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Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
Interestingly if you go to g-maps, you find time stamped images of a small plane without a wing or right hand side engine past holding area C5 on the runway at

35.546482, 139.800199



https://imgur.com/a/KHLilBg





you can scroll through the imgur images


the map is stamped all over as 2023 in the watermark.



I will upload some more pics.


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https://imgur.com/a/FcPXf2J



Hang on - these don't include the watermarks for 2023
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OK so here is a link to the map live - click the view for the satellite layer - then pull out and notice the time stamp 2023 all over the map:

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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
They stitch those pictures together so it's expected to happen some.
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https://imgur.com/a/hpXmApv


OK here you can see 2023 watermarks.


I find it strange there is a broken plane at/ past C5 holding - where the coast guard plane would have been re the JA516 crash incident - all broken - on a map stamped 2023.
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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
They stitch those pictures together so it's expected to happen some.
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Yes - I looked for stitching - couldn't find stitching with say 2024 - and there are other "broken" looking planes there.



I appreciate you can get image interference and shadow - I have seen it on roads - where a car "was" so to speak - but when you zoom in you can see a broken wing on the ground on the right hand side - a damaged fuselage twisted to the right away from the left wing...
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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
The 2023 timestamp of an image of a broken little plane on the runway past where the Bombadier Dash JA722A was meant to hold at C5 is kind of more than a coincidence or premonitory in some respects.

In addition - a NOTAM was issued at Christmas, which apparently says none of the lights were working at the holding areas - where planes wait before being allowed on the runway.

The lights are red while you wait for permission to et on the runway - if they turn off or change before you have permission you must ask the tower for permission and not go.


However - if it is dark and you are told to go to your holding line and there are no lights working - you might keep going until you see a strip of lights - like at the runway - I don't know if that is feasible or realistic or not.


Here is the NOTAM:


Haneda Japan Airlines Runway 34R Crash

"Meanwhile, another piece of information has surfaced about the possibility that the red lights that warn taxiing aircraft to stop short of runway 34R were out of order at the time of the incident. A report by the BBC mentioned it, and Pete Muntean, a CNN correspondent, tweeted about the NOTAM related to the lights."


the tweet image of the notam:


[link to twitter.com (secure)]


highlighting C1 to C14 Stop-Bar Light/s



referenced from this article:
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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
It would be reasonable to presume that Haneda has a ground sensor system, such as the ASDE-X system used in the US - airport surface detection equipment: this is a radar system which geolocates everything at the airport - so if a plane or other vehicle is on a runway it will show up to air traffic control - who would, in turn, know if it should be there or not at any given time.


If they don't, then just as many people are asking or wondering - how did JA722A manage to sit on the runway for 45-50 seconds when JAL516 was coming in to land?


As it was sitting there - did nobody see it? Did none of the alleged 6 people on board notice or realise where they were?



I say alleged, because initial reports said they were missing. It later said they had died in the crash but not a lot of attention has been given to them. I haven't seen them named anywhere for example - and so because of the circumstance - I have to wonder if people were in a plane parked up on an international runway - and why initial reports said they were missing. That almost implies they weren't on the plane they were supposed to have been on.



So, later - when they said the pilot was injured, I wondered if it was because he was tracked down for parking the plane there - and maybe bumping off the other 5 to do so - and got beaten up for it.



Of course, I realised this was unlikely and most probably incorrect deduction.
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Here is the notam X without havin to clicky the linky:



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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
It would be reasonable to presume that Haneda has a ground sensor system, such as the ASDE-X system used in the US - airport surface detection equipment: this is a radar system which geolocates everything at the airport - so if a plane or other vehicle is on a runway it will show up to air traffic control - who would, in turn, know if it should be there or not at any given time.


If they don't, then just as many people are asking or wondering - how did JA722A manage to sit on the runway for 45-50 seconds when JAL516 was coming in to land?


As it was sitting there - did nobody see it? Did none of the alleged 6 people on board notice or realise where they were?



I say alleged, because initial reports said they were missing. It later said they had died in the crash but not a lot of attention has been given to them. I haven't seen them named anywhere for example - and so because of the circumstance - I have to wonder if people were in a plane parked up on an international runway - and why initial reports said they were missing. That almost implies they weren't on the plane they were supposed to have been on.



So, later - when they said the pilot was injured, I wondered if it was because he was tracked down for parking the plane there - and maybe bumping off the other 5 to do so - and got beaten up for it.



Of course, I realised this was unlikely and most probably incorrect deduction.
 Quoting: HairyBarbarian



Well, the coast guard plane pilot is saying he had permission to get on the runway and Haneda ATC is saying he didn't.



I have found online written versions of the transcript of 4 or so minutes of ATC communications (slight variations between them) - but only snippets of audio, so this isn't clear.


Either way - why sit on the runway all that time? Over 45 seconds...


Well we can't speculate too much based on reported coverage of what is happening behind the scenes as it may not be accurate.



We can look at the transcript versions though I guess.
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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
Well, if there were shenanigans in line with some kind of planned event - I guess we do need to take a look at the transcript pieces we have been given.

First:


the planes included in the few minutes of transcript are as follows:



JAL516: The JAL jet which hit JA722A (which was on the runway 34R - coast guard plane) number 1 in the queue to land. (burnt up on runway after successful evacuation)



JA722A: The Coast Guard aircraft on runway 34R (reason to be determined) - confirmed would wait at holding point C5 prior to continuing onto runway 34R and waiting there. number 1 in queue to take off (pilot injured in hospital 5 passengers confirmed deceased after initial determination they were missing.)





JAL166: JAL jet arriving at Haneda Airport after 516 - it is second in the queue to land - "number 2".



DAL276: A jet departing from Haneda Airport given permission to wait at holding point C1 Number 3 in queue to take off


JAL179: A jet departing from Haneda Airport after DAL276 - permitted to taxi to holding point C1 number 2 in queue to take off






So two planes in the air coming in to land on runway 34R and three planes queuing to depart the airport from the same runway 34R.


Numbers are assigned in the queue - no 1 for first plane to land number 2 for next in the queue to land.


I am interested to see that departures also get called number 1 and number 2 and number 3 and wonder if this ever creates any confusion.

I also notice that numbers in the queue to take off don't get assigned in the order in which they are given permission to taxi to their gates: two planes are heading to C1 holding: the first to contact the tower however gets position 3 and the next one to contact the tower gets position 2 - so the queue must be such that the plane taxiing in after the first plane can get in front of it in the queue for take off.


Number 1 in the queue to take off is the Coast Guard plane which accidentally went past holding point C5 and waited on the runway. JA722A
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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
OK, before we get to the transcript I just want to say a few things:


I am going to be looking at the transcript, whilst bearing in mind that this was a pre-planned event for a reason: you are welcome to believe otherwise, but if we spring board from the fact the lights were out for the holding areas, including C5 and the map at C5 showed a smashed crashed plane dated 2023, then I feel it is sufficient reason to look at the transcript in such a way.


I am also bearing in mind the strong ties between civilian air traffic and air traffic control and the military and its personnel.


What I am saying is: if a pilot was involved - he might take coded queues (edit - did I say queues? I meant cues...) which might appear normal otherwise.


I find it interesting re breaking news about North Korea attacking South Korea in the midst of this - as I was going to mention the stabbing in the neck of Lee Jae-Myung just prior to this Haneda event.

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Re: Haneda Airport Runway 34R pics timestamp 2023 Holding C5
The transcript begins like this: I will do it in sections but leave nothing out:


---
17:43:02

JAL516 : Tokyo TOWER JAL516 spot18


Tokyo TOWER : JAL516 Tokyo TOWER good evening RUNWAY 34R continue approach wind 320/7, we have departure.

17:43:12

JAL516 JAL516 continue approach 34R.

---


OK, so at 5.43.02pm (assuming this is Haneda time) the incoming flight contacts the tower at Haneda.

The Tokyo tower responds and says continue approach on runway 34R the wind direction is 320 degrees at 7 knots. They then say: "we have departure".



The words "we have departure" infer either that there will be a departure happening now before landing - or perhaps after landing: if the departure is to be after landing - then why say it to this plane as departures happen all the time from busy runways being used for departures and landings.


If there is a pre-planned event "we have departure" could infer: we have the departing plane in position (out of position) - as in the pre-planned event is ready to go.


At this point however, none of the three departing planes have been given permission to taxi to their holding points - so perhaps there is a plane departing in real time that isn't included in this transcript.
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Aviation jargon

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