Any Dr.'s here?Friend in ICU with infection from tooth abcess

please pin mods for visibility throughout the day, that someone in this field will see and respond.

Or at the very least for prayers for him!

your friend needs IV antibiotics or he will die.

Forget alternative treatments in this case, before their invention tooth abcesses killed about 60% of people who got them. The bacteria can cause a type of angina if unchecked which can lead to heart failure - if the abcess in on the upper jaw then bacteria can invade the brain and kill you.

I am not kidding when i say your friend could die of this if not treated correctly.

From my experience, this is true. Nothing to play around with when you have an infection of this kind/location.

yup, follow the doctors orders first, that could be deadly serious, but if you insist on using home cures, taking acv should lower the blood ph countering the excess oxygen and oil of oregano would likely knock out the tooth infection...


good luck

YES. It is TOO LATE to fuck around with alternative cures. If your friend is a doctor, why didn't he keep up with this? I'm not a doctor but I do know that you need to take your mouth seriously. There are veins that go straight to your heart from your jaw.

You should prepare a drink of hydrogen peroxide for your friend.


And doc...it is one of the few easily available effective germicidal chemical which kills germs by oxidation process. There are varied Hydrogen Peroxide Uses- both Home Uses and Medical Uses.
Hydrogen peroxide, a chemical substance found at your nearby drug store for as little as $0.50 may not seem like much, but it is an amazing product that can do almost anything. There are both home uses of hydrogen peroxide and medical uses of hydrogen peroxide. Some examples of hydrogen peroxide uses in the home are disinfecting kitchens and bathrooms, disinfecting a toothbrush when someone has a cold, mixing with tap water (which has virtually no oxygen in it) and using it to water plants with, adding to your dishwasher to aid in cleaning dishes, mixing with baking soda to clean carpets with and many other home uses.

There are many ways that hydrogen peroxide uses can improve our everyday heath and hygiene. Medical uses of hydrogen peroxide there are claims that it can cure everything from the common cold to curing skin cancers and other skin growths (warts-caused by a virus). It can also be used to clean teeth instead of toothpaste (baking soda can be used this way also) and a mouthwash, it can be used in a humidifier and inhaled (through the nose or mouth) to cure colds and the flu and other respiratory diseases.

Expand your search on this. We would like to know the result.

Ludwig's angina, otherwise known as angina ludovici, is a serious, potentially life-threatening infection of the tissues of the floor of the mouth, usually occurring in adults with concomitant dental infections. It is named after the German physician, Wilhelm Frederick von Ludwig who first described this condition in 1836. Other names include "angina Maligna" and "Morbus Strangularis."

The cause is usually a bacterial infection, most often streptococci or staphylococci, although other bacteria can also cause this (occurring mainly in the submandibular space which is followed by infection entering into the submaxillary space and further). Since the advent of antibiotics, Ludwig's angina has become a rare disease.

The route of infection in most cases is from infected lower third molars or from pericoronitis, which is an infection of the gums surrounding the partially erupted lower third molars. Although the wide-spread involvement seen in Ludwig's is usually seen to develop in persons with a state of lowered immunity, it can develop in otherwise healthy individuals also. Thus, it is very important to obtain dental consultation for lower third molars at the first sign of any pain, bleeding from the gums, sensitivity to heat/cold or swelling at the angle of the jaw.

Symptoms

The symptoms include swelling, pain and raising of the tongue, swelling of the neck and the tissues of the submandibular and sublingual spaces, malaise, fever, dysphagia (difficulty swallowing) and, in severe cases, stridor or difficulty breathing. Swelling of the submandibular and/or sublingual spaces are distinctive in that they are hard and classically 'boardlike'. Important signs include the patient not being able to swallow his/her own saliva and the presence of audible stridor as these strongly suggest that airway compromise is imminent.

Treatment

Treatment involves appropriate antibiotic medications, monitoring and protection of the airway in severe cases, and, where appropriate, urgent maxillo-facial surgery and/or dental consultation to incise and drain the collections. A nasotracheal tube is sometimes warranted for ventilation if the tissues of the mouth make insertion of an oral airway difficult or impossible. In cases where the patency of the airway is compromised, skilled airway management is mandatory. This entails management of the airway according to the American Society of Anesthesiologists' "Difficult Airway Algorithm" and necessitates fiberoptic intubation.

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I went through this similar ordeal in Dec 07 and
it nearly killed me. I am allergic to penicillin,
which did not help. I also do the herbal thing;
Oil of Oregano, etc. But...This is what happened...

I broke a molar on lower jaw...Waited two weeks
to go to dentist...during that time it became
infected...Dentist was going to do rootcanal and
'save' tooth (it was an 'anchor tooth' for a
lower partial)...First he put me on antibiotics
for 8 days...I went back and with NO aditional
Xray to confirm infection gone...he began working
on 2 teeth next to it for filling, etc...(anchor
teeth must be strong to support wires from partial
bridge)...Dentist began drilling out root then
began talking to assistant, saying; "Oh no, we
have a situation here...order-up further xrays
and see where this infection has gone..." All
of this conversation, as if I wasn't sitting
there and it wasn't about me)...Upon xraying
with a measuring tool inserted into the hole
in my root he had drilled-out, his assistant
'removed it' because she couldn't get faulty
xray machine to stay in place...She tried to
get Dentists attention or whether or not she
should re-insert this measuring device...She
could not get his attention and Re-inserted it
anyway..(she said that she had not had a
morning break and it was past lunchtime AND
that she was Hypoglycemic (sp-I'm in a rush
this morning, but wanted to respond to this)
And said she was about to faint! Dentist finally
came over(and one again, as if I wasn't sitting
there and it wasn't 'about' me, said; "Oh
NO you have CONTAMINATED this entire area!"
(She should NOT have reinserted measuring
device!!) He stuffed cotton into my jaw and
put me back on antibiotics that obviously
not effective from the onset! When I questioned
this He said, "You're Right! We'll double
the dose!" In the meantime a few days later,
my entire jaw EXPLODED with infection, I had
to go to Emergency and get a very potent
antibiotic Injection, the n finish what he
had prescribed. I went back to him (no one else
would SEE me as they feared 'getting involved'
with another's error) And this Dentist had tto
EXTRACT ALL MY bottom teeth in that area!!!

I have not addressed this further with him or
anyone else...Have not had time to do so. In
the interim, I bought teeth from another Dentist
and epoxied them onto my partial.
This has been an absolute horror as I battled
infection and the aftermath for 3 months.

I hope your friend does well! Very Serious!!

I will save this post and hope to get back to it
soon as I can. Really should be pinned! Serious
stuff here that a lot of people will be facing
with everything happening as they are. And few
really caring what IS happening to others.
Take care all..

Had a similar event 4 years ago. Went to hospital 4 times in 3 weeks, never anything they could figure out. Had an impacted tooth and some gum disease. Gum disease, impacted tooth, all create the bacteria that causes systemic CANDITA. Candida is a bacteria combined with a fungus. The infection breeds from the gums, tooth, to the sinus. It engorges the sinus and starts to spread systemicly into the nervous system. TOUGH TOUGH disease. You say it is accumulating oxygen but that is contradictory. Oxygen kills bacteria. An Oxygen tent of pure Oxygen will neutralize almost all systemic infections if done properly. Rinsing with Colidal Silver and Hydrogen Peroxide will help kill the overactive bacteria in the mouth. But the Tooth must be extracted and natural antibioctics will bring back the balance. Western medicine doesn't even acknowledge systemic candida, don't even realize all the nervous disorders and systemic infections created by an unhealthy mouth always bombarded by modern SUGAR. Processed SUGAR is what is killing people

This is very correct! I have alot of faith in alternative therapies. But now is not the time to experiment with them. Alternative therapies tend to work most effectively when empowering the body to heal itself. But this is usually assuming the body is an ideal state and still yet tends to be a slow process. Your friend's status is critical and he is probably in the best environment right now.

It does sound as if it has gone way too far for just an alternative therapy or two to work in his case. However, I would suggest you / he look into oil pulling. Possibly as an assist to the conventional methods of today's medicine.

[link to www.oilpulling.com]

Thread: **OIL PULLING** - STRONGER, WHITER TEETH!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you

Friend is in hodpital with specialists(supposed specialists), but they seem more concerned about liability than doing EVERYTHING possible.

Will contact previous email contact and be back on in a few hours :)!

He has been in hospital for 4-5 days now.

Medivaced from 1 in NJ to 1 in Philly 3 days ago.

No improvement.

Peace

my iguana had a bacteria in her spine that the vet said no antibiotics could reach. i've kept her alive for 6 months doing this.

[link to health.groups.yahoo.com]

searching around for tooth infections will get you info about that. here's something to start with...

[link to health.groups.yahoo.com]

Ok, I just happen to be killing some time on my lunch hour, and I saw your post.I'm an ENT specialist.
First, they've got your friend's airway stable, which is good. The trach will come out once the swelling and inflammtion subside. He's in ICU, so they can keep a close eye on him.
They've drained the abscess, which also good. That is the main treatment. Once the abscess is drained things start to turn around fairly quickly for the better in general. Cultures should be coming back soon, which will help direct the antibiotic treatment to be more effective. He's probably already on a couple of high power antibiotics already.
The oxygen you are referring to is just air that accuulates in the space in the soft tissue as the pressure from the pus forces a pocket or channel through the soft tissue. Also air will occupy the empty space once the abscess is drained. It will go away as your friend heals and the space closes.
Alternative treatments will not be much use to the doctors at this time. Trust me on this.
The best thing you can do is offer your friend healing thoughts and energy when you see him. If you do a little energy work you can do this quietly by just laying your hands on him, project healing and balance to his body. Project healing and balance into the IV fluids.
Once he's out of the hospital, then he can investigate alternative treaments.
The main thing he muct do is get his teeth taken care of or this will be a recurrent issue.
Good luck. Healing to your frind.

I just had a tooth extracted. I was having a root canal redone and they discovered the tooth was cracked and could not be saved. After the tooth was gone the oral surgeon said there was a lot of infection in there. He treated it with ozone. I think it was ozone water because he squirted some liquid in there. It all happened so fast. He just said "I am going to put some ozone in there", squirted something and then closed it up. Might want to mention it to your friend's docs.

MMS

Call an ambulance for this guy.

OP, your friends a quack. A doctor would have gone to the dentist before it infected his entire jaw and neck.

Survivalists take note - pull infected teeth in the bush or the infection will move into the brain.

i don't have anything relevant to add... but this is a blatant warning that i need to get my ass to the dentist.

man i wish i wasn't so strapped for cash

Do you live near a big university with a dental school? I used to go to the University of Minnesota, I had a lot of work done there by the students. It was time-consuming, but cheap, and the atmosphere was terrific, the students are so enthusiastic and there's doctors everywhere to check their work.

Do not hesitate to put dental work on a credit card, and worry about it LATER. Do not hesitate. Voice of experience here. Everyone has some kind of health related bill. If you have a credit card bill that's for dental work, it's NO BIG DEAL.

I know that debt sucks but if you need a little extra capitol one has financing for health stuff. Had to use that when I had to get my wisdom teeth out and my worthless insurance would not pay for it. It's better than waiting and having to get tons of work done or having all your teeth pulled.

AHHHHHHHH!!! I hate the teeth problems. I experienced the same problem in 05. I didn't need the trache, but was admitted into surgery after numerous xrays and a cat scan. The doctor was showin me the catscan and explained to me that there was nothin there. Even though I was in agony and couldn't hardly swallow I had to laugh...that's what my wife had been sayin for yrs. Anyway...in the mouth xrays I was filled to the brim with pus. They cut a whole in my neck and put in a tube during surgery to let the shit drain. 1 week of that and then a bad tooth and OLD FILLINGS removed over the next 2 months. This is were I have to add that since 1999 I've had what was diagnosed as Rhumatoid Arthritis. Great...predominately a female ailement and I get it. Like with any other medical problem I had to find the right medication/dosage (the shots sucked) which I really never did. When I had the tooth infection I had to stop takin any meds because they suppress my imune system...OK. I'm serious...since the infection and havin my old fillings (pre 1990) removed I have not takin any RA medication. Look around...there are some stories of the silver fillings they've been loadin us with for a long time that lean to these things posssibly fuckin up our imune systems. All I know for sure is that I've takin nothing since 05 and give the finger to a couple bottles of old medication when I wake up in the morning. It used to take an hour of movement and a hot shower to get me out the door. I moved like I was 90 instead of 45. Just sayin...GET ALL THAT OLD SHIT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!

God Bless you for living up to your oath :)!

I agree with what you say. The previous poster also gave me the clue on the name "Ludwig's Angina".

I'm worried about the lungs (and fungal possibilities:Candida.....), air has accumulated in chest wall and possibility of pneumothorax is possible as well as the various infections.

I know the mortality rate is 8-10%, but his case is advanced. You know yourself, sometimes Dr.'s can be the worst patients and put off what they should'nt!

He was listed as stable, but still in ICU.

A little Clarithromycin & salt water or peroxide gargle and immediate oral surgeon would have been in order I'm sure, but I don't think he got my message while home in bed(passed through roommate).

I do hope some here realize that different Dr.'s have different specialties, and though most have the basic knowledge of an MD, some don't realize in a field not their own, just how far they may be advanced in something before it's critical.

I had a friend that was a surgeon, was having heart attack symptoms and drove himself to the hospital.

Also knew a Cardiologist that suffered a massive heart attack. Just brushed off symptoms as something else. Now if either of these had been treating someone else, protocal would have been aggressive testing.

Sometimes Dr.'s can go into the same denial that teens do, "Not me, I'm invincible. I've taken good care of myself!"

At any rate, hopefully this will be a learning experience for many here!

Here is a link to a case with a 38 yr. old patient with HIV that have an abcessed tooth and the care they were given:

[link to medworld.stanford.edu]


Thank You again to the ENT Spec., much appreciated! Support is gratiously welcomed also from you!


Some did not realize that this person was already in the hospital, but I do appreciate your advice!

Please keep him in your prayers for full recovery, he's not out of danger yet.

God Bless

vancomiacine or zyvox if indicated ,you don't wait it out anymore