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Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money

 
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Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
Obama, the PAC-Man
By William Tate

While the media elite goes after Vets for Freedom for making a TV buy for John McCain, they're giving Barack Obama a free ride as he surfs a wave of PAC money to the Democratic nomination, a wave that, if anything, is nearing tsunami proportions despite his boasts that he doesn't accept donations from PACs.

The political committees of just one such entity -- which according to Obama's own website, he "begged" for their support -- dwarf the Vets' $1 million ad buy. According to the Center for Responsible Politics, the Service Employees International Union spent over $9 million during a crucial three month period to help the Big O secure the Democrats' nomination. And not only did SEIU PACs spend money for Obama at a breathtaking rate, they did so in ways that could turn federal regulations governing such expenditures on their ear.

FEC rules require that such so-called "independent expenditures" by political committees be limited to communications, such as the ubiquitous TV spots and newspaper ads to which we have all become accustomed, but SEIU's PACs have paid for such campaign essentials as door-to-door canvassing for Obama, voter identification and registration, and even bus rental and food for pro-Obama rallies.

Obama can hardly claim ignorance of SEIU's free-spending M.O. A September 17, 2007 article in The Atlantic says of Obama,

"he is a longtime friend of Chicago's SEIU Local 880 and worked closely with the union as an organizer and later as a state legislator."

The article says that as he "begged" for their support; Obama told SEIU members,

"I've spent my entire adult life working with SEIU. I'm not a newcomer to this. I didn't suddenly discover SEIU on the campaign trail."

The Obama campaign apparently has no problem with this characterization of their candidate's coziness with SEIU. They posted the article on their website.

Federal records back up Obama's claim. SEIU's PAC contributed the maximum donation allowed by law to Obama's 2004 campaign for the Senate. Still, the $10,000--$5k in each 2003 and 2004 amounted to a pittance compared to the $1.2 million Obama received from PACs overall, and was infinitesimal compared to the $3 million that, again according to the Center for Responsible Politics, SEIU's political committee spent backing John Kerry's presidential campaign.

The difference was that the millions invested on Kerry were classified as "independent expenditures", for which there are no limits on the amount that political committees can spend on behalf of candidates.

Obama apparently learned a lesson. By opting out of accepting cash donations directly from PACs -- just as he became the first major party candidate to opt out of federal funding and the restrictions that come with it -- Obama steered the committees who support him, and whose support he even "begged" for, down a path which allows limitless spending on his behalf.

And has he ever benefited from it! Federal records show that Obama has been the beneficiary of "independent" expenditures from moveon.org, NARAL, the United Food & Commercial Workers International, and other PACs.

But the Big Daddy to the Big O has been SEIU.

FEC-required filings show SEIU's two PACs spent over $9 million dollars supporting Obama by the end of May. The money went for such things as:

-$126,000 to the SEIU United Healthcare Workers as reimbursement for "Staff salaries, per diem & expenses"

-$700,000 to pay the union's own General Fund for "staff and expense" of door-to-door canvassing of voters for Obama in Pennsylvania

-$300,000 for the same in Ohio

-$165,000 to the General Fund for get out the vote (GOTV) canvassing in Wisconsin

-$161,000+ to SEIU for further canvassing and "voter ID/"registration in Pennsylvania

-almost $40,000 for printing the materials to be used in the canvass

-$84,000+ to the SEIU Communications Center for phone bank activity to identify and register Obama voters in Pennsylvania

-$150,000 for a similar expenditure in Indiana

External expenditures for similar phone banks for Montana and for GOTV and "persuasion" in Texas

-The above-mentioned "election day rally bus rental" for the Pennsylvania primary in the amount of $1,450

-$310.56 to a New York eatery for food expenses for the same Pennsylvania election day rally

-And, of course, millions spent for the more traditional "independent expenditures" (i.e. communications)--TV spots, direct mail, and other forms of advertising.

While there is no limit on a PAC's "independent expenditures" for a candidate, there are restrictions on how the money can be spent. The FEC definition:

"An independent expenditure is an expenditure for a communication 'expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate that is not made in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, a candidate's authorized committee, or their agents, or a political party or its agents.' "

A number of the expenditures listed above, such as reimbursement of SEIU employees' per diem expenses or food for an Election Day rally, can qualify as "communication" by only the most Clintonian parsing of terms. Instead, they look like the nuts and bolts of running a campaign.

As to the second part of the definition, it is unlikely that there will ever be a smoking gun to prove that the SEIU is working "in concert with" the Obama campaign. The Obama camp has been accused of such things before, though, as officials with his own "leadership PAC" admitted that campaign officials steered them to make donations:

"to politicians in key primary states as the campaign was working to secure endorsements. The acknowledgment ... raised questions among some legal experts about whether the presidential committee was using Obama's leadership PAC to benefit his campaign ... (R)ules state that any leadership PAC expenditure coordinated with the politician's campaign should be treated as 'in-kind contributions' subject to a limit of $5,000"

according to a WaPo story at the time. (The story also raises to new levels Obama's hypocrisy about PAC money, since he is accused of doling out just such donations in exchange for endorsements.)

Even if overt coordination between the Obama camp and SEIU can not be proved, a San Francisco Chronicle article dated May 28th notes,

"While independent committees are required to spend their money without consulting a candidate or campaign, there's often an unspoken agreement that the official campaign puts out the feel-good ads while the independent committees go for the jugular."

And SEIU TV spots for Obama fit just that pattern, with the union promoting one such ad in a news release headlined,"SEIU Begins National TV Assault on McCain's Terrible Health Care 'Plan'." Through May, the SEIU had spent $1.5 million opposing McCain, again according to the Center for Responsible Politics. That was before the summer, much less the fall, campaign had even gotten started.

We can only expect more of the same between now and November.

The SEIU announced on June 24th that they plan "a budget of $85 million for this election, targeting swing states for Obama's presidential campaign" and other candidates. In addition, SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger said, "More than 100,000 SEIU members will be volunteering their time to ... elect Barack Obama as our next president." (Which begs the question if the "volunteers' salaries and per diems will also be reimbursed.)

As if to intentionally add new heights to political hypocrisy, the announcement followed by mere days Obama's pronouncement that the Democratic National Committee "won't take another dime from Washington lobbyists or special interest PACs. They do not fund my campaign. They will not fund our party."

He even managed to say it with a straight face.

Now that is audacity.

[link to www.americanthinker.com]


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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
Please tell me has McCain done anything you disagree with? Because you seem to be biased here.
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he's still gonna win, and you're gonna be wearing a turban and praising allah just like you were afraid of, so get the fuck over it.
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... This just in... Politicians lie. News at 11...
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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
I disagree with McCain on different issues, but those dont compare to how much I disagree with Obama.

I support John McCain as the nominee of the Republican Party and feel he is the best choice for president of the the two candidates who will win the election.

If there was anything I would say I dont like about McCain is his reluctance to respond to Obama's dirty politics, lies and personal attacks.

McCain is being way too nice.
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... This just in... Politicians lie. News at 11...
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Obama is not a politician...He is the Messiah.

And the Messiah said he doesnt lie.

:MessiahOba:
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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
I disagree with McCain on different issues, but those dont compare to how much I disagree with Obama.

I support John McCain as the nominee of the Republican Party and feel he is the best choice for president of the the two candidates who will win the election.

If there was anything I would say I dont like about McCain is his reluctance to respond to Obama's dirty politics, lies and personal attacks.

McCain is being way too nice.
 Quoting: PACNWguy


i haven't heard one personal attack on mccain by obama. i have however heard MANY attacks on obama by mccain. of course, you never change the channel off of fox news to see there are 2 sides to every story.
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"McCain is being way too nice."

When are the repubs going to start going after "The Precious"? Are they waiting until after His coronation in Denver?
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Please tell me has McCain done anything you disagree with? Because you seem to be biased here.
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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
I disagree with McCain on different issues, but those dont compare to how much I disagree with Obama.

I support John McCain as the nominee of the Republican Party and feel he is the best choice for president of the the two candidates who will win the election.

If there was anything I would say I don't like about McCain is his reluctance to respond to Obama's dirty politics, lies and personal attacks.

McCain is being way too nice.
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WTF, are you talking about?

I do not like the McCain's because they will not release Cynthia McCain's tax information as it will be all too obvious about her PUT options before 9/11. They knew and they profited. End of story. I do not exactly care for Obama, but he has a part to play that he was born to play. Watch and wait....2008 shall be interesting
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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
I disagree with McCain on different issues, but those dont compare to how much I disagree with Obama.

I support John McCain as the nominee of the Republican Party and feel he is the best choice for president of the the two candidates who will win the election.

If there was anything I would say I don't like about McCain is his reluctance to respond to Obama's dirty politics, lies and personal attacks.

McCain is being way too nice.



WTF, are you talking about?

I do not like the McCain's because they will not release Cynthia McCain's tax information as it will be all too obvious about her PUT options before 9/11. They knew and they profited. End of story. I do not exactly care for Obama, but he has a part to play that he was born to play. Watch and wait....2008 shall be interesting
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"a part to play that he was born to play"

You have to be kidding.
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WTF, are you talking about?

I do not like the McCain's because they will not release Cynthia McCain's tax information as it will be all too obvious about her PUT options before 9/11. They knew and they profited. End of story. I do not exactly care for Obama, but he has a part to play that he was born to play. Watch and wait....2008 shall be interesting
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"they will not release Cynthia McCain's tax info"

YOU DID NOT SEE "Cynthia McCain's tax info?"
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Obama is a creation of the Bilderberg group. Right from birth. He is a "creation." He may not even know it. Well, he probably does now!
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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
I disagree with McCain on different issues, but those dont compare to how much I disagree with Obama.

I support John McCain as the nominee of the Republican Party and feel he is the best choice for president of the the two candidates who will win the election.

If there was anything I would say I dont like about McCain is his reluctance to respond to Obama's dirty politics, lies and personal attacks.

McCain is being way too nice.
 Quoting: PACNWguy



I don't like either one of them, but do you deny all of the flip flopping that McCain has done? You don't disagree with him changing his views on offshore drilling, immigration, tax cuts, gay marriage, and the reason we are fighting in Iraq? That has to be considered a negative even to the most devout McCain supporter. I understand why you choose to favor McCain over Obama, but you have to be able to admit your choice's major faults as well. Don't you agree?
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Barack Hussein Obama Asserts His Patriotism

The AP says "Obama forcefully defended his patriotism Monday against anyone who would challenge it," although he "acknowledged occasional 'carelessness' on the topic. But he said that most criticism has been the result 'of the desire by some to score political points and raise fears about who I am and what I stand for.'"
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YEAH RIGHT

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."


"who I am and what I stand for."

WHO IS THIS GUY ANYWAY?

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WANT.

ALL WE KNOW HE PROMISED TO EVERYBODY EVERYTHING


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lmao... PACNWMORON chooses McCain, of all numskulls, for President... isn't he the same guy who used to smear Ron Paul every single day, and Paul, who is only about a million times more intelligent and informed than braindead McCain... LMFAO!!! I'm beginning to think PAC is the most transparent shill I've ever come across on the net.

I thought PAC would at least "try" to look legit by opting for Obama... nope, shills aren't exactly the brightest.
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lmao... PACNWMORON chooses McCain, of all numskulls, for President... isn't he the same guy who used to smear Ron Paul every single day, and Paul, who is only about a million times more intelligent and informed than braindead McCain... LMFAO!!! I'm beginning to think PAC is the most transparent shill I've ever come across on the net.

I thought PAC would at least "try" to look legit by opting for Obama... nope, shills aren't exactly the brightest.
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TELL US WHAT "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA" PROMISED TO YOU?"
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Please tell me has McCain done anything you disagree with? Because you seem to be biased here.
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BIASED?! HE ONLY HAS GEORGE BUSH'S COCK IN HIS MOUTH EVERYDAY. HEY,OP...YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPIT AND USE MOUTH WASH EVERY NOW AND THEN.

THIS COCKSUCKING OP IS A ONE MAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE AGAINST THE TRUTH. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL TO THE NAZIS OR IN STALINIST RUSSIA. HE IS THE TOKYO ROSE OF GLP. HE'S PROBABLY ALSO ON HEAVY MEDS AND NEEDS A PASS TO LEAVE THE SANATORIUM.
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Two dumbasses on a thread.Thank God minority doesn't rule.
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Re: Obama: "You misunderstood me when I said I would not take a dime from PACs, Lobbyists and Special Interest groups. Sure I will take their money
Please tell me has McCain done anything you disagree with? Because you seem to be biased here.

BIASED?! HE ONLY HAS GEORGE BUSH'S COCK IN HIS MOUTH EVERYDAY. HEY,OP...YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPIT AND USE MOUTH WASH EVERY NOW AND THEN.

THIS COCKSUCKING OP IS A ONE MAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE AGAINST THE TRUTH. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL TO THE NAZIS OR IN STALINIST RUSSIA. HE IS THE TOKYO ROSE OF GLP. HE'S PROBABLY ALSO ON HEAVY MEDS AND NEEDS A PASS TO LEAVE THE SANATORIUM.
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I swear, you kids are obsessed with cocks. Virtually every post you make you talk about sucking cocks or other gay behavior. You resort to calling me school yard names because you dont have the mental capacity to discuss or debate any of the issues. Thats sad because most 8th graders should have a grasp of them.

You are showing your age as pimple faced teens with huge sexuality issues every time you resort to your internet graffiti. Its makes me laugh. lol

Dumb asses.

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