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that made me cry.
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They fired 6 people that worked there. The people in the waiting room may have been pysch patients as well, but I figure hey they are still moving living beings and could at least alert or something.
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Those security guards though....how about this for a new rule? We don't leave another human being laying on the floor no matter what. You get up off your lazy ass and see if they need help.
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its the demo version of the Obama health care plan, die while waiting to save $$$ in health care costs..
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ER's and their staff (for the most part) are a living nightmare these days.

As a nurse that cares, I refuse to work in them anymore. Emergency medicine was my first love and the entire reason that I went to nursing school in the first place.

I was faulted for giving a pillow to one of my patients not so many months ago. Why? Hmmmmm ... so the patient wouldn't be comfortable ... and, I suppose, because the poor excuse for staff would not have to change the pillow case, once the patient was discharged.

There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.



Family has some responsiblity with this, too, though, and they sit on their behinds with $ signs in their eyes contemplating a lawsuit while their loved ones suffer, instead of taking them into their own hands and caring for them like THEY should.

Shame, shame, shame - - all the way around.


We will ALL be held accountable for every action or inaction.

And don't forget:

We often encounter angels, unaware.


Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden rule, quoting Jesus.


Love one another.
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Love is dead............
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That's how it happens in Canada while people wait 9 months or more for an MRI scan or CT scan. Family doctor sends you to a specialist for any problem = 5 to 6 month wait. Specialist then sends you for tests = 9 more more months wait. Back to Specialist for results, perhaps more tests. Result = more than one year to 10 years to get a diagnosis of Myositis, meanwhile you are less an less able as the months and years go by to do basic daily things like earn a living, get groceries, do your laundry, keep a roof over your head.

The health care system sucks everywhere.

But this instance beggars belief that other "humans" can just keep on ignoring her while she is in her death throes and also she is only 49. No one thought it was strange that a woman falls to the floor and takes half hour to die then lies there for yet another half hour. Something is seriously wrong with society and people.
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That's how it happens in Canada while people wait 9 months or more for an MRI scan or CT scan. Family doctor sends you to a specialist for any problem = 5 to 6 month wait. Specialist then sends you for tests = 9 more more months wait. Back to Specialist for results, perhaps more tests. Result = more than one year to 10 years to get a diagnosis of Myositis, meanwhile you are less an less able as the months and years go by to do basic daily things like earn a living, get groceries, do your laundry, keep a roof over your head.

The health care system sucks everywhere.

But this instance beggars belief that other "humans" can just keep on ignoring her while she is in her death throes and also she is only 49. No one thought it was strange that a woman falls to the floor and takes half hour to die then lies there for yet another half hour. Something is seriously wrong with society and people.
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Coming to America prolly sooner than later.

Love is not dead, by the way.

Indeed, many hearts have grown cold (quoting Jesus' words again)(He's my One and only favorite).
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its the demo version of the Obama health care plan, die while waiting to save $$$ in health care costs..
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Fuck ypu scrotum faced inbred piece of shit.
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PROPAGANDA

Stop putting illegal aliens actions as American actions.

Citizens no longer go to emergency rooms in hospitals.

Why? Because they will not be waited on fast enough, all the ILLEGAL ALIENS get preferential treatment.

It's propaganda at it finest, trying to put 3rd world actions on first world citizens.

It's why the general public doesn't care, they know this shit isn't about them.

It's the MSM's way of showing citizens in a bad light.
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See how the illegals NEED the US for their medical treatments?

Invade a country, hold it citizens in disdain, but plead and beg with the invaded that you need their medical expertise and then blame the hospital for their own misery.

Fuck all of that.
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Citizens no longer go to emergency rooms in hospitals.

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I never go the the E/R. Why? Can't afford the deductibles/co-pays with my insurance unless I am positve they will be admitting me.

I suffer thru the weekend until Monday morning when the doctors office opens.
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As do most citizens who can afford it.

I think there have been another five hospitals to close in southern California, just this year alone.

You can only give out so much indigent care until such a time as to go broke and close the doors.
I never go the the E/R. Why? Can't afford the deductibles/co-pays with my insurance unless I am positve they will be admitting me.

I suffer thru the weekend until Monday morning when the doctors office opens.
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ER's and their staff (for the most part) are a living nightmare these days.

As a nurse that cares, I refuse to work in them anymore. Emergency medicine was my first love and the entire reason that I went to nursing school in the first place.

I was faulted for giving a pillow to one of my patients not so many months ago. Why? Hmmmmm ... so the patient wouldn't be comfortable ... and, I suppose, because the poor excuse for staff would not have to change the pillow case, once the patient was discharged.

There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.
Ditto.


Family has some responsiblity with this, too, though, and they sit on their behinds with $ signs in their eyes contemplating a lawsuit while their loved ones suffer, instead of taking them into their own hands and caring for them like THEY should.

Shame, shame, shame - - all the way around.


We will ALL be held accountable for every action or inaction.

And don't forget:

We often encounter angels, unaware.


Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden rule, quoting Jesus.


Love one another.
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Love is it dead? I don't think so, but for most it sure seems in a deep fluoride coma! TV, perv books and mags, the pornnet, crap foods and additives all taking it toll and making us sicker. Next stop for our race seems to be cosmic oblivion. It's a shame because I try to stay away from junk foods, fluoridated H2O, and b.s. TV, mags and books (I usually only read tech material) and I've noticed the gradual, but accellerating trend of the dehumanization of the me me me human stock here in the US. We're being lied to and poisoned out of our lives, out of our brains, out of our morals and goodness. Perhaps that woman was lucky in away.
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Sad. Imagine how often things like this will happen if we socialize health care.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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its the demo version of the Obama health care plan, die while waiting to save $$$ in health care costs..

Fuck ypu scrotum faced inbred piece of shit.
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The truth hurts...

MLK-Harbor is operated by the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services...

MLK-Harbor's founding was spurred by the 1965 Watts Riots. In the aftermath of the unrest, Governor Pat Brown appointed a Commission to identify contributing factors to the unrest. This resulted in the December 1965 McCone Report. One major finding of the Report was the lack of a health care access near the low income neighborhoods of South Central Los Angeles.
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Nobody cares anymore that is true. Only the wealthy are cared for anymore because they have all the fucking money...

I know several broke, uninsured persons, in serious need of extended medical care and will not get it, not only because the state they live in is supposedly running out of money, but of course, because they have no insurance. So they will continue suffer until they die. They will do just about anything for painkillers, which doctors have such hard time handing out these days.

On the other hand, a very wealthy relative with tons of insurance (used to be a state employee) just received three months of intensive care for acute leukemia at one of the best cancer hospitals on the East Coast.

One time her temperature rose so high, they helicoptered her to another facility. Finally, when the docs could do no more for her, they sent her home in an ambulance, an 1 1/2 hour ride. ALL PAID for by state insurance, which is you and me folks.

Now, she is resting comfortably at home with daily hospice workers and a full-time registered nurse attending her every need. Now, don't get me wrong, this woman is a wonderful person, but so are my friends that do not have insurance whatsoever.

Money talks. It has the power of GOD. At least in America.

Add to the fact that most everyone is so incredibly self-centered and competitive, they could care less if a person dies in front of them. There are rare exceptions, of course.

As the economy keeps going to hell, magnifiy this 100 times. These are the times we live in.
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Imagine when death is everywhere, like they see in other countries. People watch this crap on TV so much they become numb to it and would let somebody die because helping them would be too inconvenient.
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Love is it dead? I don't think so, but for most it sure seems in a deep fluoride coma! TV, perv books and mags, the pornnet, crap foods and additives all taking it toll and making us sicker. Next stop for our race seems to be cosmic oblivion. It's a shame because I try to stay away from junk foods, fluoridated H2O, and b.s. TV, mags and books (I usually only read tech material) and I've noticed the gradual, but accellerating trend of the dehumanization of the me me me human stock here in the US. We're being lied to and poisoned out of our lives, out of our brains, out of our morals and goodness. Perhaps that woman was lucky in away.
 Quoting: Luke 432031


I don't think love is dead, either, but people ARE zombies. I don't know if it's the fluoride, additives, emf's, pharmaceuticals, fluorescent lighting, chem trails, rushed lifestyles, not enough sleep or what, but people seem oblivious to what's going on in front of their very noses and/or haven't the COMMON DECENCY anymore to just step up . It's nuts. Is it fear? Is it the me/not me philosophy? It's just not hospitals either. It's EVERYWHERE. Just today, I'm in the check out line with my grocery cart, there's an old lady a couple carts in front of me. There's a big strapping guy directly behind the old lady. Several customers to the lady's left, and a bagger standing right next to her. The little old lady was moaning and clearly struggling to bend and lift her purchases from the bottom of her cart and all these people are just standing there like nothing is happening. You could SEE it. It's right in front of your eyes. You could HEAR it -- geesh, she was MOANING for goodness sakes. How hard is this ? Of course, I left my cart and went over to help her, and then all of a sudden people wake up and also start to help her, thankfully,(and happily, too!) but it's like people are in a social stupor and numb to others. Wake up ! Wake up ! When it's right in front of you and you do nothing, wtf is up with that ? Where are people's minds (and hearts!) ?
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Nobody cares anymore that is true. Only the wealthy are cared for anymore because they have all the fucking money...

I know several broke, uninsured persons, in serious need of extended medical care and will not get it, not only because the state they live in is supposedly running out of money, but of course, because they have no insurance. So they will continue suffer until they die. They will do just about anything for painkillers, which doctors have such hard time handing out these days.

On the other hand, a very wealthy relative with tons of insurance (used to be a state employee) just received three months of intensive care for acute leukemia at one of the best cancer hospitals on the East Coast.

One time her temperature rose so high, they helicoptered her to another facility. Finally, when the docs could do no more for her, they sent her home in an ambulance, an 1 1/2 hour ride. ALL PAID for by state insurance, which is you and me folks.

Now, she is resting comfortably at home with daily hospice workers and a full-time registered nurse attending her every need. Now, don't get me wrong, this woman is a wonderful person, but so are my friends that do not have insurance whatsoever.

Money talks. It has the power of GOD. At least in America.

Add to the fact that most everyone is so incredibly self-centered and competitive, they could care less if a person dies in front of them. There are rare exceptions, of course.

As the economy keeps going to hell, magnifiy this 100 times. These are the times we live in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 206814


My niece was talking to a woman. The woman's about 35-40. She doesn't have a lot of money and has no insurance. The doctor tells her she's got cancerous growths in her uterus. The woman asks is she can have it removed as she doesn't plan on any more kids. Doc tells her since she has no way to pay for it and no insurance, they'll just have to keep an eye on it "until it gets bad enough." UNTIL IT GETS BAD ENOUGH ? So, this lady gets to walk around waiting for it to get "bad enough". How much is "bad enough"? Dead?
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MLK hospital has a rep as a killer. Not just this incedent. It's a bad hospital. The reason they get away with it is because it's in a inner city area and staffed by minorities so they get a PC pass. Sad.
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- To people around the world who have seen the video, Esmin Green is a symbol of a health-care system that seems to have failed horribly.

Fellow churchmembers say they served as a family for Esmin Green, shown in 2007, after she left Jamaica.

Green, 49, is shown rolling off a waiting room chair at King County Hospital in Brooklyn, New York, on June 19. She lands face-down on the floor, convulsing.

Surveillance video captures her lying on the floor for more than an hour as several hospital workers see her and appear to ignore her. She died there.

But to fellow members of her church, she was known as "Sister Green." Together, they served as a family for her in the decade after she left Jamaica for New York.

Green left six children in Jamaica -- the youngest now 14. She had been sending money home. Watch 'Sister Green' in church »

Her oldest daughter, 31-year-old Tecia Harrison, told CNN that she cannot bear to think of her mother's last moments.

"I haven't seen it, and I don't think I have the heart or mind to watch it because that's my mother there," Harrison said. "That's the woman who gave birth to me 31 years ago. I cannot watch that."

Green was involuntarily admitted to the hospital's psychiatric emergency department June 18 for "agitation and psychosis."

Friend Peter Pilgrim says he saw Green a few days before her death. He says she was struggling with losing her job at a day care center and had been forced to move out of her apartment.

"Esmin Green is a beautiful person," he said. "She has a good heart. She loved people, and she loved children."

Green's pastor says she had been hospitalized with emotional problems once before and recently appeared to be in distress again. So the pastor called 911, a decision that haunts her.

Upon her admission, Green waited nearly 24 hours for treatment, said the New York Civil Liberties Union, which released the surveillance video of the incident Tuesday.

Her collapse came at 5:32 a.m. June 19, the NYCLU said, and she stopped moving at 6:07 a.m. During that time, according to the organization, workers at the hospital ignored her.

At 6:35 a.m., the tape shows a hospital employee approaching and nudging Green with her foot, the group said. Help was summoned three minutes later.

In addition, the organization said, hospital staff falsified Green's records to cover up the time she had lain there without assistance.

"Contrary to what was recorded from four different angles by the hospital's video cameras, the patient's medical records say that at 6 a.m., she got up and went to the bathroom, and at 6:20 a.m. she was 'sitting quietly in waiting room' -- more than 10 minutes since she last moved and 48 minutes after she fell to the floor."

The medical examiner's office says it is still trying to determine what caused Green's death. Her medical records will be the focus of an investigation. Hospital documents say she was "awake and sitting quietly" at the very moment she was actually struggling on the floor.

The New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which oversees the hospital, released a statement Tuesday saying it was "shocked and distressed by this situation. It is clear that some of our employees failed to act based on our compassionate standards of care."

James Saunders, a spokesman for the corporation, said seven employees have been fired or suspended: the chief of psychiatry, chief of security, a doctor, two nurses and two security guards.

A Health and Hospitals Corporation spokeswoman said it was aware of the discrepancies in Green's record when it began the preliminary investigation June 20.

The corporation pledged to put "additional and significant" reforms in place in the wake of the death.

A federal investigation is also under way, looking into abuse allegations at Kings County that were detailed in a lawsuit in 2007.

In May 2007, the New York Civil Liberties Union and the Mental Hygiene Legal Service sued Kings County in federal court, alleging that conditions at the facility are filthy. Patients are often forced to sleep in plastic chairs or on floors covered in urine, feces and blood while waiting for beds, the groups allege, and often go without basic hygiene such as showers, clean linens and clean clothes.

The lawsuit claims that patients who complain face physical abuse and are injected with drugs to keep them docile.

The hospital, the suit alleges, lacks "the minimal requirements of basic cleanliness, space, privacy, and personal hygiene that are constitutionally guaranteed even to convicted felons."

Among the reforms agreed to in court Tuesday by the hospital are additional staffing; checking of patients every 15 minutes; and limiting to 25 the number of patients in the psychiatric emergency ward, officials said.

In addition, the hospital said it is expanding crisis-prevention training for staff; expanding space to prevent overcrowding; and reducing patients' wait time for release, treatment or placement in an inpatient bed.

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No one in their right mind should go into the medical profession. It's just another corporate nightmare and the victims are the patients. The ones that get ahead in the game are the best ass kissers, not the best nurses. You can not be a good nurse and survive in this shit. The only way is to sacrifice your patient care. It's all about the paperwork. You spend so much time documenting shit that you don't even do that you don't have time to do the shit you should be doing. Yeap, that's nursing. God help us all.
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just wait until your f'd up and dying. i dunno, maybe you have millions of dollars and nice health coverage. will it still allow you the best of treatment or any treatment at all perhaps?

the more i glance at CNN or Fox news where i sometimes eat, the more i see fascism being conformed to the norm.

#1 is take care of yourself and your family. in that respect try and stay knowledgeable and aware of dangerous medicines and about what herbs and ways of healing can help.
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Coming to America prolly sooner than later.

Love is not dead, by the way.

Indeed, many hearts have grown cold (quoting Jesus' words again)(He's my One and only favorite).


Prolly???? Are we thinking this is actually a word?
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Coming to America prolly sooner than later.

Love is not dead, by the way.

Indeed, many hearts have grown cold (quoting Jesus' words again)(He's my One and only favorite).


Prolly???? Are we thinking this is actually a word?
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Common these days with the younger generation - - I can blame it on the ones that live in my house - - but there are others.

Probably ... better now?


Love on.
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Should we send the illegals sympathy cards?

Tugging on the heart strings of Americans since 2001.

It isn't the first time someone died in an emergency room from neglect.





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