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3 men found dead outside house where they gathered to watch a Kansas City Chiefs game- what happened?

 
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How many people have experimented with all three drugs at the same time?

They might have discovered an incompatible drug interaction triggered by the cold.

Were they all jabbed?
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This is why no one should be doing drugs.

What is happening in Portland should be a wake up call for everyone.
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Highly odd for all three victims to OD simultaneously.

unless the stuff was much more potent than they knew.


If drugs themselves are nothing sinister to you, they are to thinking people.
 Quoting: beeches



I'm not sure where alcohol+cocaine+fentanyl +THC is NOT considered potent.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Did they ALL take all those drugs in those amounts knowingly?


you were there, spill!
 Quoting: beeches


From what I understand these guys have all been doing drugs together since high school. One of them has a couple past possession charges. Supposedly Jordan Willis likes to alter some of the drugs (per local news interviews). So my guess he laced it with a bit too much, and passed out in the cold.. Play stupid games..you win stupid prizes.
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"lacing it a bit too much" with illegal drugs is a crime.


You live only a few miles away.

Handing out drugs isn't a crime to you.

The only people I know who blame the users
are other users who think they would have handled the drugs better.

"Oh yeah, that was stupid and a waste of good ..... I would have cut it with some ...... and been...... for days...



Others feel the tragedy of lives lost. Especially family members.

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How many people have experimented with all three drugs at the same time?

They might have discovered an incompatible drug interaction triggered by the cold.

Were they all jabbed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79486581


Don't know.

Could be a factor.
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Update** The three men though pictured in KC fan uniforms did not meet to watch the Game, they gathered to play video games, B.S. and to get High. The living person has been named as "The Chemist" due to the fact he makes drugs. (i am thinking the level of Bath salts). This has been made known last 48 hours 2/2/24
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Addiction patients are known to exhibit the conspicuous symptom of excessive sweating, particularly after consuming the addictive substance.

This can be attributed to the sudden activation of the body’s heating mechanism, which then leads to the execution of the counter-heating process, which principally involves the release of salty fluid from the pores of the skin.

So, even when the weather is cold, these patients will still sweat profusely because their bodies are no longer capable of regulating the process.
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Update** The three men though pictured in KC fan uniforms did not meet to watch the Game, they gathered to play video games, B.S. and to get High. The living person has been named as "The Chemist" due to the fact he makes drugs. (i am thinking the level of Bath salts). This has been made known last 48 hours 2/2/24
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Wonder how many times the chemist got up to pee, unless he also had a bucket in his bedroom.

Sounds like a very savory guy. Wonder where his 2 dogs, Sadie and Daisy are,

now that he checked into rehab.
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Re: 3 men found dead outside house where they gathered to watch a Kansas City Chiefs game- what happened?
Nothing sinister. Just drug overdoses.
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Highly odd for all three victims to OD simultaneously.

unless the stuff was much more potent than they knew.


If drugs themselves are nothing sinister to you, they are to thinking people.
 Quoting: beeches


One can only speculate.

He could have given them exactly what they asked for. The three friends could have taken something prior that interacted with what the host provided. We don't know and may never know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


From what we know so far, at the bare minimum:

1. The "Chemist" is a known drug dealer [CRIME]

2. Making custom drugs combos (fake compounding Pharmacist) [CRIME]

3. Provided drugs causing death (Murder) [CRIME]

4. Whether requested by the victims or not, one does not
provide death inducing poison to anyone. (Kevorkian?) [CRIME]

Looks pretty sinister to me.

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Nothing sinister. Just drug overdoses.
 Quoting: GemKline


Highly odd for all three victims to OD simultaneously.

unless the stuff was much more potent than they knew.


If drugs themselves are nothing sinister to you, they are to thinking people.
 Quoting: beeches


One can only speculate.

He could have given them exactly what they asked for. The three friends could have taken something prior that interacted with what the host provided. We don't know and may never know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


From what we know so far, at the bare minimum:

1. The "Chemist" is a known drug dealer [CRIME]

2. Making custom drugs combos (fake compounding Pharmacist) [CRIME]

3. Provided drugs causing death (Murder) [CRIME]

4. Whether requested by the victims or not, one does not
provide death inducing poison to anyone. (Kevorkian?) [CRIME]

Looks pretty sinister to me.

:bf134a:
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
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The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


maybe the fifth guy is the one who brings the drugs to the chemist for mixing. So the scientist does not have to mingle on the streets.

He likely would not take his own wares.
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This is why no one should be doing drugs.

What is happening in Portland should be a wake up call for everyone.
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Because I got high


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I'm not sure where alcohol+cocaine+fentanyl +THC is NOT considered potent.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Did they ALL take all those drugs in those amounts knowingly?


you were there, spill!
 Quoting: beeches


From what I understand these guys have all been doing drugs together since high school. One of them has a couple past possession charges. Supposedly Jordan Willis likes to alter some of the drugs (per local news interviews). So my guess he laced it with a bit too much, and passed out in the cold.. Play stupid games..you win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


"lacing it a bit too much" with illegal drugs is a crime.


You live only a few miles away.

Handing out drugs isn't a crime to you.

The only people I know who blame the users
are other users who think they would have handled the drugs better.

"Oh yeah, that was stupid and a waste of good ..... I would have cut it with some ...... and been...... for days...



Others feel the tragedy of lives lost. Especially family members.
 Quoting: beeches


Yeah its a crime--- the whole event was a crime for all parties involved... from possessing and using Cocaine and Fentanyl. These people have been doing this shit of "lets get together for drug and alochol night with Jordan" for almost 20 years. Again, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
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Update** The three men though pictured in KC fan uniforms did not meet to watch the Game, they gathered to play video games, B.S. and to get High. The living person has been named as "The Chemist" due to the fact he makes drugs. (i am thinking the level of Bath salts). This has been made known last 48 hours 2/2/24
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86517900




Wonder how many times the chemist got up to pee, unless he also had a bucket in his bedroom.

Sounds like a very savory guy. Wonder where his 2 dogs, Sadie and Daisy are,

now that he checked into rehab.
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Probably been with his Dad ever since this all started. Apparently the dogs have been taken over there on a regular basis for these "Meet ups".
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Also, new news nation, an anonymous family member also indicated the fentanyl concentration was "well beyond the lethal limit"
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The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


maybe the fifth guy is the one who brings the drugs to the chemist for mixing. So the scientist does not have to mingle on the streets.

He likely would not take his own wares.
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He was probably just another guy buying or partaking in drugs. You're really overthinking this.

The three guys had fentanyl in their system. They nodded off outside. That's what strong opiates and it's analogs make people do. As far as we know they could have already taken fentanyl before arriving at that residence, or even gave some product to the homeowner themselves. Without any evidence it's all speculation.
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Highly odd for all three victims to OD simultaneously.

unless the stuff was much more potent than they knew.


If drugs themselves are nothing sinister to you, they are to thinking people.
 Quoting: beeches


One can only speculate.

He could have given them exactly what they asked for. The three friends could have taken something prior that interacted with what the host provided. We don't know and may never know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


From what we know so far, at the bare minimum:

1. The "Chemist" is a known drug dealer [CRIME]

2. Making custom drugs combos (fake compounding Pharmacist) [CRIME]

3. Provided drugs causing death (Murder) [CRIME]

4. Whether requested by the victims or not, one does not
provide death inducing poison to anyone. (Kevorkian?) [CRIME]

Looks pretty sinister to me.

bf134a
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


Yes because Jordan the chemist might have taken the same substances but he passed out indoors and woke up alive. Did they test his blood? The three other passed out in the cold outside and froze to death before they could wake up.
The question is why did they go outside instead of staying in.
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One can only speculate.

He could have given them exactly what they asked for. The three friends could have taken something prior that interacted with what the host provided. We don't know and may never know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


From what we know so far, at the bare minimum:

1. The "Chemist" is a known drug dealer [CRIME]

2. Making custom drugs combos (fake compounding Pharmacist) [CRIME]

3. Provided drugs causing death (Murder) [CRIME]

4. Whether requested by the victims or not, one does not
provide death inducing poison to anyone. (Kevorkian?) [CRIME]

Looks pretty sinister to me.

bf134a
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


Yes because Jordan the chemist might have taken the same substances but he passed out indoors and woke up alive. Did they test his blood? The three other passed out in the cold outside and froze to death before they could wake up.
The question is why did they go outside instead of staying in.
J
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Well a good question is when did that specifically happen. Because it wasnt super cold yet during this time. We had a major snow event here on Mon/tues AM Jan 8-9th. 6-10" of snow fell Mon night- tues AM. Temps were in upper 30's during day on Sunday 1/7 went down to around 32F that night. It was the same temps on Monday 1/8, because all of the falling snow was melting until it went below feezing late that evening of Monday 1/8 (as the snow really started to come down). Then it finally went down into the mid/upper 20s late on Tues. I just looked at my own personal home weather station for those numbers.

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From what we know so far, at the bare minimum:

1. The "Chemist" is a known drug dealer [CRIME]

2. Making custom drugs combos (fake compounding Pharmacist) [CRIME]

3. Provided drugs causing death (Murder) [CRIME]

4. Whether requested by the victims or not, one does not
provide death inducing poison to anyone. (Kevorkian?) [CRIME]

Looks pretty sinister to me.

bf134a
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


Yes because Jordan the chemist might have taken the same substances but he passed out indoors and woke up alive. Did they test his blood? The three other passed out in the cold outside and froze to death before they could wake up.
The question is why did they go outside instead of staying in.
J
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Well a good question is when did that specifically happen. Because it wasnt super cold yet during this time. We had a major snow event here on Mon/tues AM Jan 8-9th. 6-10" of snow fell Mon night- tues AM. Temps were in upper 30's during day on Sunday 1/7 went down to around 32F that night. It was the same temps on Monday 1/8, because all of the falling snow was melting until it went below feezing late that evening of Monday 1/8 (as the snow really started to come down). Then it finally went down into the mid/upper 20s late on Tues. I just looked at my own personal home weather station for those numbers.
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Hypothermia is probably what first killed them, then the dead bodies froze as temps dropped below freezing.

Hypothermia is a medical emergency that occurs when your body loses heat faster than it can produce heat, causing a dangerously low body temperature. Normal body temperature is around 98.6 F (37 C). Hypothermia (hi-poe-THUR-me-uh) occurs as your body temperature falls below 95 F (35 C).

When your body temperature drops, your heart, nervous system and other organs can't work normally. Left untreated, hypothermia can lead to complete failure of your heart and respiratory system and eventually to death.

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The three amigos went over there of their own volition to acquire drugs. One could argue that it wasn't the drugs but the cold that killed them, or more succinctly, their own stupidity.

Yes, dealing drugs is a criminal offense, but that doesn't necessarily mean "the chemist" will be charged for their deaths.

Besides, we don't know what was already in their systems upon arrival, but we do know that a fifth party who left prior to them succumbing to freezing temperatures outside is still alive and well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86671044


Yes because Jordan the chemist might have taken the same substances but he passed out indoors and woke up alive. Did they test his blood? The three other passed out in the cold outside and froze to death before they could wake up.
The question is why did they go outside instead of staying in.
J
 Quoting: 936432979


Well a good question is when did that specifically happen. Because it wasnt super cold yet during this time. We had a major snow event here on Mon/tues AM Jan 8-9th. 6-10" of snow fell Mon night- tues AM. Temps were in upper 30's during day on Sunday 1/7 went down to around 32F that night. It was the same temps on Monday 1/8, because all of the falling snow was melting until it went below feezing late that evening of Monday 1/8 (as the snow really started to come down). Then it finally went down into the mid/upper 20s late on Tues. I just looked at my own personal home weather station for those numbers.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Hypothermia is probably what first killed them, then the dead bodies froze as temps dropped below freezing.

Hypothermia is a medical emergency that occurs when your body loses heat faster than it can produce heat, causing a dangerously low body temperature. Normal body temperature is around 98.6 F (37 C). Hypothermia (hi-poe-THUR-me-uh) occurs as your body temperature falls below 95 F (35 C).

When your body temperature drops, your heart, nervous system and other organs can't work normally. Left untreated, hypothermia can lead to complete failure of your heart and respiratory system and eventually to death.

[link to www.mayoclinic.org (secure)]
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And that does make a lot more sense when you look at it that way and with those temps. Because living in the midwest for 13 years, in the upper 30s in January is moderate weather. I'm personally outside in short sleeves in those temps (as opposed to the biterly biting cold later that week). I could see them sitting outside and not realizing at the time that it would be a bad idea if they passed out. Still leaves a lot of questions for Jordan who unless he passed out for 2 days, had to have seen their cars our front if he never looked into the backyard.

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To answer a question a few pages back regarding the dogs.
The chemist scientist host was going to be moving. He dropped his dogs off at his parents' place, which he did frequently. This would help with the packing but also partying. That is why he was able to sleep for 2 days. Because his parents had the dogs.
Supposedly.
This is from someone who lived in that neighborhood on tiktok.
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They should have worn their Kelce '87' winter jackets.


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vid here.
Could Host be charged with felony murder?

There is no indication at this point that freezing was the cause of death, rather than what happened afterward.
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To answer a question a few pages back regarding the dogs.
The chemist scientist host was going to be moving. He dropped his dogs off at his parents' place, which he did frequently. This would help with the packing but also partying. That is why he was able to sleep for 2 days. Because his parents had the dogs.
Supposedly.
This is from someone who lived in that neighborhood on tiktok.
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the owner of the house killed them. calling it now
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This article quotes relatives after the tox stuff came out.


according to them, the police are saying it remains an open investigation at this time.
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The drugs probably caused them to feel too hot and overheated so they went outside to cool off. Otherwise I don’t know why they would have gone outside.
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The only motive for the police to be such lazy pricks is the 4th and or 5th man have connections or influence in some way that threatens someone(s) high up in the local police force.

With this much family and outside pressure they would be investigating this hard by now.
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Freemasons, maybe.
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I think you mean Jesuits
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The only motive for the police to be such lazy pricks is the 4th and or 5th man have connections or influence in some way that threatens someone(s) high up in the local police force.

With this much family and outside pressure they would be investigating this hard by now.
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Freemasons, maybe.
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I think you mean Jesuits
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We both mean what we say.... the group you name likes itsdarkness, too.
I go past a Freemason lodge a couple times a week. The parking area is underground (old old store of some kind, had delivery in the basement).
The windows are bricked over.

A somber unknown presense.

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The only motive for the police to be such lazy pricks is the 4th and or 5th man have connections or influence in some way that threatens someone(s) high up in the local police force.

With this much family and outside pressure they would be investigating this hard by now.
 Quoting: BeelzeBob


Freemasons, maybe.
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I think you mean Jesuits
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We both mean what we say.... the group you name likes itsdarkness, too.
I go past a Freemason lodge a couple times a week. The parking area is underground (old old store of some kind, had delivery in the basement).
The windows are bricked over.

A somber unknown presense.
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Sure as hell wasn't Freemasons covering up ritual priest sexual abuse of congregation minors the past 300 years in North America.
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