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07/16/2008 06:26 PM
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Sorry, bro, you're shot down.

says who? You, please...you don't have the right or the authority. You will not stop me. So save your fingers and stop typing this nonsense.


Look at the pictures yourself. Do YOU see 13 degrees difference, yes or no?

Sorry, but that was your claim. It is obviously wrong.

No, no 13 degree difference BUT i do see A difference. That is the debate, right?


Don't try to get out of it. YOU claimed 13 degrees.

You are simply wrong. Get over it.

O did claim 13 degrees and that is exactly what I saw. But, the debate amongst you debunkers is whether it is happening or not.

Again, don't try to put a spin on this. It only shows the desperate nature of your position.
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Go to the Katcam site and punch in the date that you did your experiment and bring up the pictures of the sun in various locations. Then bring up the pictures of it from exactly one year earlier and how us your 13 degrees difference.
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What was the date of your measurements?
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btw, people in the northern regions would be the first to notice these effects. Agreed?

The Inuit have sounded the alarm as well...

[link to www.cbc.ca]

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Perhaps you should read your own article, which shoots your claim in the foot.

"Wayne Davidson, who is the resident meteorologist in Resolute Bay, said the likely cause of this "rising sun" mystery is a temperature difference between the very cold air over the snow and the air above, which has been warmer than usual."

"Glaciologist Dr. Roy Koerner, with the Geological Survey of Canada, agreed, comparing it to sticking a fork into a glass of water: the fork appears to bend where it enters the water, he said."

"So you get the same effect: you get this bent effect. Except in this case, the sun, which is just below the horizon, looks as if it's above the horizon, just a bit of it," he said.

"Both Koerner and Davidson said they believe a warming climate is responsible. They said they hope Inuit and scientists working during International Polar Year can work together on more in-depth analysis of the observations."
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07/16/2008 06:30 PM
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Nope. You've "proved" nothing. In fact, every time you post you show your ignorance of the subject even more.
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I have proven much more then you.
This is one example, albeit it is a good one
[link to www.cbc.ca]

Why do sundials still work perfectly?
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when was the last time you looked at one?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
And do ALL hours of the sundials line up? Not just one time of the day.

Why do sunrises at ancient monuments still occur exactly as they have since the monuments were built?
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When was the last time you visited one?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
Was 12 noon the time tested? Not very conclusive if so. That is, if atmospheric gases are to blame.

How about Manhattanhenge?
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When was the last time you witnessed this?
And/or, was this info provided via television?

Why is the north celestial pole still exactly in the right place? You can prove this to yourself by putting a film camera on a tripod aimed at Polaris and taking a long exposure photograph.
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When was the last time you did that?
And/or, was this info provided via television?

This is really getting funny.
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I was thinking the same thing.
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07/16/2008 06:31 PM
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What was the date of your measurements?
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Give me the date. I'll post links to the pictures myself.
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07/16/2008 06:34 PM
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menow are you stating that the earth does not change its tilt?


Well, why don't you quote me where you think I am saying something you want to challenge. I have no idea what your point is. There are "changes" and there are "changes". Your question is too vague and an obvious set-up of some sort. What is YOUR point?

no set up,astronomers acknowledge that the earths tilt changes yet you disagree with the op when he says the earths tilt has changed.


Again, I ask you...do you have any idea of the scale and timeframe of these known changes in the earth's tilt? Please explain how the known changes have anything at all to do with the OP's original claim.

this is to do with your claims that if earths tilt "changed" the oceans would run riot turning us into waterworld.and before you ask ,do I have to go through all these pages again paste it?
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Um... That was me. The OP had claimed that the position of Sunset(rise?) had changed by some large amount over just 24 hours(15 degrees?). THAT was what I said would cause oceans to overrun continents. I said nothing about turning Earth into a waterworld. The oceans would drain away again, obviously.
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btw, people in the northern regions would be the first to notice these effects. Agreed?

The Inuit have sounded the alarm as well...

[link to www.cbc.ca]



Perhaps you should read your own article, which shoots your claim in the foot.

"Wayne Davidson, who is the resident meteorologist in Resolute Bay, said the likely cause of this "rising sun" mystery is a temperature difference between the very cold air over the snow and the air above, which has been warmer than usual."

"Glaciologist Dr. Roy Koerner, with the Geological Survey of Canada, agreed, comparing it to sticking a fork into a glass of water: the fork appears to bend where it enters the water, he said."

"So you get the same effect: you get this bent effect. Except in this case, the sun, which is just below the horizon, looks as if it's above the horizon, just a bit of it," he said.

"Both Koerner and Davidson said they believe a warming climate is responsible. They said they hope Inuit and scientists working during International Polar Year can work together on more in-depth analysis of the observations."
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Another spin attempt.

The original debate was IF this has happened and NOT WHAT caused this.

Did you point out if this has been occurring for thousands of years? No, you haven't and the Inuit are remarking this as 'not supposed to happen'. They have a better understanding of where the sun should be then you or I since there lives depend on it more so then our modern life.

Another spin attempt. Goes to show the desperation here. I will win cause I know I am right. But it is not about being right or wrong. It is about warning the millions of people who have families, children to take care of. Do you wish to deny proper safety for millions of children?
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07/16/2008 06:37 PM
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I am not denying the Milankovitch cycle. I am proving the Earth axis has tilted beyond the normally accepted range into a dangerous position.



Nope. You've "proved" nothing. In fact, every time you post you show your ignorance of the subject even more.

Why do sundials still work perfectly?

Why do sunrises at ancient monuments still occur exactly as they have since the monuments were built?

How about Manhattanhenge?

Why is the north celestial pole still exactly in the right place? You can prove this to yourself by putting a film camera on a tripod aimed at Polaris and taking a long exposure photograph.

This is really getting funny.
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are you sure your aiming at polaris?it is not even classed as a bright star,48th I believe.maybe your pointing at the wrong star considering how dim polaris is.you tell me buddy.
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07/16/2008 06:38 PM
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Also note what is said here...

"Both Koerner and Davidson said they believe a warming climate is responsible. They said they hope Inuit and scientists working during International Polar Year can work together on more in-depth analysis of the observations."

Where are the results? They aren't known because the truth is too much to release.

And also note they said this, "Both Koerner and Davidson said they believe a warming climate is responsible."

Believe and know are two different things. It may not be gases in the atmosphere. It is the axis tilting.
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07/16/2008 06:40 PM
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Outside of GLP reference, no its not a GLP thing
[link to www.wesawthat.blogspot.com]


This is from the department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138, USA
[link to www.nature.com]


This is considered 'soft' proof from NASA
[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

It shows, moreover, that changes in climate signals can have global implications on Earth's overall rotation.

[link to www.unexplainable.net]
Earth's axis displacement to result in monstrous global changes
As the core nears the mantle of Earth, the number of earthquakes, tsunamis and volcano eruptions increases


THIS is from a NASA FUNDED RESEARCH GROUP
[link to www.spaceref.com]
Because of Earth's dynamic climate, winds and atmospheric pressure systems experience constant change. These fluctuations may affect how our planet rotates on its axis, according to NASA-funded research that used wind and satellite data.

anyone here debating whether climate change is real or not? I don't think so. These guys say the atmosphere effects earths axis. The over global temps are changing, there for, so is the Earth axis.

These guys say were long over due. So, what I am claiming, along with hundreds of thousands of others is, it is not so far fetched as YOU debunkers seem to think so. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
[link to www.cosmosmagazine.com]

Someone also said, "Professional forums were scientists debate hasn't once mentioned this axis tilt." ERRR WRONG, here is a physics forum. Plenty of talk about an axis shift.
[link to www.physicsforums.com]

[link to hennessysview.com]
If the earth were a perfect sphere, he says, it would not be stable on its axis. The “smallest beetle crawling over it would change the axis of rotation in relation to markings on the sphere” because there would be no force to resist the kickback of the beetle’s crawling. But the earth is not a perfect sphere; it is a geoid slightly flattened at the poles by the centrifugal force of its rotation. So it spins like a fat flywheel on the short axis between the poles.
And HOW MUCH water has entered the oceans from melting glacier ice? LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS. Face it, the melting poles probably did this, but rather that, IT IS REAL AND IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. Why do I believe this, well, my own eyes do not lie but how about this....

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
It seems unthinkable, but for the first time in human history, ice is on course to disappear entirely from the North Pole this year.

That is how much ice has melted and has entered the oceans, causing axis tilt. You all say you have an understanding of Newtons laws, well, what happens to a spinning Earth when you take large amounts of mass (ice) and place it by the equator? A shift in axis tilt!

Still in denial? well, your just that stupid.

Stop playing Mr. Know-it-all and wake up or shut up. Or quit your job as a dis-informant.

here is the debunking challenge. Debunk each article that promotes Earths axis is tilting from its 'modern accepted' position. Apparently, you haven't failed so far, at least, as far as your debunking minds are concerned.

I challenge you all. If you fail....which I am confident you will....ahh heck. I think I have more then proven my point. Now prove yours beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond that which I have just presented. I dare you.

A failure to respond will be considered proof of my claims are real and yours are false, at least, thats how Menow operates. Do it, come on, this is a direct challenge.
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Menow, you are invited to a challenge,

here is the debunking challenge. Debunk each article that promotes Earths axis is tilting from its 'modern accepted' position. Apparently, you haven't failed so far, at least, as far as your debunking minds are concerned.

I challenge you all. If you fail....which I am confident you will....ahh heck. I think I have more then proven my point. Now prove yours beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond that which I have just presented. I dare you.

A failure to respond will be considered proof of my claims are real and yours are false, at least, thats how Menow operates. Do it, come on, this is a direct challenge.
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07/16/2008 06:41 PM
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I can find anything on Sundials that say they are 100 percent accurate

sundials measure "sun time" as opposed to "clock time."
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07/16/2008 06:43 PM
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OP, the hostility you get on this thread is directly proportional to the truth you are trying to expose.

You know you hit a nerve with these folks. hf
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correction...


Can't find anything on the net
Schmieder (OP)
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07/16/2008 06:45 PM
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Um... That was me. The OP had claimed that the position of Sunset(rise?) had changed by some large amount over just 24 hours(15 degrees?). THAT was what I said would cause oceans to overrun continents. I said nothing about turning Earth into a waterworld. The oceans would drain away again, obviously.
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Well, if the force that causes the rotation difference or axis tilt change had tugged on the oceans equally as much as land mass then NOTHING around us would move out of place. Everything would move in tandem. So all would appear to remain the same down here. But in reality all has shifted in sequence.
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I can find anything on Sundials that say they are 100 percent accurate

sundials measure "sun time" as opposed to "clock time."
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and every clock now a days is auto updated. How convenient. Really.

What clocks are auto updated?
cell phones
cable boxes
PC's
black berries
media outlets


Seem all to convenient to me.

Challenge, take an old quartz watch and test its time to an auto updated clock. See what you get, I have had differences up to 15 minutes so far....so far. And don't argue to accuracy of quartz, don't even try.
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OP, the hostility you get on this thread is directly proportional to the truth you are trying to expose.

You know you hit a nerve with these folks. hf
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yup, and I'm going to continue. I decided to take this issue to the bitter end. Eventually, we will all see who cracks.

To be a coward or hero.....
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Why do sundials still work perfectly?

when was the last time you looked at one?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
And do ALL hours of the sundials line up? Not just one time of the day.
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Again, your ignornace of simple subjects is astounding. Yes, they tell time all day. Here is the math behind it...

[link to plus.maths.org]

Why do sunrises at ancient monuments still occur exactly as they have since the monuments were built?

When was the last time you visited one?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
Was 12 noon the time tested? Not very conclusive if so. That is, if atmospheric gases are to blame.
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Nope, many newspapers and internet articles and blogs from those who attend those events.

How about Manhattanhenge?

When was the last time you witnessed this?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
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Nope. Tons of pictures from individuals. Go to Yahoo and search images for Manhattanhenge. There are 611 of them.


Why is the north celestial pole still exactly in the right place? You can prove this to yourself by putting a film camera on a tripod aimed at Polaris and taking a long exposure photograph.

When was the last time you did that?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
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Just a few weeks ago. Again, go to Yahoo, seach images for "Polaris" or "star circles". There are hundreds of images as I describe.

The fact that permanently polar mounted telescopes still track for long exposure photography is proof positive that the north celestial pole perfectly steady.
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Hey, Schmidley....what about your claim that bullets moving horizontally drop slower then those dropped straight down.

Do you still claim that foolishness?

And what about the date for your measurements. Why are you not telling it?
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min

I can find anything on Sundials that say they are 100 percent accurate

sundials measure "sun time" as opposed to "clock time."

and every clock now a days is auto updated. How convenient. Really.

What clocks are auto updated?
cell phones
cable boxes
PC's
black berries
media outlets


Seem all to convenient to me.

Challenge, take an old quartz watch and test its time to an auto updated clock. See what you get, I have had differences up to 15 minutes so far....so far. And don't argue to accuracy of quartz, don't even try.
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I did something similar to that a couple of yrs ago and emailed Nancy telling Her how much time was lost


To my delight I was off by 7 min. and it was around a half an hour I said was lost..can't remember the exact time.


Did the experiment already. I know whats up!
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Again, your ignornace of simple subjects is astounding. Yes, they tell time all day. Here is the math behind it...

[link to plus.maths.org]
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That is not an answer to the question asked....

Nope, many newspapers and internet articles and blogs from those who attend those events.
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About as many as those who claim the Earth has tilted further. Not proof at all.

Nope. Tons of pictures from individuals. Go to Yahoo and search images for Manhattanhenge. There are 611 of them.
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Tons of pictures of UFO's as well. Lots of pictures of bugs bunny. That doesn't make it real.

Just a few weeks ago. Again, go to Yahoo, seach images for "Polaris" or "star circles". There are hundreds of images as I describe.

The fact that permanently polar mounted telescopes still track for long exposure photography is proof positive that the north celestial pole perfectly steady.
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A few weeks ago? My observations have been within the last few weeks alone.

And if the problem is atmospheric gases (not sure yet) then Polaris proves nothing. However, I believe you can't even see Polaris from your location due to light pollution. Let alone know what star it is.


Again, all this you speak of was quoted from the Media outlets. The very same media outlets that also says the US economy is perfectly fine. Please, get real.
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I did something similar to that a couple of yrs ago and emailed Nancy telling Her how much time was lost


To my delight I was off by 7 min. and it was around a half an hour I said was lost..can't remember the exact time.


Did the experiment already. I know whats up!
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Because you actually tried to discover the truth yourself. Something these debunkers refuse to do. Either because they are ignorant or are paid to spread dis-info.

Right on Free Store! hf

bump for truth
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and every clock now a days is auto updated. How convenient. Really.

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Oh, really? How about the LCD battery alarm clock that I haven't set in two years? (and don't give me any BS about a "signal" from TPTB). It agrees with my self winding watch that I've had for 20 years that winds itself from the motion of my hand.

Best of all, how about SUNDIALS? How are they "updated". Especially when they are cast in concrete!
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A few weeks ago? My observations have been within the last few weeks alone.

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I'll ask again...what was the date?
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Hey, Schmidley....what about your claim that bullets moving horizontally drop slower then those dropped straight down.

Do you still claim that foolishness?

And what about the date for your measurements. Why are you not telling it?
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Are you for real?

Fire a round from an M-16 at the same time drop that same unshelled round from your hand and see which one hits the ground first.

Friday, June 13th was the first day I had proof it was real. Well shit, how about that. It was Friday the 13th. Haha, seems pretty auspicious to me.

Seriously...the shit is real. No question. You can not change my mind and you can not silence me, period.

My goal now is to get ride of the debunking so we can move forward and get the GOOD people of Earth ready.


Gotta run and do some errands. Will be back later.
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Someone can't read. Sundials tell Sun time not Clock time
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Hey, Schmidley....what about your claim that bullets moving horizontally drop slower then those dropped straight down.

Do you still claim that foolishness?

And what about the date for your measurements. Why are you not telling it?

Are you for real?

Fire a round from an M-16 at the same time drop that same unshelled round from your hand and see which one hits the ground first.
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This is a classic example used in Physics 101 classes. Did you not bother to read the references posted about this earlier?


Friday, June 13th was the first day I had proof it was real. Well shit, how about that. It was Friday the 13th. Haha, seems pretty auspicious to me.

Seriously...the shit is real. No question. You can not change my mind and you can not silence me, period.

My goal now is to get ride of the debunking so we can move forward and get the GOOD people of Earth ready.


Gotta run and do some errands. Will be back later.
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Good. I'll be back later with images from that day and a year before from Katcam showing no difference in position of the sun.
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WOW!! Dude you realize of course that you are TOTALLY INSANE?

You are actually AFRAID to post on some random astronomy board because you are so paranoid and you think the astronomers might "COME GET YOU"? WTF is wrong with you?

I just went and randomly checked some amateur astronomy forums. There is NOT ONE SINGLE POST ANYWHERE about ANYTHING being out of place in any way. You are retarded.

no. You have the wrong impression. I am not going to follow another's command just because they wish me to. Why don't you, they who oppose me, go nto a random astrology board and get there opinion, Hmmm?

You want the definition of crazy? It is repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results each time. As far as I'm concerned, you fellas are the crazy ones. Simply because every time a DIFFERENT person claims the same as I posts about it, you nut-case debunkers pounce on top of them like a jackal. Expecting to stop these posters each and everytime? It seems to fit the definition of crazy to me.

I am perfectly sane. I have an IQ of 157, am German Jewish/ Hopi American Indian. I have a great family, beautiful wife, 2 kids, an exceptional artistic talent, am a descent of Prussian royalty, have direct descent to the Red Baron, my grandfather assisted in developing the Me-262 and what else........oh yeah, a keen eye observing the heavens above. I watch the stars every night I get a chance to. I have been constantly observing the sun. If any one of us is an amateur astronomer it is I. What about you? Some simpleton?

None of you will ever amount to anything because you think what you are told to think. Open your eyes if it isn't to late. Until you learn how to open your mind, you will only discover what has already been discovered and die a simple mans life. Good luck! You need it.
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UMMMM....like I just said, DIPSHIT, I DID go to some random astrology boards and get "there" (their) opinion, and they all agree that YOU ARE A HUGELY RETARDED ASSHOLE. I can't believe you started this stupid shit AGAIN. Before I thought that you were just doing this to stir shit up, because it's not possible for anyone to be THIS FUCKING STUPID. Then I realized after awhile, that you are this fucking stupid. This is the only possible answer. You have a bunch of ASTRONOMERS telling you you are wrong, people with 9000 lb telescope mounts, (that's some pretty serious astronomical equipment) plus people like me, as I have posted before, I live on a BOAT with a compass, sextant, GPS, and ocean horizon conveniently available at all times. You live out in the woods somewhere, and you have a two by four and a piece of fucking string. Yet you think YOU must be right and everyone else must be wrong. THIS IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF INSANITY.

BTW, no one cares about your relationship to the Red Baron or your supposed IQ. Except that it is pretty funny that with your huge IQ you can't SPELL. Am I the only one who has a spellcheck feature? Yeah, I know, spellcheck can't tell the difference between "their" and "there" and I guess neither can you with your big brain.

If you were in the same room with me I would have punched your lights out long ago just to get you to SHUT THE FUCK UP. Stop trying to interject ideas at the grownups' table, we're talking grownup stuff here. Go outside and play. Take that 2x4 with you and stuff it up your ass.
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btw, I have prepared for several situations. Just in case any hot shot tries to silence me. Go for it, it would be the last violent act you ever make.

God Bless.
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WTF does that mean OP - are you going postal?
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h SAY IT AGAIN. I WAS RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK!!!
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How on earth does this article support your two claims which as I understand it are:

1. The Sun is rising and setting up to 20 degrees North of where it should

2. At certain times of day the Sun stops its apparent motion in the sky for periods of up to an hour at a time.

What on earth has this got to do with a 1 degree change in tilt over thousands of years?
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I see NASA observations go back that far..someone has a time machine obviously