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Proof Beyond Any Doubt That Todd Bentley Is A False Prophet & A Deceiver, He is An Anti-Christ

 
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I have posted much against the false prophecy of Todd Bentley on the other thread regarding the Lake land revival, many posters on that particular thread who have been given the gift of discernment tried to warn our brothers and sisters about the demonic happenings that are going on there but many ignored us and were unable to see past the deception.

There is no doubt in my mind that what is happening there is part of the end times delusion and the great falling away by those who do not know the true word of God but have itching ears, the reason i say this is that if you know your Bible inside out and are guided by the holy spirit while you read then you will most definitely see the holes in Bentley's ministry and would not be falling into this end times trap of the Devil.

I am going to prove beyond reasonable doubt who and what Bentley is and as you will see he is NOT a prophet of the living God of Israel.

Brothers and sisters you need to watch and listen very carefully to the videos and audio that i am presenting you with because if you don't you are doing yourself serious harm.

If after you watch and listen to what i am posting here and you still believe that Bentley is a true disciple of the Lord God Almighty, then let it be known that you are responsible for your own downfall and the blame shall not rest upon the prophets who have tried to warn you and save you from this destruction!!!

This first video exposes Bentleys demonic doctrines and his encounters with demonic entities, it is 11 mins long.
[link to www.youtube.com]

Second video is regarding Bentley telling a story about him laying on an operating table in HEAVEN with 4 so called angels in white coats who rip him open, what he is describing is an Alien abduction and if you do the research you will find that Aliens are in fact demonic entities which are also part of the end times trap, i have researched this subject thoroughly with the discernment of the holy spirit and i can assure you 100% that the coming UFO/Alien agenda is part of the end times deception!!!
[link to livingjourney.wordpress.com]

Audio, Todd Friel Listens to Todd Bentley Kick People In The Face and listen to him saying that the Lord told him to SMASH a crippled women’s legs with a BASEBALL BAT AND KICK HER IN THE FACE!!!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

Todd Bentley "we must believe in THE ANGEL"!
[link to www.youtube.com]

Todd and Sid's Excellent Adventure
[link to www.youtube.com]

Todd Bently Slains Pastors while speaking in false tongues!!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

And now for the finale the icing on the cake so to speak, at
5 mins onwards listen to Bentley tell that he was involved in SATANIC WORSHIP AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF and had 25 demons in him EVEN after converting to Christianity and being born again!!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

Well brothers and sisters this is all i can give you and as i've already said if you still believe in this demon then so be it you have full responsibilty for your fate but remember

YOU WERE WARNED!!!

Marana-tha
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He doesn't work for me!!! LOL
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Rebuke for Desertion

The Galatian believers probably thought they were simply adding a few Jewish customs to the gospel in order to enhance the value of their faith in Christ. But this addition to the gospel actually negated the essence of the gospel. First Paul rebukes the Galatians for their desertion; next he blames the confusion on those who perverted the gospel; and then he pronounces a solemn condemnation of all who tamper with the truth of the gospel.Desertion from the Gospel (1:6)

Paul's expression of astonishment is actually a stinging rebuke: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel. The present tense of the verb deserting tells us that the Galatian Christians had not yet decisively carried out their desertion. They were just starting to turn around and leave. Paul's letter was designed to arrest them before they had gone too far. The one they were deserting was the one who had called them by the grace of Christ. While this may be read as a reference to Paul himself, similar references to God's call by his grace in Paul's life (1:15) and in the Galatians' experience (5:8) indicate that the reference is to God. Paul is stunned that people who had just recently experienced so much of God's miraculous power by his Spirit in their lives (3:1-5) would now turn away from him. They are turning their backs on God in order to follow a different gospel.

The content of this different gospel will become evident as we read the letter. But it is clear already that this gospel was not God-centered. It was drawing people away from God to focus on themselves. Preoccupation with racial identity, religious observance and ceremonial rituals was robbing them of their experience of God's grace expressed in Christ. The irony and tragedy of the situation was that in their pious pursuit of spiritual perfection (3:3) they were actually turning away from God.

The Galatian tragedy is a warning for us that not every quest for spirituality is in reality a quest for God. The emphasis in our day on "spirituality" and "spiritual formation" may be a way of finding God. But it may also be a way of running and hiding from God. When we are enticed by provocative books on New Age spirituality, we must remember that the Galatian Christians were trapped by a message that promised spiritual perfection but turned them away from God.Perversion of the Gospel (1:7)

The fascinating, even spellbinding teaching of some people in the Galatian churches had turned the Galatian believers away from the true gospel. Paul boldly asserts that the different gospel which is so attractive to the Galatian Christians is really no gospel at all. It is a perversion of the gospel of Christ, perpetrated by some people who are trying to cause confusion in the Galatian churches.

Probably these people claimed that their message supplemented and completed Paul's message. They would not have viewed their version of the gospel as heretical. After all, they did not deny the deity of Christ, the cross of Christ or the resurrection of Christ. They subtracted nothing from Paul's message. They only added to it.

But Paul does not allow their gospel to stand as a legitimate option. He sets forth a radical antithesis. His gospel cannot be served alongside other gospels, buffet-style. There is only one true gospel of Christ. The rest of his letter defines the true gospel in antithesis to the false gospel, so that the readers will reject the false and embrace the true.Condemnation of Perverters of the Gospel (1:8-10)

Paul places all advocates of a gospel that differs from his gospel under condemnation. Adherence to the true gospel is the final test of true authority. Even the authority of a messenger from heaven or the authority of Paul himself must be tested by loyalty to the gospel. It is important to note that Paul holds himself accountable to this ultimate measure of authority. His apostolic authority is not arbitrary; it is valid only as long as he is faithful to the true gospel.

In the history of the church we can observe two extremes in the use of authority. Sometimes those who have leadership roles do not exercise their God-given authority; leaderless churches drift into compromise and divide into competing factions. This was the condition of the Corinthian church. But on the other hand, some persons in leadership roles attempt to exercise absolute control over the church and place themselves above any criticism; enslaved churches lack freedom to grow in faith and love. This was the condition of the Galatian churches. The intruders campaigned for the exclusive devotion of the Galatian Christians (4:17).

The extremes of anarchy and tyranny can be avoided in the church only when we implement Paul's combination of authority and accountability. Leaders in the church should lead with authority, because God is the ultimate source for their position; but they should also lead with humility, because God has set the final standard in the truth of the gospel, by which all are judged. Leaders must be held accountable to this final standard by those who are led.

In verse 9 Paul repeats his previous instruction, which eternally condemns anybody for preaching a gospel other than what the Galatian converts had originally accepted from Paul. Paul's double condemnation sounds terribly harsh and severe in our ears. It expresses an absolute intolerance for anyone who differs from his gospel. How can we seek to maintain harmony in a context of religious pluralism, we might respond, except by showing tolerance for all religious alternatives? Doesn't Paul himself argue for a tolerant acceptance of differences in other situations?

We need to understand that Paul was willing to accommodate himself to differences in matters such as what foods to eat or what days to celebrate (Rom 14--15; 1 Cor 8--10), but when the central truth of the gospel was at stake, he drew a clear line and refused to compromise. He was unyielding in his defense of "the truth of the gospel" (2:5, 14), because he wanted to protect the freedom of God's people. Paul did teach that Christians should "live at peace with everyone" (Rom 12:18); but when anyone negated the core of the gospel, especially the significance of the cross, he did not hesitate to forcefully refute that person, as we see here in Galatians and in his other letters (see 2 Cor 11:13-15; Col 2:8). While we should seek to maintain harmony in a context of religious pluralism by showing tolerance and respect for people of other religious persuasions, this should not lead us to compromise in any way the exclusiveness of the true gospel of Christ.

Of course our unwillingness to compromise the truth of the gospel will sometimes make us quite unpopular. In verse 10 Paul recognizes that his double condemnation of all who preach a gospel different from his gospel will certainly not be seen as an attempt to please people. His rhetorical questions call for a negative answer: "No, Paul, you are obviously not trying to win human approval, but God's." Perhaps Paul had been accused of trying to please people by preaching a gospel that did not require Gentiles to follow Jewish customs. But now after pronouncing judgment on all who preach a perversion of his gospel, he considers himself to be cleared of any accusation that his ambition is to please people. Such an ambition would indicate that he was not a true servant of Christ. By his loyalty to the gospel despite opposition, Paul proves his complete submission to the lordship of Christ. As a faithful servant to Christ, he is a rebuke to the Galatian believers who are so quickly deserting the One who called them and turning to a different gospel (1:6).

True servants of Christ will not win popularity contests with people who "gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear" (2 Tim 4:3). But even when they are unpopular, true servants of Christ are marked by unswerving loyalty to Christ. We can still hear the clear gospel message today because courageous men and women suffered greatly for their uncompromising defense of it in years past. They resisted immense pressure to renounce their faith in Christ, and they boldly declared, as Martin Luther did, "Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me."

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With regards to Todd Bentley's Angel experiences we all need to bear in mind what the Apostle Paul warned us!!!

Galatians 1:8,
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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on Sunday our pastor told us there are two types of Christians who are off track:

those who go here there and everywhere seeking the next big thing revival

and those who go about finding fault criticizing and rebuking all the time

he told us revival happens for us individually in our homes as we submit to God repent pray and read our Bibles

I've found this to be true

he also said we have to show others our love rather than rebuking them all the time

I believe this is true too

I've been a church hopper all my life

I'm finally settling down

I'm in a small group we meet once a week

I'm developing accountibility

hopefully leading to maturity!
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on Sunday our pastor told us there are two types of Christians who are off track:

those who go here there and everywhere seeking the next big thing revival

and those who go about finding fault criticizing and rebuking all the time
 Quoting: repenting backslider 449575


Both errors stem from the flesh/ego. You've got a wise and discerning pastor, RB.

I'm glad to see all is going well with you.

--autoimmune
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I think Revivals are for LAZY people....
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I have posted much against the false prophecy of Todd Bentley on the other thread regarding the Lake land revival, many posters on that particular thread who have been given the gift of discernment tried to warn our brothers and sisters about the demonic happenings that are going on there but many ignored us and were unable to see past the deception.

There is no doubt in my mind that what is happening there is part of the end times delusion and the great falling away by those who do not know the true word of God but have itching ears, the reason i say this is that if you know your Bible inside out and are guided by the holy spirit while you read then you will most definitely see the holes in Bentley's ministry and would not be falling into this end times trap of the Devil.

I am going to prove beyond reasonable doubt who and what Bentley is and as you will see he is NOT a prophet of the living God of Israel.

Brothers and sisters you need to watch and listen very carefully to the videos and audio that i am presenting you with because if you don't you are doing yourself serious harm.

If after you watch and listen to what i am posting here and you still believe that Bentley is a true disciple of the Lord God Almighty, then let it be known that you are responsible for your own downfall and the blame shall not rest upon the prophets who have tried to warn you and save you from this destruction!!!

This first video exposes Bentleys demonic doctrines and his encounters with demonic entities, it is 11 mins long.
[link to www.youtube.com]

Second video is regarding Bentley telling a story about him laying on an operating table in HEAVEN with 4 so called angels in white coats who rip him open, what he is describing is an Alien abduction and if you do the research you will find that Aliens are in fact demonic entities which are also part of the end times trap, i have researched this subject thoroughly with the discernment of the holy spirit and i can assure you 100% that the coming UFO/Alien agenda is part of the end times deception!!!
[link to livingjourney.wordpress.com]

Audio, Todd Friel Listens to Todd Bentley Kick People In The Face and listen to him saying that the Lord told him to SMASH a crippled women’s legs with a BASEBALL BAT AND KICK HER IN THE FACE!!!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

Todd Bentley "we must believe in THE ANGEL"!
[link to www.youtube.com]

Todd and Sid's Excellent Adventure
[link to www.youtube.com]

Todd Bently Slains Pastors while speaking in false tongues!!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

And now for the finale the icing on the cake so to speak, at
5 mins onwards listen to Bentley tell that he was involved in SATANIC WORSHIP AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF and had 25 demons in him EVEN after converting to Christianity and being born again!!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

Well brothers and sisters this is all i can give you and as i've already said if you still believe in this demon then so be it you have full responsibilty for your fate but remember

YOU WERE WARNED!!!

Marana-tha
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Great post and a timely warning. Thanks for taking the time to inform your fellow believers of this false teacher!

Peace
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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i watched a doc.. can't remember the name, about bob dylan, and how he converted to Christ. it was rodger mcguinn of the byrds!! he didn't preach to bob, he just was the best, most kind person bob had ever met in all of rock and roll. after months and months of being together on tour, bob was convinced. not by rodger's words, but by his actions. i found this true in every walk of life.
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on Sunday our pastor told us there are two types of Christians who are off track:

those who go here there and everywhere seeking the next big thing revival

and those who go about finding fault criticizing and rebuking all the time

Both errors stem from the flesh/ego. You've got a wise and discerning pastor, RB.

I'm glad to see all is going well with you.

--autoimmune
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So are you saying then that the apostle Paul was working in the error of flesh/ego when he rebuked the Galatians?

You are blind to the fact that there is a very real concern for those who are caught up in this deception and i can tell from what you have both written that you have not bothered to watch and listen to the videos and audio that was posted because if you had done you would not be making such a statement.

If a sheep falls into a well wouldn't you rescue it?

There are many sheep who have fallen because of Todd Bentley and if those of us who knew the danger they were in and just stood by and did nothing then what sort of Christians would we be?

Your pastor can say what he likes but i believe he would most definitely want someone to tell him if he was in danger and that service comes from love and concern and not from the flesh/ego as you have stated.

It just may be that there will be people like yourselves who will not accept the truth about Bentley and the obligation that other Believers have to rebuke and warn just as the Apostle Paul did because what we are doing for you is off divine scripture.

So show me in scritpure where it mentions about finding fault criticizing and rebuking all the time and that Both errors stem from the flesh/ego?
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on Sunday our pastor told us there are two types of Christians who are off track:

those who go here there and everywhere seeking the next big thing revival

and those who go about finding fault criticizing and rebuking all the time

Both errors stem from the flesh/ego. You've got a wise and discerning pastor, RB.

I'm glad to see all is going well with you.

--autoimmune
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So are you saying then that the apostle Paul was working in the error of flesh/ego when he rebuked the Galatians?

You are blind to the fact that there is a very real concern for those who are caught up in this deception and i can tell from what you have both written that you have not bothered to watch and listen to the videos and audio that was posted because if you had done you would not be making such a statement.

If a sheep falls into a well wouldn't you rescue it?

There are many sheep who have fallen because of Todd Bentley and if those of us who knew the danger they were in and just stood by and did nothing then what sort of Christians would we be?

Your pastor can say what he likes but i believe he would most definitely want someone to tell him if he was in danger and that service comes from love and concern and not from the flesh/ego as you have stated.

It just may be that there will be people like yourselves who will not accept the truth about Bentley and the obligation that other Believers have to rebuke and warn just as the Apostle Paul did because what we are doing for you is off divine scripture.

So show me in scritpure where it mentions about finding fault criticizing and rebuking all the time and that Both errors stem from the flesh/ego?
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Great post and a timely warning. Thanks for taking the time to inform your fellow believers of this false teacher!

Peace
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Thank you brother, i'm glad that there are many who understand what is going on in Florida but likewise there are just as many who are deceived by the lying works and wonders that are taking place there.

We must remember that satan has supernatural powers and he can heal flesh and perform all sorts of miracles, most people are getting swayed by Todd Bently healing in Jesus name but we should all be aware that Jesus could not heal anyone of his own accord but only when the Father worked through him and whenever he did heal anyone it was due to their FAITH and BELIEF in him, there was also a time when Jesus couldn't heal anyone in a town because there was little or no faith to be found there.

So the question is, is Todd Bentley really a believer in Christ or is he one of those who will come in Christ's name using lying wonders and miracles to decieve the very elect if possible which Bentley has most definitely acheived in doing.

Matthew 7: 15-24

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE WE NOT CAST OUT DEMONS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
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Great post and a timely warning. Thanks for taking the time to inform your fellow believers of this false teacher!

Peace
 Quoting: mathetes


Thank you brother, i'm glad that there are many who understand what is going on in Florida but likewise there are just as many who are deceived by the lying works and wonders that are taking place there.

We must remember that satan has supernatural powers and he can heal flesh and perform all sorts of miracles, most people are getting swayed by Todd Bently healing in Jesus name but we should all be aware that Jesus could not heal anyone of his own accord but only when the Father worked through him and whenever he did heal anyone it was due to their FAITH and BELIEF in him, there was also a time when Jesus couldn't heal anyone in a town because there was little or no faith to be found there.

So the question is, is Todd Bentley really a believer in Christ or is he one of those who will come in Christ's name using lying wonders and miracles to decieve the very elect if possible which Bentley has most definitely acheived in doing.

Matthew 7: 15-24

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE WE NOT CAST OUT DEMONS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
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He doesn't work for me!!! LOL
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No, but he works for your Pop.
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Go for it Christians. No better demonstration of the christian way is when they attack their own for not agreeing to their specific views. Bring back the inquisition I say. Burn the heretics.
One little problem with the OP's argument. It's all based around paul's stated view on the gospel. Paul wasn't a disciple and never met jesus in real life. He had his so called miraculous conversion on the road to Damascus. How come he gets to say what christ really said. He had no idea.
This was the ultimate corruption of the teaching of jesus. It was high jacked by a an ex tax collector, who ruthlessly suppressed all opposition. You guys lost the plot 2000 years ago, and you have been worshipping false doctrine ever since.
No credibility, and thats supported by the holey spirit in me as well.
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Go for it Christians. No better demonstration of the christian way is when they attack their own for not agreeing to their specific views. Bring back the inquisition I say. Burn the heretics.
One little problem with the OP's argument. It's all based around paul's stated view on the gospel. Paul wasn't a disciple and never met jesus in real life. He had his so called miraculous conversion on the road to Damascus. How come he gets to say what christ really said. He had no idea.
This was the ultimate corruption of the teaching of jesus. It was high jacked by a an ex tax collector, who ruthlessly suppressed all opposition. You guys lost the plot 2000 years ago, and you have been worshipping false doctrine ever since.
No credibility, and thats supported by the holey spirit in me as well.
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First i apologise for my double posts, for some reason i'm having problems with the page timing out.

With regards to your post 8358, Paul was a true Apostle of Jesus Christ and was accepted as so by Peter and the other Apostles.

The supernatural events that took place when Paul experienced the Lord's calling was witnessed by several others who were with him and can also be confirmed by the vision that the prophet Ananias had directly from God, so here is plenty of proof of Paul's calling but if you are an unbeliever it won't matter how much proof i give you!

Paul was chosen to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and today millions of Christians are saved by the grace of God because of Paul's devine teachings which if you are a true Christian with the guidence of the holy spirit you will know what he had to say combined with his actions and sufferings were given to him not by man but by the spirit of the Lord God Almighty.

The problem for the unbeliever is that they don't have the free gift of God's grace which when recieved through a humble and sincere heart during repentence enables the true believer to experience the written word of God as it needs to be understood.

With regards to your gloating over Christians attacking their own well that's a matter for the Lord to sort out and be assured your gloating will not go un-noticed, we are mortal, weak and open to error and suggestion if we don't follow the word of God to the letter with regards to discernment of spirits and prophets, there is no malice in trying to save someone's soul!!!
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Todd Bentley’s Pod cast on financial tithing

Here are some of my personal notes regarding this teaching with the minute and second placing in the audio so you can reference it (linked below the notes):

- 5:30 Todd opens this message with a trance he was involved in. In it he sees this “angel of finance” and then he’s taken up to heaven and sees himself in a “treasure room.” In this treasure room he sees himself stuffing his pockets with gold coins and then he asks the Lord “What am I doing?”, and the Lord responds “You’re getting the offering”. It’s odd that in this trance Todd had, he was stuffing these gold coins (the offering) in his pockets. And just a few minutes later in the audio, it’s actually happening to him during the message [starting at 10:50]. It seems that people are actually coming up and putting money into his pockets. He’s actually, personally, literally, GETTING the offering.

- 6:32 Todd mentions something he calls “Sowing in the glory”, where he says that in a time of anointing, that’s when you want to sow…into that anointing. And he says “That’s what I want - I want that” [Can’t buy the anointing, *BUT* I’m sowing into that." This is crazy to me! To think that our financial giving has any impact on the Lord when it comes to His presence! The anointing is the Holy Spirit of God, it’s not some magic power, it’s simply the very presence of God and to think that a little piece of paper with some man’s face on it will influence God into giving us His presence is horrible.

Maybe this is a good practice for Todd, it’s never a bad idea to give, regardless of the time or the “anointing”, but to suggest this as a practice to the fold is sloppy. At the VERY minimum it puts it into the mind of believers that aren’t strong enough in their walk that money is somehow related to the presence of God. Todd knows this is what it sounds like because he mentions it in the middle. What’s the “but” for? But what? Can’t buy the presence of God…but what?? Please, don’t stop, exactly how does any amount of paper of any value somehow trump or get added to the very blood of Jesus….but what??!

- 7:40 He keeps going and again says, “You can’t buy the anointing, BUT…"“. And then says in regards to a story where he is giving to another minister that he was going to, “Sow it into the man…because there’s something in the man that I WANT”. “I don’t give for money, I want the glory”, “I’m reaping a 100 fold of glory realm”
Even though he says “but”, he’s still insinuating that somehow a financial gift to another minister will release the presence of God into our lives. What it really sounds like is that he’s setting up the people to give to him…and that’s exactly what happens. To me, and I may be wrong, but it’s as if he’s telling us this story of how he did something so we would feel comfortable or find some benefit in doing the same to him.

He then mentions that he received a sign of the impartation. God said in regards to gold dust appearing that it was “A sign that you received an impartation…that it showed up.” So apparently we’re getting the success that the transaction went through. We know that we shouldn’t offer up lambs, sheep and goats anymore on top of the altar of God, but a few dollars is an acceptable transaction.

- 9:15 Now Todd begins to speak of another meeting previous to this one and mentions that during the message, “All of the sudden people got up.” and started to give, that there was “No official call for offering." and that one man gave “3 times over the course of the evening.” He then goes on to say that “Everybody was getting money.” It would’ve been great if this meant all the saints were giving to each other, one in abundance was giving to another in lack so that nobody was without…but unfortunately I have the feeling that instead of the giving being horizontal, it was from the seats to the pulpit and back.

- 10:50 Then, if nothing but a lack of taste, it seems that a person is coming up trying to give to Todd and he says, “Use this pocket”. Is this really a demonstration of the Kingdom of God? Do we really expect that when Todd sits down here that Jesus gives him a high five and says “I really liked the pocket part, that was good.” I mean, come on…it’s completely embarrassing to see such a highly honoured man resort to such a tacky level. But this is part of the vision where Todd saw himself stuff the offering in his pocket. He’s literally getting the offering. Imagine that.

- 11:50 Here Todd gives a story of an unbeliever getting born again during a meeting where gold starts to show up. If anything was good out of all this, it would’ve been this.

- 12:14 And again he says, “I’ve got back pockets too.” Still, I’m just imagining Jesus standing in the streets of Capernaum saying “Hey don’t worry, my friends have money bags too”. And if we don’t picture Jesus doing this, why would we do it and let other ministers get away with it?

- 13:55 Now Todd begins to give instructions and a plea to give saying, “People are giving already”, “You may end up giving 2 or 3 times”. And then he says, “The tithe doesn’t bring us into the blessing.” and suggests that maybe we’ve been “Tithing for years but we’re still not blessed.” and insinuates that it’s because we’re stuck at giving our tithe and not stretching to give that offering.

What’s our blessing? Is it a financial gain or is it the freedom and access to live in the Kingdom of God through Jesus’ death and resurrection? Our blessings aren’t given in proportion to our tithe or our offering…it started with God and it ends with God, there is nothing we can give to put God in debt to us.

- 14:50 Now Todd references Acts where there was a “Culture of giving and revival…nor was there anyone AMONG Them who lacked”. This again is not at all what’s going on here. From what I could tell, and I could be wrong and would love to be corrected, but this wasn’t horizontal giving among the saints, it was from the believers to one man/ministry. Instead wouldn’t it be great if we found out the needs of the body and instead of giving our resources to fund programs and salaries that we actually helped the body when it lacked. I’m sure there were people in that meeting that needed help financially, wouldn’t it have been awesome if all the believer’s needs were met before giving to the ministry?

- 15:00 Here again Todd is now instructing the people to “Consider above and beyond your tithe an offering, and sow into the midst of this glory realm…there’s something happening today.” To me, it seems that he simply sets up the people with these stories and experiences only to give them a reference when it’s time to give to him. If that’s not what it is, that’s exactly what it sounds like to everybody else…the only people who buy (pardon the pun) into it are the ones that actually believe that they can purchase the Kingdom of God.

- 15:28 Now Todd gets into classic TBN mode, “It may be that $1000 seed that you need to sow this morning. It may be that $500 seed that you need to sow this morning.” “Go above and beyond your tithe.”

- 15:53 More…“I’m doing the offering right in the midst of my message and at any moment during the message you want to keep giving, you just keep coming…I’ve got lots more pockets.

- 16:08 Blah, blah blah…“I’m just telling you right now that God wants to bring a realm of financial breakthrough and blessing here in this place, in this church”

- 16:30 Now the classic…“We can take credit card, but don’t be empty handed. I think this is a realm in which you need to get involved, somewhere or another, you need to make a demand on heaven…” To think that any man of God would instruct the children of God to borrow from the world and go into debt to give into God’s Kingdom is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Again, I heard this all the time in the Word of Faith camp, and I still hear it other places but it just drives me through the roof. PEOPLE OF GOD, please don’t fall for this. It’s like God telling the people of Israel to go back into Egypt and ask the Pharaoh if they could borrow some money to give towards the construction of the gold cherubim that sit on top of the ark of the covenant because they ran out of gold. It’s not necessary or even sane to think God would want us to go into debt to give any kind of gift to Him. We’ve stepped out of bondage into freedom, why would we want to go back?

- 17:15 Again with the pockets… “This pocket here”

- 17:30 “We’ve got the treasure room open this morning. We’re not just receiving an offering right now. All morning is an offering. The treasure room is open and you’re just sowing, and giving, go above and beyond, let’s give radically” “There’s something of God’s glory being released right now in the realm of finances and giving, we need to get involved.”

- 18:08 More suggestions in hearing God for the giving opportunity.. “Be open to God speaking to you a second time and say ‘I want you to sow again’", “That one man gave 3 times, according to what the Spirit of God told him, $300,000 the next day, he said ‘This stuff works’, it showed up out of nowhere.”

- 19:20 “Let’s keep the baskets here because I want people to just give and give and give again. And just have that opportunity to bring your….”

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This also has to be seen to be believed, it's pt 1 of the operating table in heaven miracle lol.

Todd Bentley tells how during a conference he was attending the Lord Opened up a PORTAL (aren't portals used by satanist's?) and a pillar of fire right in front of him and told him to get into it.

He say's he argued with the Lord because no one could see this portal and he would look a fool in front of everyone but he did it anyway, as soon as he gets into this portal he said his body went into convulsions and he then goes up through the Church roof in the pillar of fire and lands on an operating table in heaven.
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Todd Bentley reminds me of a demon...making fun of gullible christians....
that's the first thing I felt.
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did he bring fire down from heaven
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QUOTING one of the posters on this thread.

"Go for it Christians. No better demonstration of the christian way is when they attack their own for not agreeing to their specific views. Bring back the inquisition I say. Burn the heretics . . ."

LET IT KNOWN RIGHT NOW that we, as Christians, are not attacking "one of our own."

Tobb Bently and his cronnies,[assistants] are NOT "one of our own."

Tobb Bentely is a DECEIVER, a Warlock, a Husker of the first degree.

Humbly, I will add, I've been blessed to have had 40 years of experience and Bible Study as a Christian. TRUTH in found in the SCRIPTUPES. The Bentely "revival" is about as far from Gods Word as one can get.

Tobb Bently is into Body Mutilation from the dark side.

It's a fact that many well meaning . . . seeking people attend his revivals. Some may be "healed", only to be futher deceived. I feel sad for the Christians who have been led down a rabbit hole by Bentelys garbage.

BEWARE!!!! In Jesus HOLY Name . . . stay seperate from all corrupt fleshly manifestations.
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This holy revival is spreading and becoming stronger. It will encompass the whole world because it is of God, and therefore CANNOT be stopped. God bless Todd Bentley! Praised be Jesus!
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He doesn't work for me!!! LOL


No, but he works for your Pop.
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Nice user ID, I'm jealous!!!!!!
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This holy revival is spreading and becoming stronger.
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so is satan's stranglehold on the people of this earth.
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TODD BENTLEY CAUGHT INFECTING PEOPLE WITH SPIRITUAL DISEASES!

Todd Bentley carries a vile spiritual disease which can infect you and corrupt you eternally if you so choose to follow after his false gospels, false miracles and false revelations. Todd Bentley is one of the most vile and perverted blasphemous heretics that has ever made himself known publicly in the last 2000 years.

We are living in a terrible time, put on the whole armour of God through the sound doctrines of the Bible so that you may stand in this evil day against all that would come to deceive you away from the truth into doctrines of devils and fables.

When Todd Bentley was younger he was convicted and imprisoned for sexual molestation of a 7 year old boy. Now in his later years he has moved to spiritual pedophila and to an occult mishmash of Christian/Hindu/New Age gospel. Many simple minded and sensual people are being seduced into his spiritual molestations.

* WARNING: Do not be deceived, RUN from Todd Bentley and his false seductive claims and do not even think to let him put his hands upon you or GOD FORBID may you not be stupid enough to actually allow his infected self to blow upon or touch your own innocent children.

Despite the clear statements and the warnings of Jesus in Matt 24:23-26, Todd Bentley claims Jesus Christ Himself came bodily “in the natural”, down from heaven and “opened his bedroom door and sat on his bed”. The bed even went “creek” as Jesus sat down upon it according to Todd Bentley.

“thats how tangible it was, in the natural…. he took His hand and put it over my face”.

Bentley claims that Jesus then physically touched him on his mouth and Todd smelled Jesus and he claims Jesus “smelled like vanilla”

TODD BENTLEY claims the Lord Himself spoke to Todd and said these exact words:

“you are pure in heart, there is nothing in your heart that is not pure, you totally love me and totally want me”

Source: A boastful Todd Bentley - After the Heart of God, taken from footage of “The Jesus Culture Conference:

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Bentley repeatedly speaks about 1948 and constantly repeats statements supporting the teachings and ministry of William Branham, a man who is widely known to have preached that the doctrine of the Trinity “is a doctrine of demons”.

Information re: WILLIAM BRANHAM false faith healer and stated mentor for many of the people on this link including Todd Bentley.
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Todd Bentley claims that a spirit known as “EMMA” follows him around and speaks and does things through him. Bentley claims this is the same spirit who was with William Branham years ago.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man CHRIST Jesus

EMMA IS NOT OF THE TRUE GOD, NOT OF HIS GOSPEL, HIS ONLY REVELATION THE HOLY BIBLE. There are many false gods, false gospels and false christs and he who brings these false things to you even if he be an angel from heaven is to be ACCURSED by you.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we (the apostles) have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

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Angelic Hosts by Todd Bentley

Today I want to focus the teaching on the angelic realm and how you can release angels to fulfill God's word. Recently, I had several daily visitations of angels which lasted for weeks. Since the beginning of this year I've also sensed an increase in the presence of angels in our meetings. Many others have reported to me of increase of spiritual activity in their lives too.

During a meeting in Salt Lake city, I had a vision in which a hole opened up in heaven and I saw an open-eye vision of angels of God ascending into heaven and descending into the service, bringing eyes and wings (the seer anointing). The Lord spoke to me about the increase of the prophetic and of angelic activity in America. We're in need of reinforcements in the Western Church to neutralize the demonic assignments and backlash that is causing pastors and leaders to burn out. I believe that this message will prophetically call forth reinforcements in the angelic realm and bring healing to many who are under attack.

OPENING OUR EYES TO THE ANGELIC REALM



God also wants to reopen the spiritual realm to those who have at one time had angelic encounters but were afraid because they didn't understand that level of prophetic revelation. Some of you have had frequent heavenly experiences but didn't know who to tell or what to do with it. Others have been shut down and have been afraid to speak about prophetic encounters. Today, in the spirit, God wants to release a new freedom to experience and talk about supernatural encounters.

It's OK to have visitations of the Lord. It's OK to have visions, trances and encounters with angels. Today you'll learn about the activity of angels and their place in the Scripture. As a result, you are going to come under the anointing that God wants to put on our lives to walk in the supernatural on a daily basis. God wants to put an anointing on us to release signs and wonders, not just physical healing and miracles. He wants our lives to be prophetic messages which carry supernatural substance. I want to pray for you before I continue:

First, I'm going to describe different angels and some experiences I have had with these beings. At times I've had visitations from a healing angel like the one which stirred the waters at the pool of Bethesda. I've also had an angel by the name of Revelation visit me. This angel came to me looking like a pillar of light-its personality is like Wisdom in the book of Proverbs. Every time this angel has come to me, he has come like a child. Although innocent like a child, this angel possessed strength, authority and power. At times, it will actually come like the Spirit of truth and bring me into different visions and prophetic experiences. Now, you need to realize that I didn't go looking for an angel. I didn't say, "Hey angels, come to my house."

When I'm aware of the activity and ministry of angels, I become more aware of the supernatural, and it becomes easy to release all the miracles, healings and other stuff that God wants to do.

Our world has an increased interest in the supernatural and in angels. Think about it-how many different angels do we have out there? They've got the fat chubby little angels and angels with big wings. You can buy all kinds of angel ornaments and angel pictures in the store and go home and watch the show Touched By An Angel on TV. Even though I've never seen an angel that has ever looked anything like the world portrays, it is interesting that people are becoming extremely interested in these beings. I believe it is time that we, the church, begin to talk about, and portray the true, God-given angelic realm.

WHAT ANGELS LOOK LIKE



By now you may be wondering what angels really look like. Well, I've had angels come as shimmering pillars of light with such brightness about their person that I couldn't make out the details. I had another angel come to me looking like he was about 6' 4" tall with 24" biceps. He was cut with rippling muscles and wore a golden sash about his waist. He had blond, shoulder-length hair and blue eyes-the hunk of hunks. We are talking better than Fabio, OK. Another time I had a similar-looking angel come to me-he was young and in his early twenties. I said, "God is that like me in the spirit?" He said, "No Son, it's an angel."



What about the appearance of angels in the bible? Well, the bible tells us that the angel Gabriel looked like a man. Yes, many angelic visitors look like men. I once had an angelic visitation, I believe, in a Mac's convenience store. I had told these guys in the store about Jesus once before-they were laughing, mocking, scoffing, drug addicts. One guy was an atheist. One of them, an atheist, standing with his buddies, began to scoff at me saying, "Look, it's the guy who came in here last week telling me about Jesus. What do you guys think about Jesus?" They were all drunk, stoned or smoking cigarettes, wearing AC/DC or Motley Crew T-shirts: "We don't believe in angels and God and all that crazy stuff and blah blah blah." Nothing would have convinced these hardened skeptics besides the power of God.

Suddenly, I fell under the power in the convenience store and, on all fours, roared like a lion. Then the shop clerk ran with fear and dived behind the counter with the two dope heads right behind him. By now, the entire atmosphere had changed. Then the atheist gets up, points his finger at me, and says, "Is that your God?" At that moment, this dirty bum comes walking into the store with two bags of bottles or something, puts them up on the counter and says, "You guys, listen to what these guys are telling you. Everything these guys are telling you is true." He gets his money and walks out of the store.

You can read the rest on the link below, it is quite a long interesting read into the fantasy world of Todd Bentley the heretic!!

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Sorry typo link, here's the right one.
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There is so much overwhleming evidence exposing Todd Bentley for the fraud and liar that he is that anyone who fails to take the trouble to watch and listen to the information provided are in grave danger, especially by continuing to support this demonic revival and those operating it.

You have an obligation to test the spirits and then discern whether they are from the living God or from satan the deceiver, careful observation of the videos and audios provided will clearly define where this man is coming from!!!
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