History of Sun in wrong place

Sorry, bro, you're shot down.

says who? You, please...you don't have the right or the authority. You will not stop me. So save your fingers and stop typing this nonsense.


Look at the pictures yourself. Do YOU see 13 degrees difference, yes or no?

Sorry, but that was your claim. It is obviously wrong.

No, no 13 degree difference BUT i do see A difference. That is the debate, right?


Don't try to get out of it. YOU claimed 13 degrees.

You are simply wrong. Get over it.

O did claim 13 degrees and that is exactly what I saw. But, the debate amongst you debunkers is whether it is happening or not.

Again, don't try to put a spin on this. It only shows the desperate nature of your position.

btw, people in the northern regions would be the first to notice these effects. Agreed?

The Inuit have sounded the alarm as well...

[link to www.cbc.ca]

Nope. You've "proved" nothing. In fact, every time you post you show your ignorance of the subject even more.

Why do sundials still work perfectly?

Why do sunrises at ancient monuments still occur exactly as they have since the monuments were built?

How about Manhattanhenge?

Why is the north celestial pole still exactly in the right place? You can prove this to yourself by putting a film camera on a tripod aimed at Polaris and taking a long exposure photograph.

This is really getting funny.

What was the date of your measurements?

menow are you stating that the earth does not change its tilt?


Well, why don't you quote me where you think I am saying something you want to challenge. I have no idea what your point is. There are "changes" and there are "changes". Your question is too vague and an obvious set-up of some sort. What is YOUR point?

no set up,astronomers acknowledge that the earths tilt changes yet you disagree with the op when he says the earths tilt has changed.


Again, I ask you...do you have any idea of the scale and timeframe of these known changes in the earth's tilt? Please explain how the known changes have anything at all to do with the OP's original claim.

this is to do with your claims that if earths tilt "changed" the oceans would run riot turning us into waterworld.and before you ask ,do I have to go through all these pages again paste it?

btw, people in the northern regions would be the first to notice these effects. Agreed?

The Inuit have sounded the alarm as well...

[link to www.cbc.ca]



Perhaps you should read your own article, which shoots your claim in the foot.

"Wayne Davidson, who is the resident meteorologist in Resolute Bay, said the likely cause of this "rising sun" mystery is a temperature difference between the very cold air over the snow and the air above, which has been warmer than usual."

"Glaciologist Dr. Roy Koerner, with the Geological Survey of Canada, agreed, comparing it to sticking a fork into a glass of water: the fork appears to bend where it enters the water, he said."

"So you get the same effect: you get this bent effect. Except in this case, the sun, which is just below the horizon, looks as if it's above the horizon, just a bit of it," he said.

"Both Koerner and Davidson said they believe a warming climate is responsible. They said they hope Inuit and scientists working during International Polar Year can work together on more in-depth analysis of the observations."

I am not denying the Milankovitch cycle. I am proving the Earth axis has tilted beyond the normally accepted range into a dangerous position.



Nope. You've "proved" nothing. In fact, every time you post you show your ignorance of the subject even more.

Why do sundials still work perfectly?

Why do sunrises at ancient monuments still occur exactly as they have since the monuments were built?

How about Manhattanhenge?

Why is the north celestial pole still exactly in the right place? You can prove this to yourself by putting a film camera on a tripod aimed at Polaris and taking a long exposure photograph.

This is really getting funny.

Outside of GLP reference, no its not a GLP thing
[link to www.wesawthat.blogspot.com]


This is from the department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138, USA
[link to www.nature.com]


This is considered 'soft' proof from NASA
[link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]

It shows, moreover, that changes in climate signals can have global implications on Earth's overall rotation.

[link to www.unexplainable.net]
Earth's axis displacement to result in monstrous global changes
As the core nears the mantle of Earth, the number of earthquakes, tsunamis and volcano eruptions increases

THIS is from a NASA FUNDED RESEARCH GROUP
[link to www.spaceref.com]
Because of Earth's dynamic climate, winds and atmospheric pressure systems experience constant change. These fluctuations may affect how our planet rotates on its axis, according to NASA-funded research that used wind and satellite data.

anyone here debating whether climate change is real or not? I don't think so. These guys say the atmosphere effects earths axis. The over global temps are changing, there for, so is the Earth axis.

These guys say were long over due. So, what I am claiming, along with hundreds of thousands of others is, it is not so far fetched as YOU debunkers seem to think so. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
[link to www.cosmosmagazine.com]

Someone also said, "Professional forums were scientists debate hasn't once mentioned this axis tilt." ERRR WRONG, here is a physics forum. Plenty of talk about an axis shift.
[link to www.physicsforums.com]

[link to hennessysview.com]
If the earth were a perfect sphere, he says, it would not be stable on its axis. The “smallest beetle crawling over it would change the axis of rotation in relation to markings on the sphere” because there would be no force to resist the kickback of the beetle’s crawling. But the earth is not a perfect sphere; it is a geoid slightly flattened at the poles by the centrifugal force of its rotation. So it spins like a fat flywheel on the short axis between the poles.
And HOW MUCH water has entered the oceans from melting glacier ice? LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS. Face it, the melting poles probably did this, but rather that, IT IS REAL AND IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. Why do I believe this, well, my own eyes do not lie but how about this....

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
It seems unthinkable, but for the first time in human history, ice is on course to disappear entirely from the North Pole this year.

That is how much ice has melted and has entered the oceans, causing axis tilt. You all say you have an understanding of Newtons laws, well, what happens to a spinning Earth when you take large amounts of mass (ice) and place it by the equator? A shift in axis tilt!

Still in denial? well, your just that stupid.

Stop playing Mr. Know-it-all and wake up or shut up. Or quit your job as a dis-informant.

here is the debunking challenge. Debunk each article that promotes Earths axis is tilting from its 'modern accepted' position. Apparently, you haven't failed so far, at least, as far as your debunking minds are concerned.

I challenge you all. If you fail....which I am confident you will....ahh heck. I think I have more then proven my point. Now prove yours beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond that which I have just presented. I dare you.

A failure to respond will be considered proof of my claims are real and yours are false, at least, thats how Menow operates. Do it, come on, this is a direct challenge.

Um... That was me. The OP had claimed that the position of Sunset(rise?) had changed by some large amount over just 24 hours(15 degrees?). THAT was what I said would cause oceans to overrun continents. I said nothing about turning Earth into a waterworld. The oceans would drain away again, obviously.

I can find anything on Sundials that say they are 100 percent accurate

sundials measure "sun time" as opposed to "clock time."

OP, the hostility you get on this thread is directly proportional to the truth you are trying to expose.

You know you hit a nerve with these folks.

Why do sundials still work perfectly?

when was the last time you looked at one?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
And do ALL hours of the sundials line up? Not just one time of the day.

Why do sunrises at ancient monuments still occur exactly as they have since the monuments were built?

When was the last time you visited one?
And/or, was this info provided via television?
Was 12 noon the time tested? Not very conclusive if so. That is, if atmospheric gases are to blame.

How about Manhattanhenge?

When was the last time you witnessed this?
And/or, was this info provided via television?

Why is the north celestial pole still exactly in the right place? You can prove this to yourself by putting a film camera on a tripod aimed at Polaris and taking a long exposure photograph.

When was the last time you did that?
And/or, was this info provided via television?

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I can find anything on Sundials that say they are 100 percent accurate

sundials measure "sun time" as opposed to "clock time."

and every clock now a days is auto updated. How convenient. Really.

What clocks are auto updated?
cell phones
cable boxes
PC's
black berries
media outlets


Seem all to convenient to me.

Challenge, take an old quartz watch and test its time to an auto updated clock. See what you get, I have had differences up to 15 minutes so far....so far. And don't argue to accuracy of quartz, don't even try.

Again, your ignornace of simple subjects is astounding. Yes, they tell time all day. Here is the math behind it...

[link to plus.maths.org]

Nope, many newspapers and internet articles and blogs from those who attend those events.

Nope. Tons of pictures from individuals. Go to Yahoo and search images for Manhattanhenge. There are 611 of them.

Just a few weeks ago. Again, go to Yahoo, seach images for "Polaris" or "star circles". There are hundreds of images as I describe.

The fact that permanently polar mounted telescopes still track for long exposure photography is proof positive that the north celestial pole perfectly steady.

I did something similar to that a couple of yrs ago and emailed Nancy telling Her how much time was lost


To my delight I was off by 7 min. and it was around a half an hour I said was lost..can't remember the exact time.


Did the experiment already. I know whats up!

and every clock now a days is auto updated. How convenient. Really.

A few weeks ago? My observations have been within the last few weeks alone.

Hey, Schmidley....what about your claim that bullets moving horizontally drop slower then those dropped straight down.

Do you still claim that foolishness?

And what about the date for your measurements. Why are you not telling it?

Hey, Schmidley....what about your claim that bullets moving horizontally drop slower then those dropped straight down.

Do you still claim that foolishness?

And what about the date for your measurements. Why are you not telling it?

Are you for real?

Fire a round from an M-16 at the same time drop that same unshelled round from your hand and see which one hits the ground first.

Friday, June 13th was the first day I had proof it was real. Well shit, how about that. It was Friday the 13th. Haha, seems pretty auspicious to me.

Seriously...the shit is real. No question. You can not change my mind and you can not silence me, period.

My goal now is to get ride of the debunking so we can move forward and get the GOOD people of Earth ready.


Gotta run and do some errands. Will be back later.

WOW!! Dude you realize of course that you are TOTALLY INSANE?

You are actually AFRAID to post on some random astronomy board because you are so paranoid and you think the astronomers might "COME GET YOU"? WTF is wrong with you?

I just went and randomly checked some amateur astronomy forums. There is NOT ONE SINGLE POST ANYWHERE about ANYTHING being out of place in any way. You are retarded.

no. You have the wrong impression. I am not going to follow another's command just because they wish me to. Why don't you, they who oppose me, go nto a random astrology board and get there opinion, Hmmm?

You want the definition of crazy? It is repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results each time. As far as I'm concerned, you fellas are the crazy ones. Simply because every time a DIFFERENT person claims the same as I posts about it, you nut-case debunkers pounce on top of them like a jackal. Expecting to stop these posters each and everytime? It seems to fit the definition of crazy to me.

I am perfectly sane. I have an IQ of 157, am German Jewish/ Hopi American Indian. I have a great family, beautiful wife, 2 kids, an exceptional artistic talent, am a descent of Prussian royalty, have direct descent to the Red Baron, my grandfather assisted in developing the Me-262 and what else........oh yeah, a keen eye observing the heavens above. I watch the stars every night I get a chance to. I have been constantly observing the sun. If any one of us is an amateur astronomer it is I. What about you? Some simpleton?

None of you will ever amount to anything because you think what you are told to think. Open your eyes if it isn't to late. Until you learn how to open your mind, you will only discover what has already been discovered and die a simple mans life. Good luck! You need it.

btw, I have prepared for several situations. Just in case any hot shot tries to silence me. Go for it, it would be the last violent act you ever make.

God Bless.

h SAY IT AGAIN. I WAS RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK!!!