The Many Incarnations of Christ?

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Hey Anti-Christ. I've always liked that smiley.
Though, I must say, I don't truly believe you're an anti-christ. I simply think you hate the "christian" ideal of Christ and organized church.

Am I wrong?

No I don't hate anything. LOL I wrote a book about the antichrist I found alot of clues left behind that he will be the actual messiah or christ. Anti also means in place of. The symbol of the trinity is actually celtic/pagan. but the cristians overlapped many of their beliefs and ritual with ancient pagan rituals and traditions.
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IMHO, it may be a waste of time/life to be speculating on things such as religion, god(s), etc.. because I personally believe that we don't know the clear truth when it comes to "gods" for a good reason. We'll eventually find out the truth anyway, so why bother spending time researching it? Of course, unless you have had experiences such as an NDE, then I think it's worthy.

Otherwise, why would the average human being want to ponder about supernatural entities? I say: Just live and forget all that bullshit. Christ AFAIK was just a man who preached. The reason his teachings and his name still exist today, I think partially has to do with TPTBs appetite for control, division, etc.

Ignore it, and it goes away.

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Anyone seen Spectrum Blue lately?

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Oh yes. I've been learning alot about christianity and paganism.

I do believe in Christ myself. And Christ once said that we too can do what He has done. The Christ like consciousness is something all of us can achieve and many great people already have.

Yes, all of us have the potential to be like Christ, who is considered a God to many christians.


And to other dude who doesn't want me to think about this "bull shit": I love to speculate. I have a curious mind as well as a philosophical one.

For me, thinking about different religions and speculating on the spirituality of it all is fun for me.

In other words, chill and let me have my fun. :nekowink:

From a Google cache (search "Cloise Orand"):

Violent Crime Victim Turns Life Around

Cloise Orand is a business owner and now has written a novel.
By TRAVIS BAKER, [email protected]
October 9, 2005

Port Orchard -- Youthful Port Orchard businessman Cloise Orand doesn't remember the hours he spent on the operating table in 1987, being sewn back together as one of three victims of one of Kitsap County's most grisly crimes.

For that matter, he doesn't remember being found by police and medical rescuers, near death in a clearing near Dickey Road in Central Kitsap where he and two girls had been brutalized by Daniel Yates, a Bremerton tattoo artist now serving a 60-year sentence in an out-of-state prison for the attacks.

Orand's tongue nearly had been cut out and his cheeks slit outward from the corners of his mouth. He'd been shot once in the back and sexually assaulted.

He was 13, a runaway who had been living in vacant houses he and the two girls — also runaways — would break into. One girl died two months later of injuries suffered that day. The other's throat was slashed, but like Orand, she survived.

Orand, now 31 and the owner of four businesses, says the attack is "something I actually left back then and never really dwelled on."

Yet he recreates the violent Sept. 17, 1987, attack in nearly exact detail in a science fiction novel he has written and hopes to have made into a movie.

His main character, Mabus, the unfairly vilified Antichrist, is about his age and shares many of Orand's life experiences. But in the novel, he is the only victim of the brutal attack. The girls aren't mentioned.

Called "The Antichrist, Version 666," the novel is due out soon, at $24.95 a copy.

Orand was an unlikely candidate to be a business success or an author in his younger days.

Even after being nearly murdered by the man who picked up him and the girls up hitchhiking, he went back to the life of a runaway. He also resumed his Navy Yard City paper route for this newspaper as something of an inadvertent celebrity.

"The tips were good after that," he said. "I'd start with a bag of papers and come home with a bag of presents."

He made prosecutors nervous as a key witness in a murder trial because his whereabouts were never certain.

But he did testify, with the same detachment with which he still tells the story, detailing the atrocities committed against him matter-of-factly.

As an adult, Orand became a valued worker in the rough-and-tumble world of roofing but still lived life on the ragged edge.

In the midst of a custody battle with the mother of his two oldest children, "I was going out a lot, clubs and what not," he said. "Despite a decent income, it was spent before I got my check, I was in serious debt, using marijuana and alcohol.

"I had a box of comics and sleeping bag to my name, I was living on friends' couches.

"About eight years ago, I realized I was good at making poor choices. When my mind tells me I want to do it, it's probably the wrong choice and if it required discipline and integrity, that's probably the path I should take. So rather than blaming everybody else for my outcome, it was time I started making better choices."

He and Mike Holbrook left the Hanley Construction roofing crew and formed their own business, later adding Tom Cowan as an owner. Orand says he also has formed two property management firms to handle rentals as well as Port Orchard Publishing, which is publishing "The Antichrist, Version 666."

His wife, Michelle, played a key role in his reclamation, giving him reason to stay home and out of clubs, he said.

"She was a bit of a challenge to court," he said.

Until recently, Orand had become something of an absentee owner of Cloise and Mike Construction, which mostly does roofing jobs. Its bright yellow trucks are a fixture in downtown Port Orchard.

He was spending most of his days at home with Michelle, baby Savannah, 3-year-old Alexander, and, on weekends and in the summer, 11-year-old twins Stefan and Christopher. He watched a lot of the Discovery and Science channels, spent time online and read science magazines.

But the Mike in Cloise and Mike left the company Friday to start his own business, Orand said, so he's back at it full time.

You know I think that God gives His spirit to many who follow Him regardless of their religion of choice. Many people are obedient to His will, even if they are Budhist or Islamic.

So, that may give the appearance of several incarnations of Christ. I guess each person that operates with morality has some Divine essence in them.

But I don't think these spiritual masters were Christ, but I do think they were following Divine teachings and had Divine spirit in them.

many incarnations.

Wow, that is truly an amazing story. I am going to have to read the book now.
Did you know that in the gnostic gospels, 666 is thought to be the sign of the Sun/Son? I do believe that pagan symbols have been unnessicarily villainized.



Wow, thank you for that thought, Neptune. I always thought that God never cared what religion or lack of religion a person was, as long as they followed Him.

And your last sentence is certainly something to think about. It does make sense. Thanks again for your words of wisdom.

[link to www.antichristversion666.com]

Here's a link to my website but I could send you a free autographed copy!

PROLOGUE

Many world cultures are based on a cycle of birth, destruction, and rebirth. The symbol of the Ouroboros, a serpent or dragon swallowing its own tail, has existed since the dawn of civilization. Yet no one is completely sure where it comes from. We only know that it signifies eternity. The ancient Mayan Sacred Calendar places Earth in a final cycle of life that will end near the winter solstice of 2012 AD. Many other civilizations and faiths maintain a belief in reincarnation, continuous birth, and return. Only three world religions use the concept of linear time instead of cyclical time: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

What if we have all lived the same lives and done the same things countless times? What if the world is trapped within a bubble in time where everyone is doomed to repeat the same actions over and over again? Would worldwide religions and governments want you to know about this, or would there be a monumental conspiracy to cover it all up?

Some people currently think that the illuminati, a highly secretive group-believd by many to be a wayward branch of the Society of Freemasons-is responsible for such a conspiracy. They believe that the Illuminati have infiltrated every branch of government, including NASA and all of its work, and every religion on the face of the planet. It is said that Fatalism, the religion doctrine of a preordained and immutable future, is being used to control our hearts, minds and spirits. Religion is being used to keep us unaware of what is really happening in order to maintain a power structure of the elite ruling over us until our deaths, and possibly until the death of the entire world.

This book explores the possibility that life as we know it is going to end on December 27th of the year 2012 AD, as outlined by the ancient Mayan culture of central Mexico. Their most sacred and accurate calendar, Tzolk'in, which is based on the 26,000-year cycle of the Pleiades, states that thirteen cycles of 400 Mayan years will pass before the calendar ends. it begins in 3114 BC on august 1st ( roughly 3750 BC in "our" calendar), which is very near the time of creation as perceived by the Jews.

If you count every century as a single "day" as some Biblical scholars do, the world's first day could have begun with the century of 3700 BC, and on the last day, or day of completion, would have been the century of 3100 BC. This juxtaposition seems to be much more than coincidental. However, these are merely calendar estimates concerning Biblical Creationism, and as most scientists now know, our world is much older than that.

In fact, this book relates to a time line that is an endless cycle beginning roughly 1,000,000,000 years ago, before the first appearance of mankind. This cycle has no real beginning or absolute end, and thus is a manifestation of the Ouroboros-the snake/dragon swallowing it's own tail and perpetually manifesting an infinite and eternal universe. It culminates in the year 2012 AD, when the earth is hit by a giant asteroid and is changed forever, slowly turning into an uninhabitable, frozen orb which eventually becomes the planet Mars. Before this happens, a group of intrepid, technologically advanced people known as Antis, led by the actual Antichrist, must travel back in time to the planet Venus, to begin life anew and to perpetuate an eternal cycle which will keep mankind forever evolving and alive indefinitely.

We have much established research pinpointing the Cydonia region of Mars as corresponding to the Giza region of Egypt, where the five Great Pyramids reside. On mars lie the ruins of incredibly similar structures that are obviously artificial, as they encompass many straight lines and right angles that cannot be formed though natural means. These structures, along with the famous "Martian Face"- which, remarkably, appears to be the crumbled ruins of the Egyptian Sphinx-pointedly correspond almost exactly to the Great Pyramids of Egypt.This validates a current scientific theory, postulated and detailed in this book, that Mars is indeed the planet Earth in the not-too-distant future. If this is so, then the planet Venus, Known to the Romans as Lucifer, or morning star, must also be Earth in it's distant past.We have found much Scientific evidence indicating the potential validity of this remarkable theory.

We propose now to show you an entirely realistic history within this book, based on hundreds of hours of solid current scientific research and factual data from a wide variety of interrelated and extremely credible resources. We suggest that the proposed Antichrist of the Bible will appear very soon in our times and establish a New World Order, fulfill many of the soundest Biblical prophecies. Then he will leave in a spaceship with twelve people of his eternal destiny, known as Antis, to begin life anew on Venus just before the predicted cataclysm engulfs our forewarned but doomed planet on December 27th of the year2012 AD.

Dont fall for the masonic lies

Nothing preexists the Creator God who was made flesh in the historically real Jesus.

Most first century historians record a very real Jesus, including those in the Bible.


There are however lies in the textbooks, caveman, billions of years, big bang, ect.

Anti-Christ, your site has been bookmarked and I would love an autographed copy. ^.^

Your prologue certainly does pull me in and makes me want to read even more.
Your mind and personality intrigues me. I like intelligent people who are knowledgeable about different religions and their pasts.

Most people SERIOUSLY confuse 'Christ' with 'Messiah'.

Christ, or Christos, simply means 'anointed', or special to god. It's Greek, and MANY religious figures from various religious creeds can and do qualify as Christos (IF you believe religious tracts of those religions).

The Messiah, on the other hand, is specific to Judaism, per Old Testment prophecy, and Jesus did NOT fulfill those prophecies, as he did NOT lead the Jews in a revolt against the Romans OR anyone else.




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Interesting,I would like to read it.

Times shows to be towards the second coming of Christ.

There will be a resurrection of the saints where they return to heaven with Christ for a thousand years before returning to bring judgement at the second resurrection and second death of the wicked, like the op.

Blessed are they who have no part in the second death, but go into eternity.

I have read that it wasn't until Jesus' death, resurrection, and assention that people added on Christ as His title.

What you're saying also makes sense. I do wonder if Jesus may have hinted at there being others like Him, just as He had hinted at us having the potential to be like unto Him. Otherwise known as having the Christ-like consciousness.

Reincarnation newage bs.

Christianity? Which one? Catholicism?


And the Mayan calendar says no such thing.


[link to ambergriscaye.com]
HISTORY OF THE DECIPHERING OF MAYA HIEROGLYPHS

In 1862 the Abbe Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, came across an abridged version of De Landa's manuscript "Relacion de las Cosas de Yucatan" which had "the names of the days in the 260 day calendar and the names of the months in the approximate solar year of 365 appeared with their appropriate hieroglyphs" (Coe 1992: 101). De Landa explained how the Maya writing system worked. In his book Breaking the Maya Code (1992), Michael Coe refers to De Landa's manuscript as "the true Rosetta Stone for the decipherment of the Maya hierorlyphic writing" (p.100, Source: Coe, Michael D.Hudson, 1992: 105). Breaking the Maya Code Thames and Hudson,1992:105).

THE CALENDRICAL SYSTEM

In 1880, Ernst Forstemann, a royal librarian at Dresden, began studying the Maya hieroglyphs in the surviving codices (books written on bark-paper, of which the Dresden Codex is the most famous) and in the few inscribed monuments known at the time. In 14 years Forstermann deciphered the workings of the Maya calendar. He demonstrated that the calendar is based on paired cycles of 260 days and 365 days. The date is commonly expressed by noting its position in both the 260 and 365 day cycle. Because this combination repeats itself every 52 years the Maya chroniclers recorded a "date's position in a more precise long count, I a linear reckoning whose starting point is the year 3114 B.C." (Stuart & Houston 1989: 84).

I'm sorry 'Spectrum', but I watched the video feed in your first post, and while finding it very interesting; I also saw many flaws by the orator.

And I don't quite get it: His last statement essentially says, "if Christians can call Jesus the son of God, so can He...", well yea, but..............a lie is still a lie, no matter how many times its changed!

For example: Jesus wasn't born Dec 25th.......His birth date was in Aug........and He wasn't resurrected, cause He didn't die. As for being the "son of God": well, He was exalted to that status by men, so that they could worship him more feverishly.

Well, you see what I mean? I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but somewhere along the line, the truth has to come out!



Come out, come out, where-ever-you-are!!!

I simply posted the video because it showed different deities and extraordinary humans with the same sort of life as Jesus.

I'd give my own take on it all, but then I'd also be opening a can of worms.
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Agreed, Blue...




Personally, I think Christ was actually a Buddhist ;)

Yea but I'd love to hear it anyway! :)

When you're ready.....

Zeitgeist refuted goes thru the claims one-by-one and they all arose after Christ. They are the copy cats, by masonic authors.

google it!

there is no other Christ other than yeshua. the beginning and the end. seriously.

If you do want a free copy you can pm me or shoot me an email at [email protected]!

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Krishna, Horus, Dionysis, the celtic dude and a few others I can't remember came way before Christ. They even came before King Solomon ordered temples built thus creating the masonic order.

And other nicer AC, I will share my own take on it. I'm sure the intelligent ones who google like crazy can find many flaws in my theory, but oh well. I suppose that's life.

Back in the day, prophets had this habit of wandering to different regions and talking about God and what God wants and also they taught about Jesus. These different cultures accepted these teachings and mixed them in with their own culture, language, and other teachings.

This is why Krishna, Horus, Dionysis and the others all seemed to have the same life and death as Jesus Himself.
They are Jesus but with different names.

Anyway, that's my view, though Neptune's and the other dude's explainations seem to make more sense.

And no one can truly say that what they've been taught or what they believe is the absolute truth. After all, we weren't there and cannot say for certain.
But honestly, it's still fun to speculate.

Krishna - has no similarity to Jesus, only claims that arose after the very real Jesus.
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Horus - has no similarity to Jesus, only claims that arose after the very real Jesus.
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Dionysis - has no similarity to Jesus, only claims that arose after the very real Jesus.
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and really, that is how the kabbalist work, by counterfiting

Freemasonry did not exist before 1717AD. The Sunworshipping kabbalistic religion from the Knights Templars did.
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Zeitgeist - Spirit of The Age Refuted

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90 minutes spent refuting and exposing the false claims made in the first third of Zeitgeist, other films like Da Vinci Code and sourced authors named including Acharya S and others.

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