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US Commercial Shipping Industry has Collapsed - EXPORTS Controlled by the US are DEAD

 
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This is a very big deal.

At the beginning of 2023 China had 1,749 large Ocean going Commercial Vessels under construction.

The United States had 5.

Is this building back better?

Or Building nothing, and destorying everything!??!!?!?!?!

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I think this is a very big deal.

You build ships if you plan to export products.

do we not intend to export anything?

Is outgoing Trade dead??????
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This is indeed a big deal. Thank you.
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I never knew the USA to be a big ship builder...S Korea, Phillipines, PRC..... USA? no
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the part about "fallout for national security could follow"

The US Navy is the largest in the world - but they do not have the capacity to supply a world war -

without US Commercial ships under US Flags and Crews, we are at the mercy of foreign shipping comapnies to supply any sizable front.

This is part of the collapse.

Logistics win wars.

There will be no world war threepeat without shipping.
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This is because there are almost NO US-flagged commercial shipping vessels, and there haven’t been for a very long time. This is because, compared to other countries, the costs and regulations involved with registering a ship in the US is extremely prohibitive. So commercial shippers simply register them somewhere else, like Liberia.
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US flagged cargo vessels went the way of the dinosaur a long time ago, due to the Jones act.

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This is because there are almost NO US-flagged commercial shipping vessels, and there haven’t been for a very long time. This is because, compared to other countries, the costs and regulations involved with registering a ship in the US is extremely prohibitive. So commercial shippers simply register them somewhere else, like Liberia.
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THIS
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U.S trucking companies are collapsing at record numbers too.


Also biden's administration wants to reclassify employment status which will kill owner operators like California's ab5 law.



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I do realize and understand the shipping industry has been dead - both building and sailing - a long long time.

but the point is - the fallout, now, on the cusp of World Meat War 3 - we are screwed.

building ships isnt something "Rosario the Riveter" fresh across the border will make up the difference to turn the tide.
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I think this is a very big deal.

You build ships if you plan to export products.

do we not intend to export anything?

Is outgoing Trade dead??????
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Yes because only made in America ships can float.
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This is a very big deal.

At the beginning of 2023 China had 1,749 large Ocean going Commercial Vessels under construction.

The United States had 5.

Is this building back better?

Or Building nothing, and destorying everything!??!!?!?!?!

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]
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Comparing ship building between the US and China is apples and oranges. Material cost and labor cost are not even close. You could probably build several hundred ships in China versus the cost of 1 ship in the US. Not even counting safety costs and insurance coverage required in the US.

Many ships built in the US are flagged as Panamanian or some other country just for insurance coverage.
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"Building ships is bad for the climate."

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the part about "fallout for national security could follow"

The US Navy is the largest in the world - but they do not have the capacity to supply a world war -

without US Commercial ships under US Flags and Crews, we are at the mercy of foreign shipping comapnies to supply any sizable front.

This is part of the collapse.

Logistics win wars.

There will be no world war threepeat without shipping.
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There’s plenty of capacity with the Merchant Marine for war supplies
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This is a very big deal.

At the beginning of 2023 China had 1,749 large Ocean going Commercial Vessels under construction.

The United States had 5.

Is this building back better?

Or Building nothing, and destorying everything!??!!?!?!?!

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]
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Uber is the biggest transportation company in the world, ask yourself: Does Uber owns cars???

airBnb is the biggest hotel in the world, does it own single property? No.

Appstore is the biggest in the world software seller, how many apps did it create? none.

Let China have their ships and maintain them... we will rent them.
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I think this is a very big deal.

You build ships if you plan to export products.

do we not intend to export anything?

Is outgoing Trade dead??????
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People in other countries will never be able to afford products made in USA.
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This is a very big deal.

At the beginning of 2023 China had 1,749 large Ocean going Commercial Vessels under construction.

The United States had 5.

Is this building back better?

Or Building nothing, and destorying everything!??!!?!?!?!

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]
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This is because there are almost NO US-flagged commercial shipping vessels, and there haven’t been for a very long time. This is because, compared to other countries, the costs and regulations involved with registering a ship in the US is extremely prohibitive. So commercial shippers simply register them somewhere else, like Liberia.
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THIS
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I worked at a port for a couple years... It was a predominantly exporting port for US Ag. products. Saw exactly one US flagged cargo ship with US merchant marines and it was in port for some repairs and I don't think it was setting sail for over seas.
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america exports wars,

it keeps defense contractors rich,

mitch signed a deal yesterday to give ukraine another 60 bllon buckaroos,

why did he do that,

cause a lot of that money goes back to defense contractors n the u.s.

defense budget last year was almost a trillion dollars,

covefe was a military operatiion,

they got a Good ol boy from new joke to create a warp speed jab that has killed more white folks than all wars combined,

and here we are talking about boats,

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The US doesn't need to export. We outsource our jobs so business owners can get rich and then go into debt trillions of dollars to pay the bills.
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Yeah but we lead in LGBTQ+ and Hollyweird.
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Re: US Commercial Shipping Industry has Collapsed - EXPORTS Controlled by the US are DEAD
This is a very big deal.

At the beginning of 2023 China had 1,749 large Ocean going Commercial Vessels under construction.

The United States had 5.

Is this building back better?

Or Building nothing, and destorying everything!??!!?!?!?!

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Rufus Juice


Uber is the biggest transportation company in the world, ask yourself: Does Uber owns cars???

airBnb is the biggest hotel in the world, does it own single property? No.

Appstore is the biggest in the world software seller, how many apps did it create? none.

Let China have their ships and maintain them... we will rent them.
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The war will put China on the other side. Are they still ubering our stuff for us in that scenario?
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China will sell us ships, they're called junks.
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Not logged in, am on the road.

This BDI chart link might be good bookmark for some folks...

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the impetus for economic growth is buying instant landfill garbage from amazon, harvesting your neuralink data to commodify every aspect of "your" life, buying and selling poorly made homes in an artificial debt based bubble and outright theft at the end with property taxes, a generation more interested in make-up tutorials and spewing trash on youtube instead of manufacturing.

when the rug pull comes americans are going to be blindsided by how fast they realize how truly poor they are. the entire sham of a country is built on the petrodollar and the foundations have cracked in recent years while the boobus americanus is fixated on the stupor bowl and the latest satanic half time show.
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EVERY SINGLE WATERWAY IS DRYING UP!!!!
EVEN THE MISSISSIPPI!!!!

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