing or another when suffering and just want death?
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That someone is God and idolatry is the overwhelming occurrence throughout the Bible that angers Him the most. We're definitely living in the age of idolatry as in the days of Noah.


For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
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Jesus packed so much information into Matthew 24 about the end of days and the end of this age and He did so in just a few paragraphs. Keep in mind, this was right before He was about to be crucified and He was speaking to His disciples.

Throughout the Bible, we see a common theme of what's called "mountain peak prophecies" where one sentence may be describing a certain event and the next sentence may describe an event that sounds similar but is in fact different taking place 100, 1000, or some 3000 years after the event spoken of the sentence before. This is why it's impossible to understand certain prophetical scripture passages without cross-referencing and using context.

I believe the misunderstanding of what Jesus meant when He used the descriptive term "great" when describing the tribulation period derives from the reasoning mentioned above. His description of "great tribulation" wasn't in reference to the last half of the Tribulation or the day Jesus returns but rather the label "great" was meant to describe the time period as a whole and this becomes clear when we understand He was revealing so much information and prophecy and doing so in brevity as was common when He spoke.

Jesus was giving them a story of future events and simply labeled this period of judgment as "great" tribulation because it was God's judgment setting it apart from tribulation that those whom He was speaking would experience even unto death. So much confusion has stemmed from this word "great" in reference to the 7 year Tribulation period and the placement and timing denoting when the wrath of God actually begins. Countless books and theses have been written on this subject and Ezekiel 14 should clear up any confusion.

Understanding this allows us to see scripture flow more concisely and consistently and reaffirms what we already know to be true in that God will remove His people (believers made righteous through faith) before judgment begins just as He would remove Noah, Job, and Daniel because of their righteousness given the same circumstances faced.


Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!
Romans 5:9
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The Day of the Lord

Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.

For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-9
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Behold, I will cast her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they shall repent of her deeds.

Revelation 2:22
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Behold, I will cast her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they shall repent of her deeds.

Revelation 2:22
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Ain’t no joke

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Ezekiel is a scary humbling book

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Some parts of the bible were written when someone was in a very bad mood.


Can anyone relate to feeling like this about one thing or another when suffering and just want death?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83617866


I’ve often said

The Bible was written by people who were suffering alone

You can certainly feel that
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The Day of the Lord

Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.

For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-9
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How many times has American leaders said peace and security??

Many times

Are we not in these last days???
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The Day of the Lord

Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.

For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-9
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How many times has American leaders said peace and security??




Many times

Are we not in these last days???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80699619



We know where TRUE Peace & Safety are found!

EMMANUEL: "The God who is here with us." hf
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Just as Noah, Job, and Daniel of the Old Testament would be removed because of their righteousness before God's wrath is poured out, so too because of what Jesus did for us on the cross are believers removed before judgment begins.


And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction,

Romans 3:22
 Quoting: Seek^


Just seems like the point of diminishing returns is met for the harvest of souls to form replacement angels.

It is nothing more then a cold industrial process to make an end product.

That is what bothers me the most about it all. If God had been honest, fine, but the sheer dishonesty and false judgements, as God doesn't care, he is just getting rid of "bad product".

There is no real justice, and there never will be, because it is all part of the process. Nothing will ever be restored, the years the locust have devoured will never be returned.

As long as men and women marry and beget children, God is incapable of being Just towards mortals. No matter what we do, God will always hand us over to our enemies in this life(with varying pretexts given to justify it), and in the next, those that are selected, will just be undead slaves that exist to fill a labor shortage.

What hope is there when not even God is capable of being righteous?
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Just as Noah, Job, and Daniel of the Old Testament would be removed because of their righteousness before God's wrath is poured out, so too because of what Jesus did for us on the cross are believers removed before judgment begins.


And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction,

Romans 3:22
 Quoting: Seek^


Just seems like the point of diminishing returns is met for the harvest of souls to form replacement angels.

It is nothing more then a cold industrial process to make an end product.

That is what bothers me the most about it all. If God had been honest, fine, but the sheer dishonesty and false judgements, as God doesn't care, he is just getting rid of "bad product".

There is no real justice, and there never will be, because it is all part of the process. Nothing will ever be restored, the years the locust have devoured will never be returned.

As long as men and women marry and beget children, God is incapable of being Just towards mortals. No matter what we do, God will always hand us over to our enemies in this life(with varying pretexts given to justify it), and in the next, those that are selected, will just be undead slaves that exist to fill a labor shortage.

What hope is there when not even God is capable of being righteous?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48514298

What is your solution?

To say God is incapable of being Just toward mortals has no basis in truth.

How much more could a mortal human ask from an omnipotent God who granted them life to begin with? The question isn't what does God owe us, it's what can we maybe do for God to make Him smile as each breath we inhale is by His mercy and grace alone. All He asks from us is to believe in Him, that's it.

What God puts on flesh for His own creation and willingly is beaten beyond recognition, spat upon, crowned with sharp thorns and nailed to a cross in agony to die in their place?


He gives us freewill to choose life or death, He or the devil. He not only tells us the future and the outcome as well as what lies ahead for eternity, He gives us wisdom in His word and in simply asking which helps us understand life and how to live it properly. After all of this, the Creator of all life Himself then comes and lives within a believer's heart guiding and communicating with them to ensure they finish their walk of life not in timidity but in boldness and assurance of their salvation with everyday being a new adventure.

What more could a mere human sinner ask from God Almighty?

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Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

Colossians 3:5-7
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“Come out of her, My people,
so that you will not share in her sins
or contract any of her plagues.

For her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.

Give back to her as she has done to others;
pay her back double for what she has done;
mix her a double portion in her own cup.

As much as she has glorified herself and lived in luxury,
give her the same measure of torment and grief.
In her heart she says, ‘I sit as queen;
I am not a widow and will never see grief.’

Therefore her plagues will come in one day—
death and grief and famine—
and she will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.”

Revelation 18:4-8
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poured out in fury mirror the coming Four Horsemen of the Tribulation. And these three great men of the Bible mentioned who are Noah, Daniel, and Job if found in the land would only be able to save themselves because of their righteousness. This should clear up any confusion on when the wrath of God begins in the 7-year Tribulation.
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Huh??

This clears up exactly NOTHING.

No One, and I mean NO ONE is righteous before God in the energy of their own flesh. Not Daniel, not Job and not Noah.


The Wrath of God begins exactly where the Word of God says it begins:


"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:12-14

This mirrors the cosmic disturbances mentioned by Jesus:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shake" Matt 24:29


Cosmic Disturbances, then Rapture of the living Believers:

"And He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


And next comes the Wrath of God:


"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Rev 6:15-17



It's really rather simple.

It only gets complex when you try to force the Church as the 24 Elders and 'seek' to derail threads with other threads about Ezekiel that have nothing to do with endtimes.
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“Come out of her, My people,
so that you will not share in her sins
or contract any of her plagues.

For her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.

Give back to her as she has done to others;
pay her back double for what she has done;
mix her a double portion in her own cup.

As much as she has glorified herself and lived in luxury,
give her the same measure of torment and grief.
In her heart she says, ‘I sit as queen;
I am not a widow and will never see grief.’

Therefore her plagues will come in one day—
death and grief and famine—
and she will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.”

Revelation 18:4-8
 Quoting: Seek^




Isaiah 26:20 tells us that we will be here for Tribulation:


"Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past."

This verse in Isaiah tells us to hide ourselves while the devil rages .... Tribulation times.


The very next verse tells us God's response:

"For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain."

This is God's Wrath.


You see?

Seals 1-5 are the devil's wrath

Everything after that is God's Wrath.



Quite easy to understand.





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